Official Draft Thread 2015-16

[SirTankalot]

IMO Ingram is closer to Durant than Simmons is to LeBron, considering those are the comparables I'm seeing.

Simmons is a rich man's Lamar Odom.

[Pacino62]

IMO Ingram is closer to Durant than Simmons is to LeBron, considering those are the comparables I'm seeing.

Simmons is a rich man's Lamar Odom.

Not sure if I agree entirely, but...a rich man's prime Odom without the external issues...

[Gomes3PC]

Odom in his prime was a borderline superstar. A 9-10 win player. Certainly good enough to be the 3rd-best guy on a title team. So if Simmons is better than that, you're effectively saying he can be one of your two centerpieces to a title contender.

[Crossy2008]

IMO Ingram is closer to Durant than Simmons is to LeBron, considering those are the comparables I'm seeing.

Simmons is a rich man's Lamar Odom.

Yeah, he would go to those fancy whore houses, and not go to the cheap ones.

I can actually see the comparisons to Lebron. Drives hard to the basket and finishes at a good rate. Doesn't have an outside shot. Simmons is probably the better passer. But, Lebrons athleticism was off the charts. Player comparisons are a fairly useless thing to look at. According to some sites, this year's draft has future allstars deep into the first round if we go by future comparisons.

At number 18 hoopshabit.com has Cheik Diallo compared to Shawn Kemp and Kenyon Martin. And people said this was going to be a weak draft.

At 20 they have Caris LaVert compared to Tracy McGrady and Joe Johnson.

Melo Trimble at 24 is Sam Cassell and Jameer Nelson

Malik Newman maybe the best at 29 with comparisons of Kyrie Irving and Monta Ellis.

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/02/12/nba-mock-draft-2016-pro-comparisons-for-top-30-prospects/

[Gomes3PC]

Simmons is a true PF, whereas what makes Lebron great is he is quick enough to blow by NBA SFs. Simmons doesn't have that gear in him, but he's a heck of a talent.

Trimble to me is basically a poor man's D'Angelo Russell, which in the 20's is a fine pick. Not sure what role he has on this roster barring Danny trading off multiple guards, but a lot of time between now and the draft.

For those picks in the 18-25 range, I like Deyonta Davis (super bouncy PF/C - Zeller replacement), Valentine (SG/SF - see some Turner in him), Sabonis (super smooth, love the lefties - think he will develop a 3 in the NBA), and Thomas Bryant (potential Sully replacement).

Sabonis especially intrigues me. Great bloodlines, just a really smooth athlete. His jumper hasn't been extended yet, but a year in the D-League and I think he can start to flash it like Mickey. Not to continue the comparison to current Cs players, but he has a similar body/frame/game to Jerebko, albeit a better interior scorer and I am more projecting the 3 point shooting than anything.

[Homerclease]

Simmons is a true PF, whereas what makes Lebron great is he is quick enough to blow by NBA SFs. Simmons doesn't have that gear in him, but he's a heck of a talent.

Trimble to me is basically a poor man's D'Angelo Russell, which in the 20's is a fine pick. Not sure what role he has on this roster barring Danny trading off multiple guards, but a lot of time between now and the draft.

For those picks in the 18-25 range, I like Deyonta Davis (super bouncy PF/C - Zeller replacement), Valentine (SG/SF - see some Turner in him), Sabonis (super smooth, love the lefties - think he will develop a 3 in the NBA), and Thomas Bryant (potential Sully replacement).

Sabonis especially intrigues me. Great bloodlines, just a really smooth athlete. His jumper hasn't been extended yet, but a year in the D-League and I think he can start to flash it like Mickey. Not to continue the comparison to current Cs players, but he has a similar body/frame/game to Jerebko, albeit a better interior scorer and I am more projecting the 3 point shooting than anything.

If Davis declares I don't think he falls out of the lotto sadly

[Gomes3PC]

I tend to agree, but if he winds up in the 10-14 range, we may be able to do something like Mavs/Cs 1st + Philly 2nd to move up and get him. Some team like Sacto, Washington or Houston could definitely look at those three picks and decide it makes better sense to bet on three picks in a deep draft than one up in the late lotto.

[Homerclease]

I tend to agree, but if he winds up in the 10-14 range, we may be able to do something like Mavs/Cs 1st + Philly 2nd to move up and get him. Some team like Sacto, Washington or Houston could definitely look at those three picks and decide it makes better sense to bet on three picks in a deep draft than one up in the late lotto.

Agreed, one of Stone, Davis, Poeltl or Rabb is going to be there in the late lotto and I'm all for moving up to get any of them

[SirTankalot]

Odom in his prime was a borderline superstar. A 9-10 win player. Certainly good enough to be the 3rd-best guy on a title team. So if Simmons is better than that, you're effectively saying he can be one of your two centerpieces to a title contender.

