Guide to the NBA trade deadline: Magic (Fan Thoughts)

[Magic_Johnny12]

Credit to the Vertical (Yahoo Sports) for the general idea, just thought it would be interesting to hear everyone's take before the deadline.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/guide-to-the-nba-trade-deadline--magic-000103353.html

Vertical Thoughts

HANG UP IF THEY ASK ABOUT
- Mario Hezonja
- Aaron Gordon
- Victor Oladipo
- Elfrid Payton

UP FOR DEBATE (Explore only if the price is right)
- Tobias Harris
- Channing Frye
- Nikola Vucevic
- Evan Fournier

WORTH TAKING THE CALL

No one

My thoughts...

HANG UP IF THEY ASK ABOUT (Untouchables)

- Mario Hezonja
- Aaron Gordon



These guys are studs and will become stars in this league and their personal development will solely determine Orlando's future. Oozing potential and would truly be a win-now move if traded, Henny know's our true contender window isn't anytime soon so trading away our two youngest players with most potential for a ready now player would be very short sighted. I do not see them being moved any time soon.

UP FOR DEBATE (Explore only if the price is right)

Near untouchable/I will only listen to offers for the of likes of Butler/Cousins/Griffins and clear overpays

- Elfrid Payton
- Nikola Vucevic
- Victor Oladipo



I'm really high on Elfrid and feel like he could be the missing catalyst on a contending team, like the players above only in his second year you could see the potential there just needs more grooming and feel as his "floor" is Rondo. Only trades that headline a true star would I include/think about trading him. For ex. I would NOT trade him for Jeff Teague.

Say what you say about Vucevic, but I genuinely think he get's most of the blame for "other" players defensive mistakes. He is the only player on our team that currently has an ELITE skill. Homer or not Vuc is a special kind of player in every regard and I believe could be a starting center on a championship team. He has been our most consistent player since the Dwight trade and sincerely feel he can average 25/12/3/1 IF paired with a consistent PF like Horford (we seen a glimpse of him and our poor man's version of Horford go to work in Atlanta). This team would literally be competing with Philly for the worst record if he wasn't on our team.

Victor could easily be in the "worth taking the call" section as I feel Evan Fournier can somewhat replicate Victor's effort, BUT his value and potential is still there and Fourniers production shouldn't automatically make Victor expendable as I feel Victor brings a lot of different things to this team but I do feel one or the other will NOT be here by next season. I personally would prefer giving Fournier Middelton money this off season than giving Oladipo max money next season when the cap should see it's highest rise.

WORTH TAKING THE CALL

- Tobias Harris
- Evan Fournier
- Channing Frye

For the simple fact of how the team is currently structured (they all have value in their own right). Harris because Gordon could easily replace his production and Evan plays better when slid to the SF position and shouldn't be paying 16m for a bench player. Fournier because Hezonja needs more time and will eventually start for this team, and his price tag for his impending free agency. Frye because Gordon is clearly our SF/PF of the future and value could be at a all time high.

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There seems to be a lot of debate on who's untouchable/tradeable on these boards so would be interesting to hear each fans personal thoughts on that subject. Doesn't have to go into such depth as I but quick thoughts prior to deadline would be fun, and as always this is simple fun debate and personal opinions are more than welcomed.

[Patrick1978]

Credit to the Vertical (Yahoo Sports) for the general idea, just thought it would be interesting to hear everyone's take before the deadline.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/guide-to-the-nba-trade-deadline--magic-000103353.html

Vertical Thoughts

HANG UP IF THEY ASK ABOUT
- Mario Hezonja
- Aaron Gordon
- Victor Oladipo
- Elfrid Payton

UP FOR DEBATE (Explore only if the price is right)
- Tobias Harris
- Channing Frye
- Nikola Vucevic
- Evan Fournier

WORTH TAKING THE CALL

No one

My thoughts...

