Trade Discussion

[lilfishi22]

I hope we get Kidd Gilchrist.

oh god, please

Not gunna happen even if he wasn't out indefinitely. This isn't 2K where you can just waive off the physical

I thought you can't trade an injured player at all in 2K

[Kerrsed]

Does Rubio make any sense? BK for Rubio+ Bazz?

I was looking at a Rubio trade last night, but i was trying to make it a 3-way with the Wolves sending him out to Orlando, and trying to make it work so we could get both Shabazzzz and Gordon. I figured that Harris would be perfect for the Wolves and fit in with what they are trying to do, and would be a perfect starting SF for them.

This is the closest i could get it: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z4ub34f

I do realize that there would have to be more to it, as there is no way we get away with obtaining Gordon while just sending out Morris/Tucker and absorbing Frye's contract.

[jredsaz]

The youth-laden Magic have made it known they are in the market for veterans as they continue to slide out of playoff contention.

Sources say Orlando has been willing to discuss the prospect of moving some of its more familiar names, including former No. 2 overall pick Victor Oladipo and the recently re-signed Tobias Harris.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4297/trade-chatter-is-kevin-love-untouchable

Great opportunity to get these two players and change our roster.

Knight, Tucker, Markieff

For

Oladipo, Harris and Frye (or Watson).

We would have to add something more. Knight and Harris have essentially equal value. Oladipo is worth more than Tucker and Keiff. Frye has value on the open market as well.

[saintEscaton]

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4297/trade-chatter-is-kevin-love-untouchable

Great opportunity to get these two players and change our roster.

Knight, Tucker, Markieff

For

Oladipo, Harris and Frye (or Watson).

I would do that if no better opportunity presented itself...

Lol you should be jumping all over it cause the Magic would never let it happen.

They are loaded at the wing positions but they are not moving BOTH Dipo and Tobias, especially not in the same deal. I would look at Fournier

[letsgosuns]

The only thing I am interested in the Suns getting via trade is either a superstar or more draft picks. I do not want lateral moves that do not move the needle. I am not a believer in players that have been in the league for four or five years that have underperformed and thinking a change a scenery will do them any good.

One thing I remember Kenny Smith saying many years ago on TNT is that every great big man to play in the NBA dominated from day one. I think that rule applies to superstars in general now too. Except I think there should be more leeway for non big man players. If a young player, regardless of age, does not start playing at a true all star level within three years of being drafted (assuming he is healthy), the chances of them being a generational player are very slim. All the top players in the league were awesome by the time their rookie contracts were up. That is why the league is so high on Booker. He is already showing all-star potential in his rookie season. He has the chance to be a true superstar.

So guys like Shabazz Muhammed, Tobias Harris, Otto Porter Jr., or whoever else do nothing for me. I watched these guys and I just do not see it. Where is this superstar potential? Why should the Suns trade for them. Not one of those guys I just mentioned appear any better than what the Suns already have. I would much rather have draft picks than players like that.

[bwgood77]

Does Rubio make any sense? BK for Rubio+ Bazz?

I was looking at a Rubio trade last night, but i was trying to make it a 3-way with the Wolves sending him out to Orlando, and trying to make it work so we could get both Shabazzzz and Gordon. I figured that Harris would be perfect for the Wolves and fit in with what they are trying to do, and would be a perfect starting SF for them.

This is the closest i could get it: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z4ub34f

I do realize that there would have to be more to it, as there is no way we get away with obtaining Gordon while just sending out Morris/Tucker and absorbing Frye's contract.

The last thing Orlando needs is another point guard who can't shoot. I don't see why Minnesota would trade Rubio at this point. He's perfect to set up all those young guys.

[Kerrsed]

Does Rubio make any sense? BK for Rubio+ Bazz?

I was looking at a Rubio trade last night, but i was trying to make it a 3-way with the Wolves sending him out to Orlando, and trying to make it work so we could get both Shabazzzz and Gordon. I figured that Harris would be perfect for the Wolves and fit in with what they are trying to do, and would be a perfect starting SF for them.

This is the closest i could get it: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z4ub34f

I do realize that there would have to be more to it, as there is no way we get away with obtaining Gordon while just sending out Morris/Tucker and absorbing Frye's contract.

