Potential sleepers

[jmnvcavs]

I follow a lot of mountain west basketball and look at out for Cameron Oliver freshman out of Nevada. Freak athlete with a pretty good looking stroke from midrange pretty good shot blocker. Only a freshman... He will probably stay this year, but he looks to definitely be on track to be a first rounder in a year or two. He's number 5 and 2 in the video. Nevada also has former NBA coach Eric Musselman at the helm who is a pretty good talent developer.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgcD1kBp6M8[/youtube]

[jmnvcavs]

I like Stefan Jankovic from Hawaii a lot. Moves really well for a guy his size. Though he's a junior and not likely declaring.

Hawaii has three players with near NBA talent: Jankovic, Aaron Valdes, and their IMO best player, Roderick Bobbitt.

Bobbitt is IMO every bit as good as former Big West player Ramon Sessions.

Ramon Sessions was not a Big West player. He played in the WAC when he played for Nevada. Sessions was a good college player, but when he was in college he was the 3rd or 4th best player on his team. When he jumped to the NBA nobody thought he would do as well as he did now, but he really developed more of an offensive game when he came to the pros.

[teamjosh04]

Most of these guys won't even think about entering the the draft this year, but here's a list I've put together of deep sleepers. Tried to avoid including guys currently getting draft love (and I know there's quite a few repeats from this thread):

Donovan Mitchell
Chinanu Onuaku
Taurean Waller-Prince
Ben Bentil
Dillon Brooks
Damion Lee
Moses Kingsley
Dwayne Bacon
Jalen Adams
Malik Beasley
Justin Bibbs
Abdul Malik-Abu
Donte Grantham
Patricio Garino
Jawun Evans
Ryan Spangler
Josh Hart
Trevon Bluiett
Yankuba Sima
Jessie Govan
Duncan Robinson
Jae’Sean Tate
Egidijus Mockivicius
Ron Baker
Patrick McCaw
Derrick Jones
Thomas Welsh
Marquesse Chriss
Chimezie Metu

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I like Stefan Jankovic from Hawaii a lot. Moves really well for a guy his size. Though he's a junior and not likely declaring.

Hawaii has three players with near NBA talent: Jankovic, Aaron Valdes, and their IMO best player, Roderick Bobbitt.

Bobbitt is IMO every bit as good as former Big West player Ramon Sessions.

Ramon Sessions was not a Big West player. He played in the WAC when he played for Nevada. Sessions was a good college player, but when he was in college he was the 3rd or 4th best player on his team. When he jumped to the NBA nobody thought he would do as well as he did now, but he really developed more of an offensive game when he came to the pros.

jmnvcavs, thanks for correcting. HAWAII was also in the WAC then. I saw Sessions live when Nevada played UH.

[Dr Positivity]

Ron Baker and David Walker - Don't be surprised if they find themselves shooting 3s in the NBA

[Coeur]

I follow a lot of mountain west basketball and look at out for Cameron Oliver freshman out of Nevada. Freak athlete with a pretty good looking stroke from midrange pretty good shot blocker. Only a freshman... He will probably stay this year, but he looks to definitely be on track to be a first rounder in a year or two. He's number 5 and 2 in the video. Nevada also has former NBA coach Eric Musselman at the helm who is a pretty good talent developer.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgcD1kBp6M8[/youtube]

Josh Adams is a freak. Can't figure out why he isn't on the radar.

[Ruzious]

Josh Adams is a freak. Can't figure out why he isn't on the radar.

Well, he's 6'2, and it's hard to see him playing the point when he has more turnovers than assists - and that's as a 22 year old senior. Otoh, anyone averaging 10 FTA's per game should get a look - though the red flag there is he never averaged even 5 before this season. And he's not a high percentage shooter.

[Coeur]

Josh Adams is a freak. Can't figure out why he isn't on the radar.

Well, he's 6'2, and it's hard to see him playing the point when he has more turnovers than assists - and that's as a 22 year old senior. Otoh, anyone averaging 10 FTA's per game should get a look - though the red flag there is he never averaged even 5 before this season. And he's not a high percentage shooter.

I guess that all makes sense. But are there really that many guys with that level of athleticism where it comes down to stats.

I think he will play pg just fine. A lot of NBA point guards were college wings. I think he will be able to defend as well and has shown the strength and ability to defend big wing players down to point guards.

[Coeur]

I follow a lot of mountain west basketball and look at out for Cameron Oliver freshman out of Nevada. Freak athlete with a pretty good looking stroke from midrange pretty good shot blocker. Only a freshman... He will probably stay this year, but he looks to definitely be on track to be a first rounder in a year or two. He's number 5 and 2 in the video. Nevada also has former NBA coach Eric Musselman at the helm who is a pretty good talent developer.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgcD1kBp6M8[/youtube]

Any chance Oliver could develop into an NBA 3? He'd have a ton of physical advantages at that spot and at the 4 he'd be undersized by actual 4's though it seems many think more teams will play 3's at the 4

[jmnvcavs]