HANG UP IF THEY ASK ABOUT (Untouchables)

- Mario Hezonja
- Aaron Gordon



These guys are studs and will become stars in this league and their personal development will solely determine Orlando's future. Oozing potential and would truly be a win-now move if traded, Henny know's our true contender window isn't anytime soon so trading away our two youngest players with most potential for a ready now player would be very short sighted. I do not see them being moved any time soon.

UP FOR DEBATE (Explore only if the price is right)

Near untouchable/I will only listen to offers for the of likes of Butler/Cousins/Griffins and clear overpays

- Elfrid Payton
- Nikola Vucevic
- Victor Oladipo



I'm really high on Elfrid and feel like he could be the missing catalyst on a contending team, like the players above only in his second year you could see the potential there just needs more grooming and feel as his "floor" is Rondo. Only trades that headline a true star would I include/think about trading him. For ex. I would NOT trade him for Jeff Teague.

Say what you say about Vucevic, but I genuinely think he get's most of the blame for "other" players defensive mistakes. He is the only player on our team that currently has an ELITE skill. Homer or not Vuc is a special kind of player in every regard and I believe could be a starting center on a championship team. He has been our most consistent player since the Dwight trade and sincerely feel he can average 25/12/3/1 IF paired with a consistent PF like Horford (we seen a glimpse of him and our poor man's version of Horford go to work in Atlanta). This team would literally be competing with Philly for the worst record if he wasn't on our team.

Victor could easily be in the "worth taking the call" section as I feel Evan Fournier can somewhat replicate Victor's effort, BUT his value and potential is still there and Fourniers production shouldn't automatically make Victor expendable as I feel Victor brings a lot of different things to this team but I do feel one or the other will NOT be here by next season. I personally would prefer giving Fournier Middelton money this off season than giving Oladipo max money next season when the cap should see it's highest rise.

WORTH TAKING THE CALL

- Tobias Harris
- Evan Fournier
- Channing Frye

For the simple fact of how the team is currently structured (they all have value in their own right). Harris because Gordon could easily replace his production and Evan plays better when slid to the SF position and shouldn't be paying 16m for a bench player. Fournier because Hezonja needs more time and will eventually start for this team, and his price tag for his impending free agency. Frye because Gordon is clearly our SF/PF of the future and value could be at a all time high.

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There seems to be a lot of debate on who's untouchable/tradeable on these boards so would be interesting to hear each fans personal thoughts on that subject. Doesn't have to go into such depth as I but quick thoughts prior to deadline would be fun, and as always this is simple fun debate and personal opinions are more than welcomed.

For me gordon ,hezonja ,payton are the future of the franchise.They must remain here.
The others are all available

[the_hobo]

Idk Payton has flashes but I'm losing interest in him. Too inconsistent. Can't even score a bucket in the rising stars challenge.

[drsd]

Idk Payton has flashes but I'm losing interest in him. Too inconsistent. Can't even score a bucket in the rising stars challenge.

It takes years to learn how to be an effective NBA PG.


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[j-ragg]

Say what you say about Vucevic, but I genuinely think he get's most of the blame for "other" players defensive mistakes. He is the only player on our team that currently has an ELITE skill. Homer or not Vuc is a special kind of player in every regard and I believe could be a starting center on a championship team. He has been our most consistent player since the Dwight trade and sincerely feel he can average 25/12/3/1 IF paired with a consistent PF like Horford (we seen a glimpse of him and our poor man's version of Horford go to work in Atlanta). This team would literally be competing with Philly for the worst record if he wasn't on our team.

Not trying to come at you I think it was a nice long write up. But what is Vucevic's elite skill? I would say probably his mid range jumper is elite but that's it. We've disproven this myth he's an elite offensive player because he isn't efficient enough to be even considered above average offensively. Also those numbers are incredibly lofty lol like... you'd be an All-NBA player with them.

He probably does get the blame for defensive lapses but that's kind of the reason I and other posters want a defensive center. The center covers up for the rest of the team (ideally). In today's NBA guards are impossible to keep in check without fouling. Our guys definitely haven't done a great job or anything but even the best defenders let their guys get in the lane a ton of the time.

[tiderulz]

Idk Payton has flashes but I'm losing interest in him. Too inconsistent. Can't even score a bucket in the rising stars challenge.

