Trade Discussion

[saintEscaton]

Whats's up with Bender? How many of you really saw him play? On which data do you base a conclusion that he is so bouncing off the rest of the class? Guy is barely playing, and all we have now is the abstract of his physics that are intriguing, indeed, but not even closely enough to feel safe when picking him over any other (hypothetically) at #3. Other than that, he'll very likely be another draft&stash option, and that is not particularly what we need now.

Bender only has an opt-out clause the 4th year of his contract with Maccabi so he wil require an expensive buyout if we want to bring him over before 2019-2020. Probably 2 years away from being 2 years away . He's playing against tougher competition at a younger age than Porzingis but he honestly reminds me more of Vesley. Missing out on the Top 2 basically means we have to continue the tank next season at the very least

[rsavaj]

traaaaaaade season.

in mcd we trust.

Lol not sure if that's still the case after last year's deadline

[rsavaj]

Does Rubio make any sense? BK for Rubio+ Bazz?

[MrMiyagi]

Anyone have access to the ESPN Insider article about the 10 trades they'd like to see happen?

#10 is the only one of Suns interest. Here's the shortened version.


1. Cleveland Cavaliers send: Kevin Love to Boston
Boston Celtics send: Jae Crowder, Brooklyn's 2016 first-round pick and David Lee to New York
New York Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony to Cleveland and Lance Thomas to Boston

2. Atlanta Hawks send: Al Horford and Kent Bazemore
Toronto Raptors send: James Johnson, Lucas Nogueira, Patrick Patterson and the lesser of the 2016 first-round picks belonging to Denver and New York

3. Houston Rockets send: James Harden, Dwight Howard, Marcus Thornton and Jason Terry
Boston Celtics send: Nets' 2016 first-round pick, Isaiah Thomas, Kelly Olynyk, Avery Bradley and David Lee

4. New York Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony
Los Angeles Lakers send: D'Angelo Russell and Roy Hibbert

5. Los Angeles Clippers send: Blake Griffin
Atlanta Hawks send: Paul Millsap and Mike Scott

6. New York Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony
Dallas Mavericks send: Chandler Parsons, Raymond Felton, Dwight Powell and picks in the next two drafts

7. Brooklyn Nets send: Thaddeus Young
Toronto Raptors send: Patrick Patterson, Delon Wright and a 2016 first-round draft pick

8. Atlanta Hawks send: Al Horford, Jeff Teague and Kyle Korver to Houston; Thabo Sefolosha to Minnesota
Houston Rockets send: Dwight Howard to Atlanta; Patrick Beverley, KJ McDaniels and Donatas Motiejunas to Minnesota
Minnesota Timberwolves send: Ricky Rubio to Atlanta

9. New Orleans Pelicans send: Jrue Holiday and Norris Cole
Utah Jazz send: Trey Burke, Alec Burks and the Jazz's 2016 second-round pick

10. Phoenix Suns send: Markieff Morris and Jon Leuer
Detroit Pistons send: Brandon Jennings

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14779309/kevin-love-boston-carmelo-anthony-cleveland-top-trades-see-nba

Thanks for this!

Holy crap, what kind of logic makes #3 happen?

As for the Suns trade, kind of underwhelming. I mean, we'd get cap space, but I don't want to trade Leuer.

[RunDogGun]

Does Rubio make any sense? BK for Rubio+ Bazz?

At this point? Maybe it could. I'm assuming we'd have to add a pick to make the Wolves take on BK contract.

[AtheJ415]

Our best option imo is to just auction off Tucker, Markieff, and Tele for picks and young guys. I see a trade with Toronto happening. They have 4 youngsters we could use between Ross, Nogueira, Caboclo, and Wright, plus the picks we'd want. I don't see some bigger trade where we accumulate assets for a stud happening, and I'm not sure that's the best direction given our strength of scouting/drafting.

Tucker I keep until next year unless we get a 1st, but I think a team will offer that so I don't see him here.
Tele we get whatever we can.
Leuer I'd like to keep long-term, so it would depend on the offer. Would he be understanding enough to re-sign here if we trade him? Probably not, but he seems like a smart guy.
Markieff I still think we can get something for. Call me crazy, but a first shouldn't be out of the question.
Price--if there's literally anything somebody will give we should trade him. Protected 2nd rounder. Nacho cheese warmer. Anything.

[GetYourPHX]

Does Rubio make any sense? BK for Rubio+ Bazz?

At this point? Maybe it could. I'm assuming we'd have to add a pick to make the Wolves take on BK contract.

