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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#121 » by EMG518 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:15 pm

Fischella wrote:Ulis can play D, the only thing you are seeing is 5'9 and you are not even trying, he is a 1st round prospect in this Draft hands down.
Buddy Hield going top5 is a testament of people been lazy in terms of scouting or looking for prospects, there are easily 15 prospects better than him, and he is on par with 5-10 more, and I am only talking about the obvious calls.
But again, we are talking about people that barely consider international prospects in a draft that could've up to 15 international guys in the top40, so of course you are considering Hield in the top5.


Ulis cannot play D, he is 5'9" 160lbs. Who is he going to guard in the league?. He is not a 1st round prospect.

Buddy Hield potentially going top 5 has nothing to do with people being lazy, he is easily one of if not the best shooters in the draft, has an nba body which he can defend with, has the ability to slash, in this draft he will get looks very high because every team is looking for a player like that.

I have seen the international guys so dont give me that bs, I had Luwawau whom you love in my top 10 for my big board a year ago for the 2015 draft before you or anyone else were even on him. I have seen plenty of the international guys, I have seen Bender, Cornelie, Korkmaz, Qi, Hernangomez, Zipser, Cordinier, etc.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#122 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:54 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0oQffAGHGY[/youtube]

Ranked like out of the top 80 in ESPN/DX... looks like good athlete who can shoot and pass. Per 40 minutes 19.5 pts, .64 TS, 44.1% 3pt, 4.1 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 1.6 steals, 0.4 blocks
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Post#123 » by Onus » Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:38 am

janmagn wrote:
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janmagn wrote:He looks like a good player, has nice measurments, but is kinda of a tweener. He is a center in power forwards body. He is shooting only 58% from the line, and shooting only 2 free throws per game. I think he is a 2nd rounder and Draftexpress has him right there

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I love his defensive potential, but agree that he may be undersized to be a starting center. Though his reach is adequate around 9'2".
Also love that he's willing to shoot underhand fts shows a lack of ego and willing to do anything to help improve his game and the team.

Has he used underhand in-game yet?

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yup there's video of it all over youtube. He continues to do it
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#124 » by EMG518 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:52 am

Dr Positivity wrote:
Ranked like out of the top 80 in ESPN/DX... looks like good athlete who can shoot and pass. Per 40 minutes 19.5 pts, .64 TS, 44.1% 3pt, 4.1 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 1.6 steals, 0.4 blocks


Looks interesting, will have to catch a North Eastern game.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#125 » by jmnvcavs » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:03 am

jmnvcavs wrote:I follow a lot of mountain west basketball and look at out for Cameron Oliver freshman out of Nevada. Freak athlete with a pretty good looking stroke from midrange pretty good shot blocker. Only a freshman... He will probably stay this year, but he looks to definitely be on track to be a first rounder in a year or two. He's number 5 and 2 in the video. Nevada also has former NBA coach Eric Musselman at the helm who is a pretty good talent developer.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgcD1kBp6M8[/youtube]


Little update.. Cam put up 20 points 24 rebounds 3 blocks in last nights win
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#126 » by No-Man » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:00 am

Maryland is the most underrated school, my preseason nº1 team and still fav to win it all, they have 3 guys constantly underrated in evey draft site, Melo Trimble rated as a 2nd round pick in many places, Robert Carter Jr who is not even rated in some, and mostly as a late 2nd in 2017, and Sulaimon who has all the tools to thrive in the pros, I would be comfortable picking all of them way higher than they are projected, Trimble is a top20 prospect, Carter is a solid 1st and Sulaimon should be an early 2nd.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#127 » by Klomp » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:38 am

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Coeur wrote:Josh Adams is a freak. Can't figure out why he isn't on the radar.

Well, he's 6'2, and it's hard to see him playing the point when he has more turnovers than assists - and that's as a 22 year old senior. Otoh, anyone averaging 10 FTA's per game should get a look - though the red flag there is he never averaged even 5 before this season. And he's not a high percentage shooter.

As a Wyoming fan, that's a fair critique. You pretty much outlined the biggest concerns I have as well. His biggest issues are shot selection and pass selection. But look at some of his junior tape when he had guys inside who could finish. He can pass, and is a willing passer. That's not even a question in my mind.

The numbers need to be taken into context, especially when looking at last season. The entire team only averaged 61 points per game, and a quarter of that was going to Larry Nance Jr (who was also being similarly overlooked in draft circles at this point last season, I might add). Adams was the lone junior starter on a team that started four seniors. Naturally, he deferred, arguably more than he should have. This year, it's his team. He's the only senior on a team with just two juniors on it too. The pace has gone up and so have the points. Wyoming is now averaging almost 70 points per game and Adams has over one-third of the points. That's why the volume has changed.

We're talking about a guy with ELITE athleticism. No joke, I'd put him right on par with the two guys in Saturday night's dunk contest.

His role off the bench will need to be as a sparkplug offensive player, but that's a perfect role for him. He can get to the basket almost any time he wants, as evidenced by the video posted earlier. He can even get to the rim when he doesn't have the ball.

