Trade Deadline Countdown Pre-Febuary Deadline

[Qwigglez]

Man I hope we don't get Tobias Harris...
Here's one I'd welcome, though I'm not sure how high the Wizards are of Otto Porter.
Suns get-
Otto Porter/ Nene

Wizards get-
Kieff/ Mirza/ Tucker

[batsmasher]

traaaaaaade season.

in mcd we trust.

[King4Day]

Man I hope we don't get Tobias Harris...
Here's one I'd welcome, though I'm not sure how high the Wizards are of Otto Porter.
Suns get-
Otto Porter/ Nene

Wizards get-
Kieff/ Mirza/ Tucker

What do we know about Porter?
I actually think we might be giving up too much in this deal but we might be able to make something but they could be a good trade partner.

[Qwigglez]

Man I hope we don't get Tobias Harris...
Here's one I'd welcome, though I'm not sure how high the Wizards are of Otto Porter.
Suns get-
Otto Porter/ Nene

Wizards get-
Kieff/ Mirza/ Tucker

What do we know about Porter?
I actually think we might be giving up too much in this deal but we might be able to make something but they could be a good trade partner.

I was thinking the same actually. Maybe they throw in a 1st or 2 2nd rounders?

[NavLDO]

This x 1,000,000! He could win all his value trades and drafts. but the bottom line is we have one of the worst teams in suns history..

WE ARE MISSING OUR 3 TOP SCORERS. That is all.

Just stop. Same excuse over and over for 5 years. Has Bledsoe put up a winning season (bedside his first year when Goran carried the team) since he was coined the best player on the team? As for knight and Warren, correct me if my wrong but we were still **** before they were hurt. Weak just weak. And quoting Warren as a "key" piece that's even worse (and you want to be technical he is the 4th leading scorer at 11 while Morris is 11.6 (either way those numbers are laughable and not numbers to support your argument)).. Same stupid excuse 5 years running. And under the Bledsoe era...its 3 years running.

Good teams don't make excuses...bad teams have a bag full of them.

Bottom line is....you are what your record says you are!

OK, so two years ago, you were insulting those that didn't believe teams tank; and now, you do not believe we are actively tanking. So, have you become dumber these past two years, or do you just see what you want to see, or since it's the Suns (your favorite team) does this not apply anymore??

Sunsdeuce wrote:
So some here think coaches don't try and lose games. Lol, guess what you favorite team and coach tried to lose games. There is so much some of you don't understand and refuse to see. Basketball is sports and not everything is on the up and up. Wake up!!

Did we, or did we not, become worse after Bledsoe got injured?

Are we down our top 3 PGs, or are we not?

Why don't YOU take your own advice, and "Wake Up" and realize what's going on here??? But no, please continue to believe we "are what our record says we are," it just further shows your...nevermind, I better stop before I get in trouble by a mod for insulting you.

You just gloss over all the other questions I've asked yesterday...why?? Because you don't have a good answer, you just keep coming back for more. If you don't think others here can't see your trumped up list for what it was, then you are sadly mistaken. That post was full, FULL of inaccuracies, hyperbole, and cherry-picked facts, and we can all see it for exactly that, but as I said, please keep digging yourself in. At least the other McD 'haters' (Frank, Saint, etc.) are reasoned in their responses, and bring actual facts to the table, and while I may not agree with them on everything, the items they bring up are at least, not so full of bias that make them unreasonable.

But again, that list you posted??? Just wow, and now you are going against the very fact that you just TWO years ago belittled others for not understanding? That's just priceless...

[bwgood77]

Man I hope we don't get Tobias Harris...
Here's one I'd welcome, though I'm not sure how high the Wizards are of Otto Porter.
Suns get-
Otto Porter/ Nene

Wizards get-
Kieff/ Mirza/ Tucker

What do we know about Porter?
I actually think we might be giving up too much in this deal but we might be able to make something but they could be a good trade partner.

I was thinking he would be a good pickup earlier in the year and checked out their forum and they seem to be about as high (or higher) on him as we were on Warren earlier this year. I seriously doubt they trade him. He is 4 years younger and better right now, and they hold his rights for quite a while. He still has a lot more upside than Kieff. They likely are not going far this year anyway, so they might as well keep their young guys and not get an expiring, Tucker with one more year if they want to keep him, and a headache in Markieff.

[JJ13]

Keep reading about clips genuinely shopping Blake, which I think is crazy for them. Plugged this one into trade machine and worked:

Kieff
Knight
Tucker
Goodwin
Warren

For

Blake
Stephenson (assuming he has to be included)

Also assuming we'd have to throw in a pick/picks...that's a pretty good deal for clips IMO, allows them to compete now and moving forward. Gives us cornerstone PF we've been looking for and sets up:

Bled
Booker
Bogdan
Blake
Len/Chandler

Killer B's?

[Frank Lee]

Hater?