It takes years to learn how to be an effective NBA PG.
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no, it doesnt. it may takes years to be a star, but especially a 3 year college player, it shouldnt take years to be effective. and his issue isnt being effective, its being consistent every night

[Audi]

Idk Payton has flashes but I'm losing interest in him. Too inconsistent. Can't even score a bucket in the rising stars challenge.

It takes years to learn how to be an effective NBA PG.
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no, it doesnt. it may takes years to be a star, but especially a 3 year college player, it shouldnt take years to be effective. and his issue isnt being effective, its being consistent every night

True, that is his main issue right now and I'm not really sure what it is holding him back. Could be a mental or physical, or just his character. Truth is though, he really only needs to be consistent in the playoffs. It seems he tends to turn on his burners when he needs to come up big, so that does bode well.

[Fiddlesticks]

It takes years to learn how to be an effective NBA PG.
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no, it doesnt. it may takes years to be a star, but especially a 3 year college player, it shouldnt take years to be effective. and his issue isnt being effective, its being consistent every night

True, that is his main issue right now and I'm not really sure what it is holding him back. Could be a mental or physical, or just his character. Truth is though, he really only needs to be consistent in the playoffs. It seems he tends to turn on his burners when he needs to come up big, so that does bode well.

EP is not where we all want him to be at this point in his career But we have seen Flashes that keep us hopeful. Not every player matures at the same speed maybe next year everything clicks he turns a corner and Boom we have a star Or Maybe it just never happens, No can argue there have not been plenty of talented players in the NBA who for whatever reason where a role player at best. EP Case should be wait and see. I would not trade him,AG,Mario or Vuc.

[monchief]

It takes years to learn how to be an effective NBA PG.
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no, it doesnt. it may takes years to be a star, but especially a 3 year college player, it shouldnt take years to be effective. and his issue isnt being effective, its being consistent every night

True, that is his main issue right now and I'm not really sure what it is holding him back. Could be a mental or physical, or just his character. Truth is though, he really only needs to be consistent in the playoffs. It seems he tends to turn on his burners when he needs to come up big, so that does bode well.

He's held back because he is an awful shooter, and it cripples the offense. Expecting someone to be consistent in a playoff environment who can't get it done in regular season games?

Other teams would absolutely embarrass Elfrid in the playoffs. Defense gets ramped up and the entire defensive focus would be to force him to take 20-25 shots a game. Just imagine the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarters this season, but for 48 minutes. Don't wanna see that as a Magic fan.

[ChiefWiggumz]

Trades are about exchanging values, which are the players and their contracts.

We aren't going to get **** for Fournier because of his expiring contract. But, we have depth at SG.

This leaves Victor the odd man out unfortunately. But this gives us a lot more leverage to land an all star big man.

Payton can be great next to a consistent scorer, which Oladipo is not. Fournier and Hezonja are more so in the mold. Especially Hezonja. They are also both bigger than Oladipo.

This is why trading players like Dipo and Harris make sense. Both are tweener types, both have value, and both don't fit perfectly with the rest of our roster. We need to go all out for an all star caliber big man, and some more shooting.

[NBlue]

Trades are about exchanging values, which are the players and their contracts.

We aren't going to get **** for Fournier because of his expiring contract. But, we have depth at SG.

This leaves Victor the odd man out unfortunately. But this gives us a lot more leverage to land an all star big man.

Payton can be great next to a consistent scorer, which Oladipo is not. Fournier and Hezonja are more so in the mold. Especially Hezonja. They are also both bigger than Oladipo.

This is why trading players like Dipo and Harris make sense. Both are tweener types, both have value, and both don't fit perfectly with the rest of our roster. We need to go all out for an all star caliber big man, and some more shooting.

I don't believe that to be accurate. Evan is a RFA. Unless I have missed something, that RFA would transfer with him in a trade as it did when he was traded to us. If he was an UFA then I would agree that his trade value would be diminished but as a RFA a team could still have a right to control him as long as they are willing to meet the market.