The last thing Orlando needs is another point guard who can't shoot. I don't see why Minnesota would trade Rubio at this point. He's perfect to set up all those young guys.

1. Oladipo isnt a PG. He is a SG with PG height. Orlando was trying to make him a PG, but he is not one.

2. Rubio is the "Seasoned Vet" that they need to lead the team. If you have watched Orlando at all, Payton is still YEARS away and very soft spoken on the court.

3. The wolves are ready for the LaVine era. Thats why they are currently looking to move Rubio. LaVine is their future, and if they can rid themselves of Rubios contract and upgrade at a position or two, that would be perfect. Harris gives them the future SF/PF that they are lacking/looking for.

[bwgood77]

I was looking at a Rubio trade last night, but i was trying to make it a 3-way with the Wolves sending him out to Orlando, and trying to make it work so we could get both Shabazzzz and Gordon. I figured that Harris would be perfect for the Wolves and fit in with what they are trying to do, and would be a perfect starting SF for them.

This is the closest i could get it: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z4ub34f

I do realize that there would have to be more to it, as there is no way we get away with obtaining Gordon while just sending out Morris/Tucker and absorbing Frye's contract.

The last thing Orlando needs is another point guard who can't shoot. I don't see why Minnesota would trade Rubio at this point. He's perfect to set up all those young guys.

1. Oladipo isnt a PG. He is a SG with PG height. Orlando was trying to make him a PG, but he is not one.

2. Rubio is the "Seasoned Vet" that they need to lead the team. If you have watched Orlando at all, Payton is still YEARS away and very soft spoken on the court.

3. The wolves are ready for the LaVine era. Thats why they are currently looking to move Rubio. LaVine is their future, and if they can rid themselves of Rubios contract and upgrade at a position or two, that would be perfect. Harris gives them the future SF/PF that they are lacking/looking for.

Where do you see that they are looking to move Rubio? LaVine seems to be more of a scorer than facilitator. I can't imagine Orlando would trade Gordon. He, to them, is probably like Booker is to us.

Oladipo got moved to the bench and Payton HAS been their starting PG already. I thought Skiles loved Payton.

[oddity]

The only thing I am interested in the Suns getting via trade is either a superstar or more draft picks. I do not want lateral moves that do not move the needle. I am not a believer in players that have been in the league for four or five years that have underperformed and thinking a change a scenery will do them any good.

One thing I remember Kenny Smith saying many years ago on TNT is that every great big man to play in the NBA dominated from day one. I think that rule applies to superstars in general now too. Except I think there should be more leeway for non big man players. If a young player, regardless of age, does not start playing at a true all star level within three years of being drafted (assuming he is healthy), the chances of them being a generational player are very slim. All the top players in the league were awesome by the time their rookie contracts were up. That is why the league is so high on Booker. He is already showing all-star potential in his rookie season. He has the chance to be a true superstar.

So guys like Shabazz Muhammed, Tobias Harris, Otto Porter Jr., or whoever else do nothing for me. I watched these guys and I just do not see it. Where is this superstar potential? Why should the Suns trade for them. Not one of those guys I just mentioned appear any better than what the Suns already have. I would much rather have draft picks than players like that.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but the thing is that players like that are extremely hard to come by. The young guys with potential everybody wants to keep, and already defined stars come at a stars price. Right now, the best way to build would be around our young core of players, especially booker, so there's no shame in going after a shabazz type of player who would match our core's age for the future. A team isn't only made up of one superstar, and sometimes it's best to a acquire a fantastic cast of role players as a nest for that possible superstar. Right now that is the ONLY move we can do (that and acquiring assets in future drafts).

[TOO]

Orlando cant trot out a backcourt that cant shoot, one of Payton or Dipo has to go. It's really that simple. It's a jumpshooters league now, you live and die from the 3. This is probably the same reason Rubio is available, it's hard to rely on a guy who is no outside threat.

[dremill24]

I was looking at a Rubio trade last night, but i was trying to make it a 3-way with the Wolves sending him out to Orlando, and trying to make it work so we could get both Shabazzzz and Gordon. I figured that Harris would be perfect for the Wolves and fit in with what they are trying to do, and would be a perfect starting SF for them.

