Trade Discussion

[BobbieL]

The youth-laden Magic have made it known they are in the market for veterans as they continue to slide out of playoff contention.

Sources say Orlando has been willing to discuss the prospect of moving some of its more familiar names, including former No. 2 overall pick Victor Oladipo and the recently re-signed Tobias Harris.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4297/trade-chatter-is-kevin-love-untouchable

Great opportunity to get these two players and change our roster.

Knight, Tucker, Markieff

For

Oladipo, Harris and Frye (or Watson).

that wouldn't suck even if the team had to take back FRyes contract

[King4Day]

I am new to this forum and I'm a huge Suns fan, but one guy I really like is Bruno Caboclo in Toronto. Also, Mcdonough doesnt redeem himself I think Sarver has to get rid of him.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was a guy we targeted along with a pick of sorts.

[LukasBMW]

Trading Love for Melo would be stupid. Melo looks done.

Trading Love for Blake could work well for both teams. A Blake/Lebron 1-2 punch easily becomes the best in the NBA. Both players require a double team. Love can help the Clippers stretch the floor and his defensive weaknesses are covered by DeAndre.

Trading love for Boogie could also work well for both teams. The Kings rid themselves of their headcase and bring in a superstar locked into a long term deal to build around. Boggie gets to finally go to a winning team and Lebron can keep him in check.

[jredsaz]

I am new to this forum and I'm a huge Suns fan, but one guy I really like is Bruno Caboclo in Toronto. Also, Mcdonough doesnt redeem himself I think Sarver has to get rid of him.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was a guy we targeted along with a pick of sorts.

Agreed. Patterson, filler, and either Bruno or Wright plus their 1st for Tucker and Morris seems about right.

[Sunsdeuce]

Trading Love for Melo would be stupid. Melo looks done.

Trading Love for Blake could work well for both teams. A Blake/Lebron 1-2 punch easily becomes the best in the NBA. Both players require a double team. Love can help the Clippers stretch the floor and his defensive weaknesses are covered by DeAndre.

Trading love for Boogie could also work well for both teams. The Kings rid themselves of their headcase and bring in a superstar locked into a long term deal to build around. Boggie gets to finally go to a winning team and Lebron can keep him in check.

Not too many times do superstars get traded for superstars. Most of the time when a superstar gets traded the trading team usually has to give up a haul (or practically half their team) because they don't have a star to give up.

But to your point of trading Boogie for Love, my guess is Sac will want more than just love as Love's value isn't as high as it use to be.

[bwgood77]

Trading Love for Melo would be stupid. Melo looks done.

Trading Love for Blake could work well for both teams. A Blake/Lebron 1-2 punch easily becomes the best in the NBA. Both players require a double team. Love can help the Clippers stretch the floor and his defensive weaknesses are covered by DeAndre.

Trading love for Boogie could also work well for both teams. The Kings rid themselves of their headcase and bring in a superstar locked into a long term deal to build around. Boggie gets to finally go to a winning team and Lebron can keep him in check.

Not too many times do superstars get traded for superstars. Most of the time when a superstar gets traded the trading team usually has to give up a haul (or practically half their team) because they don't have a star to give up.

But to your point of trading Boogie for Love, my guess is Sac will want more than just love as Love's value isn't as high as it use to be.

Yeah, I can't think of any time off the top of my head where two superstars got swapped, though I'm sure after I post this one will pop into my mind.

Blake would seem to have a lot more value than Love, but Love would be a better fit for the Clips and is from LA. Cleveland probably wants floor spreaders too, to match up with the western teams. If Blake could rim protect and play center at times, it would work nicely. You'd think with that jumping ability, he could be a good shot blocker, but he doesn't seem to be.

Edit: Kidd/Marbury? That was kind of a star swap at the time. Also, way back in the day Dominique Wilkins I think was swapped for Danny Manning.

[Christine-In-AZ]

There is really ZERO reason to keep Telly...sure get the best offer, but there is no reason...

...Telly should be more like 100% because I see no good reason to keep him.

I don't understand your thinking that there's no good reason to keep Telly?