[Mc-o]

Say what you say about Vucevic, but I genuinely think he get's most of the blame for "other" players defensive mistakes. He is the only player on our team that currently has an ELITE skill. Homer or not Vuc is a special kind of player in every regard and I believe could be a starting center on a championship team. He has been our most consistent player since the Dwight trade and sincerely feel he can average 25/12/3/1 IF paired with a consistent PF like Horford (we seen a glimpse of him and our poor man's version of Horford go to work in Atlanta). This team would literally be competing with Philly for the worst record if he wasn't on our team.

Not trying to come at you I think it was a nice long write up. But what is Vucevic's elite skill? I would say probably his mid range jumper is elite but that's it. We've disproven this myth he's an elite offensive player because he isn't efficient enough to be even considered above average offensively. Also those numbers are incredibly lofty lol like... you'd be an All-NBA player with them.

He probably does get the blame for defensive lapses but that's kind of the reason I and other posters want a defensive center. The center covers up for the rest of the team (ideally). In today's NBA guards are impossible to keep in check without fouling. Our guys definitely haven't done a great job or anything but even the best defenders let their guys get in the lane a ton of the time.

I think it's easy to under appreciate Vuc because we get used to how many ways he can score and he makes it seem easy . Like when Vuc doesn't make a shot I'm kind of surprised . To me when Vuc plays with energy he is one of the top big men in the league . He may not be a shot blocker but when he is playing hard he is a decent defender and the least of our worries . We can't just replace him with a "Defensive center " , we would need someone who is atleast serviceable on offense and then get a go to scorer on the wing , both of which will
Be hard to find . I don't see us trading Vuc unless it's for a star . I say he is part of our core . We can be a good defense team with him at center , we were at the beginning of the year, but as a team the effort has gone down on that end

[j-ragg]

Say what you say about Vucevic, but I genuinely think he get's most of the blame for "other" players defensive mistakes. He is the only player on our team that currently has an ELITE skill. Homer or not Vuc is a special kind of player in every regard and I believe could be a starting center on a championship team. He has been our most consistent player since the Dwight trade and sincerely feel he can average 25/12/3/1 IF paired with a consistent PF like Horford (we seen a glimpse of him and our poor man's version of Horford go to work in Atlanta). This team would literally be competing with Philly for the worst record if he wasn't on our team.

Not trying to come at you I think it was a nice long write up. But what is Vucevic's elite skill? I would say probably his mid range jumper is elite but that's it. We've disproven this myth he's an elite offensive player because he isn't efficient enough to be even considered above average offensively. Also those numbers are incredibly lofty lol like... you'd be an All-NBA player with them.

He probably does get the blame for defensive lapses but that's kind of the reason I and other posters want a defensive center. The center covers up for the rest of the team (ideally). In today's NBA guards are impossible to keep in check without fouling. Our guys definitely haven't done a great job or anything but even the best defenders let their guys get in the lane a ton of the time.

I think it's easy to under appreciate Vuc because we get used to how many ways he can score and he makes it seem easy . Like when Vuc doesn't make a shot I'm kind of surprised . To me when Vuc plays with energy he is one of the top big men in the league . He may not be a shot blocker but when he is playing hard he is a decent defender and the least of our worries . We can't just replace him with a "Defensive center " , we would need someone who is atleast serviceable on offense and then get a go to scorer on the wing , both of which will
Be hard to find . I don't see us trading Vuc unless it's for a star . I say he is part of our core . We can be a good defense team with him at center , we were at the beginning of the year, but as a team the effort has gone down on that end

Okay you spit a bunch of opinions how you think he's under valued but why? You agree he isn't a good defender. You say his moves dazzle you. But he's below average efficiency as an offensive player, which is supposed to be where his value lies. His rebounding has regressed as well.

[OrlChamps2030]

Say what you say about Vucevic, but I genuinely think he get's most of the blame for "other" players defensive mistakes. He is the only player on our team that currently has an ELITE skill. Homer or not Vuc is a special kind of player in every regard and I believe could be a starting center on a championship team. He has been our most consistent player since the Dwight trade and sincerely feel he can average 25/12/3/1 IF paired with a consistent PF like Horford (we seen a glimpse of him and our poor man's version of Horford go to work in Atlanta). This team would literally be competing with Philly for the worst record if he wasn't on our team.