Correct. Simmons is more athletic, explosive, and stronger than Odom with the same game in an era with skilled big guys can dominate.

[Gomes3PC]

As a comparison, per-40 as freshmen:

Myles Turner - 18.3/11.8/4.7 on 46%/84% FG/FT
Deyonta Davis - 16.9/12.5/4.4 on 62%/60% FG/FT
Diamond Stone - 23.0/9.7/3.0 on 57%/78% FG/FT
Thomas Bryant - 21.4/10.2/1.9 on 69%/68% FG/FT

[Jstock12]

IMO Ingram is closer to Durant than Simmons is to LeBron, considering those are the comparables I'm seeing.

Simmons is a rich man's Lamar Odom.

Not sure if I agree entirely, but...a rich man's prime Odom without the external issues...

It's weird because a rich man's Odom = LeBron, more or less.

[DoubleHappiness]

All these weird Simmons comps.

Oden was a legit center, a very large and gifted human being who could reach very high. And as much as I love me some NBA draft net, LBJ is a bad comparison.

[Pacino62]

All these weird Simmons comps.

Oden was a legit center, a very large and gifted human being who could reach very high. And as much as I love me some NBA draft net, LBJ is a bad comparison.

Who compared him to Oden?

[Wes-J]

Why on earth are the Nets taking so long to hire a GM?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Ben Simmons is incredibly unique, he really doesn't really have a good comp. He's an elite rebounder, a great passer with elite vision and is elite at drawing contact and getting to the line. He can't really shoot, which hinders his ability to score, yet he's surprisingly good at shooting free throws.

I'd be shocked if he couldn't come in to this team next year and average 14-11-4.

[165bows]

Ben Simmons is incredibly unique, he really doesn't really have a good comp. He's an elite rebounder, a great passer with elite vision and is elite at drawing contact and getting to the line. He can't really shoot, which hinders his ability to score, yet he's surprisingly good at shooting free throws.

I'd be shocked if he couldn't come in to this team next year and average 14-11-4.

Schmitz had a bunch of comps with video to compare Simmons, including Blake Griffin, Lamar Odom, Boris Diaw and one I hadn't though of, Michael Beasley. That last one is a bit frightening, especially since he was the closest comp physically of all of them to Simmons in terms of measurements. Beasley had even better rebounding numbers per minute in college than Simmons, but ended up being fairly typical as a combo forward rebounding the ball.

[SirTankalot]

Schmitz had a bunch of comps with video to compare Simmons, including Blake Griffin, Lamar Odom, Boris Diaw and one I hadn't though of, Michael Beasley. That last one is a bit frightening, especially since he was the closest comp physically of all of them to Simmons in terms of measurements. Beasley had even better rebounding numbers per minute in college than Simmons, but ended up being fairly typical as a combo forward rebounding the ball.

Simmons' game is nothing like Beasley's. They are just lefties who dominated college basketball as freshmen. Beasley averaged 1 assist for every 15 field goal attempts. Simmons averages almost 1 assist for every 2 field goal attempts.

Odom's game with Griffin's athleticism is a reasonable comparison.

[Gomes3PC]

Beasley has tunnel vision, not sure I see the comparison there given how gifted a passer Simmons is. They are not really that close in body type as well, even if they have similar standing reach/wingspan. Supercoolbeas is 6-8 and leaner, though he had a good wingspan to offset being undersized. Beasley also played a lot more on the perimeter than Simmons.

Lastly, a lot of why Beasley failed in the NBA was simply because he did not put the work in. He had all the tools to become an elite modern stretch PF, but decided he wanted to become a small forward, where he failed spectacularly.

[FakeScreenName123]

Ben Simmons is incredibly unique, he really doesn't really have a good comp. He's an elite rebounder, a great passer with elite vision and is elite at drawing contact and getting to the line. He can't really shoot, which hinders his ability to score, yet he's surprisingly good at shooting free throws.

I'd be shocked if he couldn't come in to this team next year and average 14-11-4.

Schmitz had a bunch of comps with video to compare Simmons, including Blake Griffin, Lamar Odom, Boris Diaw and one I hadn't though of, Michael Beasley. That last one is a bit frightening, especially since he was the closest comp physically of all of them to Simmons in terms of measurements. Beasley had even better rebounding numbers per minute in college than Simmons, but ended up being fairly typical as a combo forward rebounding the ball.

Stop hating on Simmons. H8r.

[SirTankalot]

Lastly, a lot of why Beasley failed in the NBA was simply because he did not put the work in. He had all the tools to become an elite modern stretch PF, but decided he wanted to become a small forward, where he failed spectacularly.

And weed.