Aint no time to hate.... barely time to wait

[bwgood77]

Keep reading about clips genuinely shopping Blake, which I think is crazy for them. Plugged this one into trade machine and worked:

Kieff
Knight
Tucker
Goodwin
Warren

For

Blake
Stephenson (assuming he has to be included)

Also assuming we'd have to throw in a pick/picks...that's a pretty good deal for clips IMO, allows them to compete now and moving forward. Gives us cornerstone PF we've been looking for and sets up:

Bled
Booker
Bogdan
Blake
Len/Chandler

Killer B's?

They would probably require Booker, to get him, but if we could in any way, do it without him, I imagine they would definitely want at least one of Telly or Leuer as well with picks., to spread the floor with Jordan in the middle. Might even be better for them to start Telly and bring Kieff off the bench.

But I'm sure they'd get better offers. Probably even better than if we included Booker.

[Sunsdeuce]

WE ARE MISSING OUR 3 TOP SCORERS. That is all.

Just stop. Same excuse over and over for 5 years. Has Bledsoe put up a winning season (bedside his first year when Goran carried the team) since he was coined the best player on the team? As for knight and Warren, correct me if my wrong but we were still **** before they were hurt. Weak just weak. And quoting Warren as a "key" piece that's even worse (and you want to be technical he is the 4th leading scorer at 11 while Morris is 11.6 (either way those numbers are laughable and not numbers to support your argument)).. Same stupid excuse 5 years running. And under the Bledsoe era...its 3 years running.

Good teams don't make excuses...bad teams have a bag full of them.

Bottom line is....you are what your record says you are!

OK, so two years ago, you were insulting those that didn't believe teams tank; and now, you do not believe we are actively tanking. So, have you become dumber these past two years, or do you just see what you want to see, or since it's the Suns (your favorite team) does this not apply anymore??

Sunsdeuce wrote:
So some here think coaches don't try and lose games. Lol, guess what you favorite team and coach tried to lose games. There is so much some of you don't understand and refuse to see. Basketball is sports and not everything is on the up and up. Wake up!!

Did we, or did we not, become worse after Bledsoe got injured?

Are we down our top 3 PGs, or are we not?

Why don't YOU take your own advice, and "Wake Up" and realize what's going on here??? But no, please continue to believe we "are what our record says we are," it just further shows your...nevermind, I better stop before I get in trouble by a mod for insulting you.

You just gloss over all the other questions I've asked yesterday...why?? Because you don't have a good answer, you just keep coming back for more. If you don't think others here can't see your trumped up list for what it was, then you are sadly mistaken. That post was full, FULL of inaccuracies, hyperbole, and cherry-picked facts, and we can all see it for exactly that, but as I said, please keep digging yourself in. At least the other McD 'haters' (Frank, Saint, etc.) are reasoned in their responses, and bring actual facts to the table, and while I may not agree with them on everything, the items they bring up are at least, not so full of bias that make them unreasonable.

But again, that list you posted??? Just wow, and now you are going against the very fact that you just TWO years ago belittled others for not understanding? That's just priceless...

You point out something that was a conversation about tanking that was discussed 2 years ago and bring it into a "how Ryan doing as GM" argument. Sure, ok, I guess. I glossed over questions because your becoming annoying. I, 100% don't agree with your assessment of Ryan. We got it you love Ryan.... Let it go, everyone else moved on. All I see from u is blah blah blah at this point.

We can agree to disagree. I simply don't approve of this FO. And if you would stop "cherry picking" my quotes you would see I put most blame on Sarver. As he has created a toxic and losing cultural.

So just let it go. Let's talk trades! But if you want ramble on about how great whatever point your trying to make is, then great, knock yourself out.

[JMac1]

It's going to be funny when McD says go to hell, our players have more value than that (Kieff was a 1st rounder and is solid starter that should demand a mid 1st, Tucker is a glue guy solid defender for title team and should demand a 1st, Mirza is a solid gunner off of the bench and should demand a late 1st) and I am not going to let you screw me no matter how much writers try to define our players value to assist the haves in screwing us, no thanks you, I'll wait.

I for one am down with that. It can't get any worse, so why let teams screw us? We don't have to win, in fact sucking is our goal as of today!

[Sunsdeuce]

It's going to be funny when McD says go to hell, our players have more value than that (Kieff was a 1st rounder and is solid starter that should demand a mid 1st, Tucker is a glue guy solid defender for title team and should demand a 1st, Mirza is a solid gunner off of the bench and should demand a late 1st) and I am not going to let you screw me no matter how much writers try to define our players value to assist the haves in screwing us, no thanks you, I'll wait.

I for one am down with that. It can't get any worse, so why let teams screw us? We don't have to win, in fact sucking is our goal as of today!

Well, I think my only question (ok not only question) to that is if we wait a year, 2 years....does his value really change?

Second part is Ryan willing to keep taking harsh criticisms from the media and local population for another year or 2 by keeping Keiff?

Because let's be honest, Kieff is probably the most hated athlete in the state of AZ.

[bwgood77]

It's going to be funny when McD says go to hell, our players have more value than that (Kieff was a 1st rounder and is solid starter that should demand a mid 1st, Tucker is a glue guy solid defender for title team and should demand a 1st, Mirza is a solid gunner off of the bench and should demand a late 1st) and I am not going to let you screw me no matter how much writers try to define our players value to assist the haves in screwing us, no thanks you, I'll wait.