I follow a lot of mountain west basketball and look at out for Cameron Oliver freshman out of Nevada. Freak athlete with a pretty good looking stroke from midrange pretty good shot blocker. Only a freshman... He will probably stay this year, but he looks to definitely be on track to be a first rounder in a year or two. He's number 5 and 2 in the video. Nevada also has former NBA coach Eric Musselman at the helm who is a pretty good talent developer.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgcD1kBp6M8[/youtube]

Any chance Oliver could develop into an NBA 3? He'd have a ton of physical advantages at that spot and at the 4 he'd be undersized by actual 4's though it seems many think more teams will play 3's at the 4

Defensively he wouldn't have a problem defending either position... He is very strong for his age at a solid 225 and still building on that, but offensively he would need to improve his handle / range in the off season to be able to play the 3 offensively. If I had to give him a current NBA comparison his game kind of resembles Josh Smith a bit. I expect him to stay in school for another year, but it'll be interesting to see how Eric Musselman helps develop him in the off season.

[No-Man]

Tyler Ulis is too good, dunno where he will get picked, but I have no doubt about selecting him top20, even lotto if you need a PG.

[janmagn]

Tyler Ulis is too good, dunno where he will get picked, but I have no doubt about selecting him top20, even lotto if you need a PG.

I think his lack of size makes him a late 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder and will be a huge steal

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[Onus]

Really like Chinanu Onuaku.

What's everyone else's thoughts on him ?

[janmagn]

Really like Chinanu Onuaku.

What's everyone else's thoughts on him ?

He looks like a good player, has nice measurments, but is kinda of a tweener. He is a center in power forwards body. He is shooting only 58% from the line, and shooting only 2 free throws per game. I think he is a 2nd rounder and Draftexpress has him right there

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[Onus]

Really like Chinanu Onuaku.

What's everyone else's thoughts on him ?

He looks like a good player, has nice measurments, but is kinda of a tweener. He is a center in power forwards body. He is shooting only 58% from the line, and shooting only 2 free throws per game. I think he is a 2nd rounder and Draftexpress has him right there

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I love his defensive potential, but agree that he may be undersized to be a starting center. Though his reach is adequate around 9'2".
Also love that he's willing to shoot underhand fts shows a lack of ego and willing to do anything to help improve his game and the team.

[janmagn]

Really like Chinanu Onuaku.

What's everyone else's thoughts on him ?

He looks like a good player, has nice measurments, but is kinda of a tweener. He is a center in power forwards body. He is shooting only 58% from the line, and shooting only 2 free throws per game. I think he is a 2nd rounder and Draftexpress has him right there

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I love his defensive potential, but agree that he may be undersized to be a starting center. Though his reach is adequate around 9'2".
Also love that he's willing to shoot underhand fts shows a lack of ego and willing to do anything to help improve his game and the team.

Has he used underhand in-game yet?

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[EMG518]

Tyler Ulis is too good, dunno where he will get picked, but I have no doubt about selecting him top20, even lotto if you need a PG.

That is exactly what teams are looking for in the lottery, a 5'9" 160lb point guard. Common man, I like to think people here are learning and getting better at this but you are still making these outlandish claims after all this time.

[No-Man]

Tyler Ulis is too good, dunno where he will get picked, but I have no doubt about selecting him top20, even lotto if you need a PG.

That is exactly what teams are looking for in the lottery, a 5'9" 160lb point guard. Common man, I like to think people here are learning and getting better at this but you are still making these outlandish claims after all this time.

Seriously watch him play and stop this nonsense, your scope is completely off, I mean you are on board with picking Buddy Hield top5, so...
Ulis is quick, feisty, athletic, he is an offense leader that has no fear and plays defense, big difference from other smallish guys like IThomas or ISmith.
He is going to get a spot in the league for sure, he is a mini-Conley.

[EMG518]

Tyler Ulis is too good, dunno where he will get picked, but I have no doubt about selecting him top20, even lotto if you need a PG.

That is exactly what teams are looking for in the lottery, a 5'9" 160lb point guard. Common man, I like to think people here are learning and getting better at this but you are still making these outlandish claims after all this time.

Seriously watch him play and stop this nonsense, your scope is completely off, I mean you are on board with picking Buddy Hield top5, so...
Ulis is quick, feisty, athletic, he is an offense leader that has no fear and plays defense, big difference from other smallish guys like IThomas or ISmith.
He is going to get a spot in the league for sure, he is a mini-Conley.

Buddy Hield potentially going top 5 is more of a testament to this draft than anything else. Having an actual nba body, being able to play defense, and being one of the best shooters in the draft doesnt hurt though.

I have seen Ulis play plenty, he wont be in the league. Isaiah Thomas and Ish Smith are a blurr compared to Ulis on the court, not to mention bigger.

[No-Man]

Ulis can play D, the only thing you are seeing is 5'9 and you are not even trying, he is a 1st round prospect in this Draft hands down.
Buddy Hield going top5 is a testament of people been lazy in terms of scouting or looking for prospects, there are easily 15 prospects better than him, and he is on par with 5-10 more, and I am only talking about the obvious calls.
But again, we are talking about people that barely consider international prospects in a draft that could've up to 15 international guys in the top40, so of course you are considering Hield in the top5.