You guys are getting a little crazy with the Knight hate. I'd much rather have Knight than Rubio.

[letsgosuns]

I am not interested in Rubio. He is a better passer than any of the Suns point guards but that is it. His outside shot is terrible and the worst part is that he does practically everything he can to avoid shooting. How are you supposed to win with a guy like that. There is a reason why the Wolves (an awful team) want to get rid of him.

If anyone thinks Rubio is anything close to the second coming of Steve Nash, they are mistaken. Nash was a great player before the Suns signed him in 2004 and turned into an MVP. Rubio is not a great player. He would have to do a complete 180 with his jump shot to come close to being an effective player on a winning team.

[AtheJ415]

Does Rubio make any sense? BK for Rubio+ Bazz?

At this point? Maybe it could. I'm assuming we'd have to add a pick to make the Wolves take on BK contract.

Disagree. Rubio is arguably the worst jump shooter ever. His value is so grossly overstated on fan boards due to the love for "pass first" PGs. Teams routinely can double at will off of him, and dare him to shoot in crunch time. He has a lot of positives, but his negatives are really, truly awful.

[Djedefre]

If we could only sneak in the three way with Boston and another PO team (like Cavs, Hawks, Raps...) and grab that BKN pick... It would be pure ecstasy.

[RunDogGun]

Tele for sure should be dealt. I doubt we resign him next season. He will get better offers from better teams.

I don't mind keeping Price and Tucker for I like their effort and examples for our young guys. Both players will most likely adapt and adopt the next coach's system, so they will be good to have. But if a good trade comes up, and they have to moved to make things work, I'm ok with a move.

Markieff should be moved, and hopefully whatever Ray is talking about goes from serious to finished.

[Damkac]

If we could only sneak in the three way with Boston and another PO team (like Cavs, Hawks, Raps...) and grab that BKN pick... It would be pure ecstasy.

Agree. I would even give Bled for that pick

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Houston gets Goran Back. But I don't know if it makes Houston better.

That makes zero sense for Atlanta unless their management is heels over heads in love with Dwight the hometown hero and has assurance of him staying. But it could just as easily be a half season rental, and Horford will age better so might as well ink him. Thats a downgrade AND they are giving up Teague for basically nothing on top of that

Waaaay to good for Miami

Clippers offer Griffin for either package, what do you choose to give up (ignore any further fillers needed to match salaries):

Warren, Len, Goodwin and 4 picks

Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Morris

Is this a serious question?

Okay.. From what I've been hearing. The Phx Suns FO where targeting Aaron Gordon before the show he put on last night. However, after last night his value got higher and might not happen.

One thing is clear, the Suns are starting the youth movement. Everyone is available with the exception of Booker, Len and Warren. They won't be able to trade either Knight or Bledsoe but once the summer approaches us, expects at least one of them to be traded.

I'm still trying to get the information on who the Suns are talking and who they are targeting.

Oh please this be the truth!

[TeamTragic]

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Houston gets Goran Back. But I don't know if it makes Houston better.

Houston think taking back garbage Dragic (see this season) and Whiteside as a rental while dumping Howard will improve their team? Morey about to get fired and Riley being Riley

[RunDogGun]

Does Rubio make any sense? BK for Rubio+ Bazz?

At this point? Maybe it could. I'm assuming we'd have to add a pick to make the Wolves take on BK contract.

Disagree. Rubio is arguably the worst jump shooter ever. His value is so grossly overstated on fan boards due to the love for "pass first" PGs. Teams routinely can double at will off of him, and dare him to shoot in crunch time. He has a lot of positives, but his negatives are really, truly awful.

Possibly, but this season Ricky's oRtg/dRtg is a +3 where BK's is a -1. Players can get better in their shot over the years. Ricky shoots 83% from the line, so maybe other shots can be fixed. Kidd got significantly better shooting threes late in his career.

[MrTwister]

Whats's up with Bender? How many of you really saw him play? On which data do you base a conclusion that he is so bouncing off the rest of the class? Guy is barely playing, and all we have now is the abstract of his physics that are intriguing, indeed, but not even closely enough to feel safe when picking him over any other (hypothetically) at #3. Other than that, he'll very likely be another draft&stash option, and that is not particularly what we need now.