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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#128 » by Johnlac1 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:47 am

Fischella wrote:Maryland is the most underrated school, my preseason nº1 team and still fav to win it all, they have 3 guys constantly underrated in evey draft site, Melo Trimble rated as a 2nd round pick in many places, Robert Carter Jr who is not even rated in some, and mostly as a late 2nd in 2017, and Sulaimon who has all the tools to thrive in the pros, I would be comfortable picking all of them way higher than they are projected, Trimble is a top20 prospect, Carter is a solid 1st and Sulaimon should be an early 2nd.

If anyone qualifies as a sleeper for Maryland it's Jake Layman. He's sort of had the rug pulled out from underneath him this year with the addition of Stone and Walker, but he's got a pro body and a good outside shot.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#129 » by Ruzious » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:46 pm

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Fischella wrote:Maryland is the most underrated school, my preseason nº1 team and still fav to win it all, they have 3 guys constantly underrated in evey draft site, Melo Trimble rated as a 2nd round pick in many places, Robert Carter Jr who is not even rated in some, and mostly as a late 2nd in 2017, and Sulaimon who has all the tools to thrive in the pros, I would be comfortable picking all of them way higher than they are projected, Trimble is a top20 prospect, Carter is a solid 1st and Sulaimon should be an early 2nd.

If anyone qualifies as a sleeper for Maryland it's Jake Layman. He's sort of had the rug pulled out from underneath him this year with the addition of Stone and Walker, but he's got a pro body and a good outside shot.

As a Terps fan, I've actually been disappointed with his offensive play - while he's surprised me by improving quite a lot on defense. He's missed so many wide open shots - even though he has good form on his 3's. I don't know if he needs to see a sports psychologist, but if he doesn't get over whatever it is that causes him to miss those open j's, he won't play in the NBA.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#130 » by Johnlac1 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:55 pm

Ruzious wrote:
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Fischella wrote:Maryland is the most underrated school, my preseason nº1 team and still fav to win it all, they have 3 guys constantly underrated in evey draft site, Melo Trimble rated as a 2nd round pick in many places, Robert Carter Jr who is not even rated in some, and mostly as a late 2nd in 2017, and Sulaimon who has all the tools to thrive in the pros, I would be comfortable picking all of them way higher than they are projected, Trimble is a top20 prospect, Carter is a solid 1st and Sulaimon should be an early 2nd.

If anyone qualifies as a sleeper for Maryland it's Jake Layman. He's sort of had the rug pulled out from underneath him this year with the addition of Stone and Walker, but he's got a pro body and a good outside shot.

As a Terps fan, I've actually been disappointed with his offensive play - while he's surprised me by improving quite a lot on defense. He's missed so many wide open shots - even though he has good form on his 3's. I don't know if he needs to see a sports psychologist, but if he doesn't get over whatever it is that causes him to miss those open j's, he won't play in the NBA.

His improvement on def. sort of surprised me. He did the best job guarding Uthoff of anybody I've seen so far this year. I'll agree...he looks good shooting, but misses a lot of open shots. But then Trimble missed almost every shot he took against Wisc. in their recent game, and many of them were clean open shots.
However, Layman is certainly worth taking a look at. He's got the athleticism and the ability to hit the three and play at either the three or four spot. I'd say late first round or somewhere early in the second round.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#131 » by No-Man » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:16 pm

Cant see Layman playing the SF and he is not strong or quick enough to switch, I have a hard time seeing him making it unless he becomes a superb shooter, more of a late 2nd for me at this point, I'd take all the Terps prospects ahead of him.

In terms of range.

Trimble and Stone, 10-25
Carter, 20-35
Sulaimon, 25-40
Layman, 40-55
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#132 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:18 am

I'm starting to follow Charles Cooke, a 6'5.5 195 lb transfer from George Mason to Dayton. He'll probably stay another year because he likely won't get drafted, but he's really stepped up his game since the transfer. A really good defensive player with length who's developed a nice 3 point shot and all-around game. Smart kid with a good sense of humor.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#133 » by LApwnd » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:16 pm

Where is grayson allen projected to go?
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#134 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:59 pm

Jawun Evans, next small PG ignored despite having everything else going for him.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#135 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:17 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Jawun Evans, next small PG ignored despite having everything else going for him.


Welp, he's out for the year. Shouldn't be in this draft
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#136 » by Amareca » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:58 pm

Allonzo Trier is the most underrated draft prospect.

He is the best player on Arizona(9) and a freshman. Arizona is 17-3 with him and his numbers have exploded since december. He failed to score double digits just one time when he had 5 fouls in 16.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#137 » by No-Man » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:36 pm

Damian Jones was overrated but now he is almost a sleeper, what the guy can do athletically at his size is tremendous, for a team like Orlando he could be worth of alotto pick.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#138 » by Nolan » Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:16 pm

So what do you fellas think about Roosevelt Jones from Butler? I know his height and shooting are concerning but I can see him doing well as a pro.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#139 » by doordoor123 » Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:28 pm

Fischella wrote:Damian Jones was overrated but now he is almost a sleeper, what the guy can do athletically at his size is tremendous, for a team like Orlando he could be worth of alotto pick.


Completely agree. I could see him eventually becoming a Derrick Favors-type
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#140 » by No-Man » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:42 am

Derrick Jones Jr. is a stud, so explosive and smooth, it is a shame that he cant shoot, but man the guy is a walking highlight reel, no idea if will declare, but he definetely is a 1st rounder in this draft if he does.
There are a few guys like him that I have no idea if they will declare of not, it could make this Draft much more interesting.

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