This is the closest i could get it: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z4ub34f

I do realize that there would have to be more to it, as there is no way we get away with obtaining Gordon while just sending out Morris/Tucker and absorbing Frye's contract.

The last thing Orlando needs is another point guard who can't shoot. I don't see why Minnesota would trade Rubio at this point. He's perfect to set up all those young guys.

1. Oladipo isnt a PG. He is a SG with PG height. Orlando was trying to make him a PG, but he is not one.

2. Rubio is the "Seasoned Vet" that they need to lead the team. If you have watched Orlando at all, Payton is still YEARS away and very soft spoken on the court.

3. The wolves are ready for the LaVine era. Thats why they are currently looking to move Rubio. LaVine is their future, and if they can rid themselves of Rubios contract and upgrade at a position or two, that would be perfect. Harris gives them the future SF/PF that they are lacking/looking for.

I think the undebatable point is that there's no reason for the Magic to trade for a Spanish version of the PG they already have. In also not sure what #1 has to do with anything that was talked about.

[Sunsss]

If we're gonna make a trade with the Cavs, I'd ask for rights of Cedi Osman. 6'8 SF who is improving his shooting, can defend and has some athleticism. He'll probably come to the NBA in the summer of 2017 when he's 22. But he's not gonna play with LeBron there.

[Sunsdeuce]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/woiverticalnba/status/699366185377361926[/tweet]

Nevermind it's fake. I always fall for it. Blame it on Coro, he retweeted it.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

BTW - I have to imagine that if the Magic were even somewhat interest in trading Gordon to us, they were targeting Len as part of the return package. He kicked Vucevic's ass the last time they played.

[King4Day]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/woiverticalnba/status/699366185377361926[/tweet]

Nevermind it's fake. I always fall for it. Blame it on Coro, he retweeted it.

I can't believe he didn't proof read. Where the hell did he get that tweet from anyway?

If that trade were true, it would be the first time Riley was truly fleeced in a trade.

[SC923]

I am new to this forum and I'm a huge Suns fan, but one guy I really like is Bruno Caboclo in Toronto. Also, Mcdonough doesnt redeem himself I think Sarver has to get rid of him.

[SideSwipe]

Does Rubio make any sense? BK for Rubio+ Bazz?

Yes but I think we might need to add a little bit of value to that.

[BobbieL]

Listening Sports talk on the way home, ESPN RADIO, in one of the breaks it mentioned Stein and the Cavalierts sycophant, Windhorst (really Windbag as he is NEVER right) - said Love is on the block but want a super star back and not role players. So I guess they want Melo for whatever reason

But I still think the best trade for the Cavs is somehow getting Kieff and Chandler or Knight straight up for Love. Granted, its probably a three way so Love goes to Boston and David Lee, some ancillary part and the Brooklyn pick goes to the Suns.

Kieff helps there floor spacing. Mozgov kind of stinks so Chandler gives them a true defensive five. JR Smith and Shumpert both stink and are inconsistent so Knight helps that. IF they want a SF for defense, Tucker brings that.

It won't happen - but I think the Suns players help more than Melo

[SideSwipe]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/woiverticalnba/status/699366185377361926[/tweet]

Nevermind it's fake. I always fall for it. Blame it on Coro, he retweeted it.

I can't believe he didn't proof read. Where the hell did he get that tweet from anyway?

If that trade were true, it would be the first time Riley was truly fleeced in a trade.

I don't disagree, but Casspi has been quietly having a pretty good season, though. He has done pretty well defensively, has length and can bomb the three. This would be a classic Riley move, if true. He returns a solid 3 and D guy in Casspi, and still maintains future growth, flexibility and shooting in Mclemore. Neither have the ceiling of Winslow, but the timing for MIA would be better. This could also be combined with their rumored ATL package.


MIA rolls with

Teague/ Udrih
Wade/ Green/ Mclemore
Deng/ Casspi/ Johnson
Horford/ Haslem/ Stokes
Bosh/ Amare

That's a good lineup. Balanced and defensive. Could still use some wing defense on the bench, but that's pretty stacked overall.

Edit: Added lineup

[RaisingArizona]

I am new to this forum and I'm a huge Suns fan, but one guy I really like is Bruno Caboclo in Toronto. Also, Mcdonough doesnt redeem himself I think Sarver has to get rid of him.

Hi, Gambo.