Vuc could put up 25/12/3/1... if he was playing for the Sixers/Lakers and got >40mpg and 25 fga's

[Mc-o]

Not trying to come at you I think it was a nice long write up. But what is Vucevic's elite skill? I would say probably his mid range jumper is elite but that's it. We've disproven this myth he's an elite offensive player because he isn't efficient enough to be even considered above average offensively. Also those numbers are incredibly lofty lol like... you'd be an All-NBA player with them.

He probably does get the blame for defensive lapses but that's kind of the reason I and other posters want a defensive center. The center covers up for the rest of the team (ideally). In today's NBA guards are impossible to keep in check without fouling. Our guys definitely haven't done a great job or anything but even the best defenders let their guys get in the lane a ton of the time.

I think it's easy to under appreciate Vuc because we get used to how many ways he can score and he makes it seem easy . Like when Vuc doesn't make a shot I'm kind of surprised . To me when Vuc plays with energy he is one of the top big men in the league . He may not be a shot blocker but when he is playing hard he is a decent defender and the least of our worries . We can't just replace him with a "Defensive center " , we would need someone who is atleast serviceable on offense and then get a go to scorer on the wing , both of which will
Be hard to find . I don't see us trading Vuc unless it's for a star . I say he is part of our core . We can be a good defense team with him at center , we were at the beginning of the year, but as a team the effort has gone down on that end

Okay you spit a bunch of opinions how you think he's under valued but why? You agree he isn't a good defender. You say his moves dazzle you. But he's below average efficiency as an offensive player, which is supposed to be where his value lies. His rebounding has regressed as well.

I mentioned why I think he is under valued. , "he can score in multiple ways" , he is the only player that teams actually have to worry about on a consistent basis and the only player we have ever get doubled this season , and I never said he "dazzles" me lol (actually first time I use that word ) ! All I'm saying is that getting just a defensive c to replace him is going to cause more problems for us . Unless we replace him with a star big , which isn't happening , so he is our best fit . He is the least of our worries .

[zelenooq]

AG,EP,VO,MH and Vooch are untouchable
if harris wants to go to the bench and be 6th player and no too much money than ok, he should stay
if fournier wants to go to the bench and be 7th player and no too much money than ok, he should stay

[TheShoe1010]

HANG UP IF THEY ASK ABOUT
- Mario Hezonja
- Aaron Gordon
- Elfrid Payton

UP FOR DEBATE (Explore only if the price is right)
- Nikola Vucevic
- Victor Oladipo

WORTH TAKING THE CALL
- Evan Fournier
- Tobias Harris
- Channing Frye

That's how I would lay it out.

I'd love to move a combination of Fournier/Harris/Frye and maybe a pick for a shot a good big man to play next to Vooch. Also to free up some minutes for AG - I want to see him get as many minutes as possible in the second half.

[Blue_and_Whte]

It would be a mistake to move Victor unless it's a clear upgrade. We shouldn't cater The team to Payton he'll have enough shooters/scorers in Hezonja/Fournier at the 3, Vooch at the 5. Oladipo is fine next to Payton. Harris/Frye/An/picks can all go imo.

[Mc-o]

It would be a mistake to move Victor unless it's a clear upgrade. We shouldn't cater The team to Payton he'll have enough shooters/scorers in Hezonja/Fournier at the 3, Vooch at the 5. Oladipo is fine next to Payton. Harris/Frye/An/picks can all go imo.

Yup , I just don't see us making a move , I don't really see anything worthwhile really available . I think we want to make a move but it takes 2 sides to make a deal and from the small amount of info out there it seems like teams are all asking too much and other than Blake their is no real stars available . Rob may be forced to wait till the offseason . And it gives all our players a chance to show something to the rest of the league . I think if we make a deal it will a smLl deal involving frye .