Yes I understand that he's an expiring and the Suns don't have Bird Rights for him...i.e. there's a good chance he leaves this summer. But I like his play. Maybe he likes it in Phoenix. I think he's a "better Ryan Anderson" that might just accept 8 or 9 million per to stay.

For me, unless the FO is quite sure he'd like to stretch 4 elsewhere or the Suns don't need him for packaging in a larger deal, I'd like to see the Suns make a strong attempt to retain him in FA season.

...or (hush hush) work out a hand shake deal with Teletovic now.. get a little something for him before the deadline, then sign him back this off season.

[letsgosuns]

I think the Cavaliers have to do something. It is doubtful they will beat the top Western Conference teams as currently constructed. That team is just not that good outside of Lebron, Irving, and Love. And Love is having a bad year. He really has had two underwhelming years in a row for them. Nowhere near superstar level. 16 and 10 last season and 16 and 10 this season. Plus he is shooting terribly for a power forward. 43% fg last season and less than 42% fg this season. Compare these two seasons to his last year with the Timberwolves where he average about 26 and 13 on 46% fg. Colossal drop-off.

[AtheJ415]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/woiverticalnba/status/699366185377361926[/tweet]

Nevermind it's fake. I always fall for it. Blame it on Coro, he retweeted it.

I can't believe he didn't proof read. Where the hell did he get that tweet from anyway?

If that trade were true, it would be the first time Riley was truly fleeced in a trade.

He got fleeced for Dragic.

[bwgood77]

I am new to this forum and I'm a huge Suns fan, but one guy I really like is Bruno Caboclo in Toronto. Also, Mcdonough doesnt redeem himself I think Sarver has to get rid of him.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was a guy we targeted along with a pick of sorts.

Agreed. Patterson, filler, and either Bruno or Wright plus their 1st for Tucker and Morris seems about right.

Sounds good to me. Caboclo is kind of the guy you want and hope would be a star, but I love Wright, who is probably pretty much a sure thing. He was awesome at Utah and was first team PAC12 both years there and also on the all defensive PAC12 team. Great at steals, and good size for a PG at 6'5. I could seriously see him and Booker as our starting backcourt in the future if we somehow got rid of Knight and Bledsoe, or used Knight at 6th man, and/or if Bledsoe can stay healthy, Wright would be a great backup pg.

[AtheJ415]

At this point? Maybe it could. I'm assuming we'd have to add a pick to make the Wolves take on BK contract.

Disagree. Rubio is arguably the worst jump shooter ever. His value is so grossly overstated on fan boards due to the love for "pass first" PGs. Teams routinely can double at will off of him, and dare him to shoot in crunch time. He has a lot of positives, but his negatives are really, truly awful.

Possibly, but this season Ricky's oRtg/dRtg is a +3 where BK's is a -1. Players can get better in their shot over the years. Ricky shoots 83% from the line, so maybe other shots can be fixed. Kidd got significantly better shooting threes late in his career.

Rubio's shooting form is just awful. The way he shoots and the arc makes it so that he has to be perfect to make a shot. His jumper needs so much work that I'm not sold it will improve. It should be fairly easy to make large improvements given how awful he is, and yet he hasn't made really any real gains despite playing pro basketball since forever.

[Blkbrd671]

You guys hearing anything about Kieff on your end? i looked over nearly all the Detroit beat writer articles, no rumors or anything of that sort.

[bwgood77]

I think the Cavaliers have to do something. It is doubtful they will beat the top Western Conference teams as currently constructed. That team is just not that good outside of Lebron, Irving, and Love. And Love is having a bad year. He really has had two underwhelming years in a row for them. Nowhere near superstar level. 16 and 10 last season and 16 and 10 this season. Plus he is shooting terribly for a power forward. 43% fg last season and less than 42% fg this season. Compare these two seasons to his last year with the Timberwolves where he average about 26 and 13 on 46% fg. Colossal drop-off.

Well he's more of a role player now. 16 and 10 is pretty good all things considered. A big reason his fg% is down so low is because about half of his shots are 3s by design. Of course he's not going to have as good as stats as he did on the Wolves. Bosh had a huge hit to his stats too when he went to Miami.

I think they have pretty good role players in JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, Shumpert, Dellavedova, Mo Williams.