I for one am down with that. It can't get any worse, so why let teams screw us? We don't have to win, in fact sucking is our goal as of today!

There is really ZERO reason to keep Telly...sure get the best offer, but there is no reason. Tucker is debatable....if we want that depth a the 3 next year and guarantee his final year and see if we get a better offer in the off season or take the best offer next deadline, then I could see it, but he probably has more value now, when a team can get him and as the option of keeping him another year. I think he is likely to get moved. I think Markieff is fairly likely too.

I do think McD will play hardball and won't give Markieff away for less than he perceives is decent value and will wait until the summer though, unless Sarver demands he is gone no matter what. I still think someone puts a pretty good offer our there though and 90% chance Markieff is moved, and about the same odds for Tucker.

Telly should be more like 100% because I see no good reason to keep him. Leuer you could argue the same, but perhaps we start him the rest of the season and tell him we would like to re-sign him and he can be a rotation guy next year (hopefully we get a starter quality PF with a higher upside in the trade or FA and also draft one).

[Fo-Real]

Arnold in the movie predator screaming "DO IT" fits right now. Cmon Mc D, just go man make a move.

[SSOL]

Arnold in the movie predator screaming "DO IT" fits right now. Cmon Mc D, just go man make a move.

Yes. That is how to run a franchise.

[jcsunsfan]

It's going to be funny when McD says go to hell, our players have more value than that (Kieff was a 1st rounder and is solid starter that should demand a mid 1st, Tucker is a glue guy solid defender for title team and should demand a 1st, Mirza is a solid gunner off of the bench and should demand a late 1st) and I am not going to let you screw me no matter how much writers try to define our players value to assist the haves in screwing us, no thanks you, I'll wait.

I for one am down with that. It can't get any worse, so why let teams screw us? We don't have to win, in fact sucking is our goal as of today!

Well, I think my only question (ok not only question) to that is if we wait a year, 2 years....does his value really change?

Second part is Ryan willing to keep taking harsh criticisms from the media and local population for another year or 2 by keeping Keiff?

Because let's be honest, Kieff is probably the most hated athlete in the state of AZ.

If our GM is worried about what the media thinks about him, he should be fired right now.

Also, a GM that makes no mistakes in trades is scared or not trying. Think of it like a home run hitter in baseball. He is going to strike out sometimes. But does he knock it out if the park sometimes too?


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[Fo-Real]

Arnold in the movie predator screaming "DO IT" fits right now. Cmon Mc D, just go man make a move.

Yes. That is how to run a franchise.

Ignorant ststement and girlish eye roll for you, but that's about par for your course. Guess I have to explain myself to you, you see I am not hopin for a trade just to trade but if there is already the one lined up as the possible or possibly fake insider mentioned, then I would like them to get it over with. Would like to be organized and definite instead of fly by the pants what iff, wait till the last minute slot machine attitude that has been in the past. "How you run a franchise"... dude STFU!

[JMac1]

It's going to be funny when McD says go to hell, our players have more value than that (Kieff was a 1st rounder and is solid starter that should demand a mid 1st, Tucker is a glue guy solid defender for title team and should demand a 1st, Mirza is a solid gunner off of the bench and should demand a late 1st) and I am not going to let you screw me no matter how much writers try to define our players value to assist the haves in screwing us, no thanks you, I'll wait.

I for one am down with that. It can't get any worse, so why let teams screw us? We don't have to win, in fact sucking is our goal as of today!

Well, I think my only question (ok not only question) to that is if we wait a year, 2 years....does his value really change?

Second part is Ryan willing to keep taking harsh criticisms from the media and local population for another year or 2 by keeping Keiff?

Because let's be honest, Kieff is probably the most hated athlete in the state of AZ.

If McD cares about what Gambo thinks, he should not be our GM. Gambo is the idiot trying to put pressure on McD for keeping Kieff because he doesn't like him. Gambo and some fans act as if Kieff is the worst person to ever don a NBA jersey and stay with his current team. I don't want Kieff for several reason, but I do know he has more value than what has been put out there. If we wait does his value change? Who knows? but it can only get better if he is at rock bottom as they say.

[le crapaud]

I wonder if this can be pulled off. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jfncmpy

Clippers get fair value for Griffin, with a fantastic bench
Suns can build with Bledsoe - Booker - (Ingram with some luck) - Griffin - Chandler

It doesn't hurt the end of season tank. We sit out Griffin for the rest of the year.

Sure, we'll have to part with Len & TJ but at least we can keep Booker. We stay young (Archie and Bogdanovic) and we've got our superstar. Perfect combo.
However, I'm not sure if Clippers would say yes to this.

[Frank Lee]

Up until the most recent MoBrosive Moment, keeping the Power-less Forward till the off season seemed like a break even/win situation. He'd clear up legal probs, re-establish himself as a bonfire contributor, and diminish all his negative value. However now, if he pops his cork again, teams will have a hard time overlooking his emotional state. His good qualities will be lost in that dark cloud called demeanor.