Bender only has an opt-out clause the 4th year of his contract with Maccabi so he wil require an expensive buyout if we want to bring him over before 2019-2020. Probably 2 years away from being 2 years away . He's playing against tougher competition at a younger age than Porzingis but he honestly reminds me more of Vesley. Missing out on the Top 2 basically means we have to continue the tank next season at the very least

Bender has NBA outs in multiple years of his contract, its not set in stone but my guess is that he can go to NBA in any year he decides to join, as long Maccabi receives buyout.Furthest i see hIm waiting to jump is 2017/18 season.This draft is opportunity for him because its kinda weak beside maybe 2 players nobody is really worth sucking all season and tanking for certain prospects.What's most likely, he gets drafted by that Brooklyn pick whoever gets to own him (probably a playoff team), stays one more year to improve his body/get more PT and he is part in 2017 rookie class.

[saintEscaton]

At this point? Maybe it could. I'm assuming we'd have to add a pick to make the Wolves take on BK contract.

Disagree. Rubio is arguably the worst jump shooter ever. His value is so grossly overstated on fan boards due to the love for "pass first" PGs. Teams routinely can double at will off of him, and dare him to shoot in crunch time. He has a lot of positives, but his negatives are really, truly awful.

Possibly, but this season Ricky's oRtg/dRtg is a +3 where BK's is a -1. Players can get better in their shot over the years. Ricky shoots 83% from the line, so maybe other shots can be fixed. Kidd got significantly better shooting threes late in his career.

Bricky Rubio has the lowest career field goal percentage (36.5%) of any NBA player with at least 5,000 career minutes in the past 50 years. Set shot proficiency does not correlate with jump shot proficiency. Doesn't matter if he gets open looks he won't take them which is ultimately selfish. He creates for his teammates but also forces them to bail him out when he extends possessions due to his indecisiveness. His mechanics are just that broke and his form is incorrectable at this point of his career. His release doesn't send the ba up in a straight trajectory it just flicks it out to the side, he should have hired a coach when he was in Spain

[Saberestar]

The youth-laden Magic have made it known they are in the market for veterans as they continue to slide out of playoff contention.

Sources say Orlando has been willing to discuss the prospect of moving some of its more familiar names, including former No. 2 overall pick Victor Oladipo and the recently re-signed Tobias Harris.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4297/trade-chatter-is-kevin-love-untouchable

Great opportunity to get these two players and change our roster.

Knight, Tucker, Markieff

For

Oladipo, Harris and Frye (or Watson).

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The youth-laden Magic have made it known they are in the market for veterans as they continue to slide out of playoff contention.

Sources say Orlando has been willing to discuss the prospect of moving some of its more familiar names, including former No. 2 overall pick Victor Oladipo and the recently re-signed Tobias Harris.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4297/trade-chatter-is-kevin-love-untouchable

Great opportunity to get these two players and change our roster.

Knight, Tucker, Markieff

For

Oladipo, Harris and Frye (or Watson).

I would do that if no better opportunity presented itself...

[RunDogGun]

Disagree. Rubio is arguably the worst jump shooter ever. His value is so grossly overstated on fan boards due to the love for "pass first" PGs. Teams routinely can double at will off of him, and dare him to shoot in crunch time. He has a lot of positives, but his negatives are really, truly awful.

Possibly, but this season Ricky's oRtg/dRtg is a +3 where BK's is a -1. Players can get better in their shot over the years. Ricky shoots 83% from the line, so maybe other shots can be fixed. Kidd got significantly better shooting threes late in his career.

Bricky Rubio has the lowest career field goal percentage (36.5%) of any NBA player with at least 5,000 career minutes in the past 50 years. Set shot proficiency does not correlate with jump shot proficiency. Doesn't matter if he gets open looks he won't take them which is ultimately selfish. He creates for his teammates but also forces them to bail him out when he extends possessions due to his indecisiveness. His mechanics are just that broke and his form is incorrectable at this point of his career. His release doesn't send the ba up in a straight trajectory it just flicks it out to the side, he should have hired a coach when he was in Spain

Incorectable? Please. So you are saying that his set shot form is completely different than his jump shot form? Bad form still works for some players, Barbosa, Marion, Martin all have terrible form.

Oh well, I didn't need this to get into a huge thing about Rubio, and/or give posters time to make fun of players with childish name calling.

[dremill24]

The youth-laden Magic have made it known they are in the market for veterans as they continue to slide out of playoff contention.

Sources say Orlando has been willing to discuss the prospect of moving some of its more familiar names, including former No. 2 overall pick Victor Oladipo and the recently re-signed Tobias Harris.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4297/trade-chatter-is-kevin-love-untouchable

Great opportunity to get these two players and change our roster.

Knight, Tucker, Markieff

For

Oladipo, Harris and Frye (or Watson).

I would do that if no better opportunity presented itself...

Lol you should be jumping all over it cause the Magic would never let it happen.