The bad thing for all teams is that GS and SA are historically good. It's not the Cavs fault or OKC's fault. In normal years the way they are playing they would probably be bound to meet in the finals.

[Sunsdeuce]

Well, Twitter hasn't broke anything so far. We gonna have to wait till the last second, I have a feeling.

[Saberestar]

You guys hearing anything about Kieff on your end? i looked over nearly all the Detroit beat writer articles, no rumors or anything of that sort.

No rumors.

[bwgood77]

There is really ZERO reason to keep Telly...sure get the best offer, but there is no reason...

...Telly should be more like 100% because I see no good reason to keep him.

I don't understand your thinking that there's no good reason to keep Telly?

Yes I understand that he's an expiring and the Suns don't have Bird Rights for him...i.e. there's a good chance he leaves this summer. But I like his play. Maybe he likes it in Phoenix. I think he's a "better Ryan Anderson" that might just accept 8 or 9 million per to stay.

For me, unless the FO is quite sure he'd like to stretch 4 elsewhere or the Suns don't need him for packaging in a larger deal, I'd like to see the Suns make a strong attempt to retain him in FA season.

...or (hush hush) work out a hand shake deal with Teletovic now.. get a little something for him before the deadline, then sign him back this off season.

Oh, if they can keep him, I'm all for it. But I think it's probably better to go that route with Leuer, who I think is an all around better player, is four years younger, and shoots about the same from 3...Telly is 40.5% and Leuer is 40.2%. Funny thing is I just pulled up our team on basketball ref to look at 3pt % and we have 5 guys at 40% or better...Booker at 40.3%, and Warren at exactly 40%....and the guy at the top, blowing everyone away?......I know everyone will guess this one....WEEMS, at 43.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2016.html?lid=header_teams

But Telly's volume is much higher than everyone else, and obviously Weems is pretty small....like 13-30.

[Blkbrd671]

Well, Twitter hasn't broke anything so far. We gonna have to wait till the last second, I have a feeling.

don't know why, but i feel like Detroits going to get kieff at the deadline and its going to be for a decent package, at which point we are all going to debate "what did they turn down!?"

[letsgosuns]

I think the Cavaliers have to do something. It is doubtful they will beat the top Western Conference teams as currently constructed. That team is just not that good outside of Lebron, Irving, and Love. And Love is having a bad year. He really has had two underwhelming years in a row for them. Nowhere near superstar level. 16 and 10 last season and 16 and 10 this season. Plus he is shooting terribly for a power forward. 43% fg last season and less than 42% fg this season. Compare these two seasons to his last year with the Timberwolves where he average about 26 and 13 on 46% fg. Colossal drop-off.

Well he's more of a role player now. 16 and 10 is pretty good all things considered. A big reason his fg% is down so low is because about half of his shots are 3s by design. Of course he's not going to have as good as stats as he did on the Wolves. Bosh had a huge hit to his stats too when he went to Miami.

I think they have pretty good role players in JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, Shumpert, Dellavedova, Mo Williams.

The bad thing for all teams is that GS and SA are historically good. It's not the Cavs fault or OKC's fault. In normal years the way they are playing they would probably be bound to meet in the finals.

The fact that he turned into a role player for them is the problem though. 16 and 10 is not bad but it is not good when you are paid 22 million a year and in the first year of a five year contract. The Cavaliers acquired him to be a main part of a big three. He has not played like an all star and some people argue he is not even the best power forward on the team. Also, I really do not like any of their role players.

[Sunsss]

Well, Twitter hasn't broke anything so far. We gonna have to wait till the last second, I have a feeling.

don't know why, but i feel like Detroits going to get kieff at the deadline and its going to be for a decent package, at which point we are all going to debate "what did they turn down!?"

Doubt it. SVG likes his stretch 4's and we're not a good trade partner.

[saintEscaton]

Telly is a poor man's Ryan Anderson on a prove it deal. Rather keep Leuer as a rotational Stretch 4 because he's on a bargain contract for another year and consistently crashes the boards even though he's not as deadeye as a marksman. Also will come cheaper because Telly dissuaded any fearws that he didn't recover from the pulmonary embolism and will thus command top dollar