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Re: The Trade Thread - The end of the phenomenal Kieff/Tucker era? 50 hours and counting... 

Post#221 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:18 pm

Cutter wrote:Looks like Knight getting ready to return. Pay special attention to the bolded comments by the coach.

Suns Report: Knight, Price near return to action, Goodwin nears return to bench role
By Deadpoolio on Feb 16, 2016, 9:00a 56


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The imminent returns of Brandon Knight and Ronnie Price from injury will return two point guards to the active roster but will also end Archie Goodwin's career-best stretch as a starter.

The trade deadline is just two days away, but even if the Phoenix Suns stand pat on Thursday, the roster for the final 28 games will be a different one than head coach Earl Watson was working with on Feb. 10.

While it is easy to forget, both Brandon Knight (sports hernia) and Ronnie Price (toe surgery) are returning to health and nearing a return to action that was predicted to come shortly after the All-Star break. The precise dates have yet to be determined, but their returns should provide some normalcy to the rotations for the injury-riddled Suns.

"Eventually we get 20 points a game back from Brandon Knight," Watson said as he looked ahead to both players' returns after the Suns' most recent loss to Golden State. "We get Ronnie Price, intangibles. Archie (Goodwin) can go to his natural spot. Devin (Booker) will play less minutes but be effective still."

Knight was averaging a career-high 19.7 points for the Suns this season to go along with 5.1 assists until the injury, which had bothered him since late December, became too much for him to play through.

Over the first 32 games of the season, Knight offered the Suns flashes of what he could bring but did so with frustrating irregularity. After backcourt mate Eric Bledsoe tore his meniscus on Dec. 26, Knight's up-and-down season took a nosedive. His numbers were poorer in almost every statistical category despite now being the team's primary weapon. Perhaps those struggles can be attributed to the limitations placed upon him by the injury, but the fact remains the Suns went 1-9 in Knight's 10 games flying solo. Still, the Suns will welcome the owner of Phoenix's two highest-scoring games of the season with open arms, whenever his return comes.

"I hope Brandon is close," Watson said in his pregame press conference Feb. 10. "I think this break is going to be big for him, making sure he gets his treatment as he goes back home to Florida. It's important for him to stay professional and maybe get two treatments a day because he's needed. When you have guys who are starters and play big minutes, I think it's important for them to, not rush, but come back as quickly as possible."

While Watson could use Knight's contributions to the lineup immediately, he has stressed to the player that his return will come when Knight feels physically capable and not a moment sooner.

"I never want to rush a player back because I've been injured, and I understand," Watson said. "I've been rushed back before, and it leads to another injury.

"He wants to play. We're sure of that 100 percent."

Then there is Price, the third-string point guard who averaged only 4.2 points over his 34 games before undergoing mid-January surgery on his right great toe but was shooting a career-high 38.1 percent from 3. Despite unimpressive numbers, he earned 14.8 minutes per game under former coach Jeff Hornacek for being one of the few players who consistently brought maximum effort every game. Unsurprisingly, Price's on-court tenacity has bled into his rehab.

"We have to keep Ronnie Price out of practice," Watson said. "Ronnie Price is the guy who will play with one foot, and he's a warrior. He texts me sometimes after games. He wants to play. He's ready to be a part of the team."

With Knight close to returning and Price apparently champing at the bit to harass ball-handlers once again, the player who stands to be most affected by the freshly healed point guard corps is Archie Goodwin.

Goodwin has started the past 11 games at point guard since the Suns lost the last of their true point guards — Knight — to injury on Jan. 21. In that time, he has averaged 16.8 points, 4.5 assists, and 3.8 turnovers in 35.4 minutes per game. Of his seven career games scoring 20-plus points, six have come over this stretch. However, his effort has been lacking at times over the same period of time, most notably in the Golden State game, that led to P.J. Tucker shouting at Goodwin for not chasing the opening tip that went out of bounds and Markieff Morris resorting to using one of his patented motivational shoves on Goodwin at the bench.

Now, with Knight soon to be stepping back into his starter's spot, Goodwin will be returning to the bench and a role of about 20 minutes per game — if Price doesn't ninja-loot those minutes first. Looked at from a positive perspective, it will provide Goodwin with the opportunity to prove he can produce just as well in a smaller role, which will be key for him in finding consistent minutes on an NBA team. The worst-case scenario would be seeing Goodwin sulk at having his minutes halved after enjoying the first extended burn of his career.

Watson has said time and again that team trumps player, and having Knight and Price back healthy is what is best for the team. From there, the onus falls to Goodwin to prove he, too, is all about the team and give consistent effort when he takes the court, whether it's for five or 35 minutes a night.


Booker is an unstoppable force. It only makes sense that Devin gets less minutes when Knight comes back, he can't get more. He probably needs a little less just to keep his legs. I would think 30 or so is ideal. Knight has to play. We can't trade him if we don't play him.
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Re: The Trade Thread - The end of the phenomenal Kieff/Tucker era? 50 hours and counting... 

Post#222 » by Cutter » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:19 pm

On the Bickley and Morita today show they reported they are hearing some noise that Suns are trying to bring Channing Frye back to Phoenix and would ship out Brandon Knight to Orlando.

Bickley acknowledged it doesn't make much sense as a trade, but there is a little rumbling in this direction.
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Re: The Trade Thread - The end of the phenomenal Kieff/Tucker era? 50 hours and counting... 

Post#223 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:20 pm

Shoot the Harris to Detroit deal sucks because that take two potential landing spots for keif off the list.

I would have been very happy with Harris for keif and salary filler. Wonder if the suns tried and were shot down.
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Re: The Trade Thread - The end of the phenomenal Kieff/Tucker era? 50 hours and counting... 

Post#224 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:22 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/spearsnbayahoo/status/699673346070355969[/tweet]

That takes the magic out of the mix, I guess.
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Re: The Trade Thread - The end of the phenomenal Kieff/Tucker era? 50 hours and counting... 

Post#225 » by ray ray » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:24 pm

Suns asking price for Kieff is too high.. Two teams in the west to watch for. Pelicans and Rockets
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Post#226 » by King4Day » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:24 pm

Cutter wrote:On the Bickley and Morita today show they reported they are hearing some noise that Suns are trying to bring Channing Frye back to Phoenix and would ship out Brandon Knight to Orlando.

Bickley acknowledged it doesn't make much sense as a trade, but there is a little rumbling in this direction.


I imagine with Jennings going to Orlando, that ends this rumor
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Post#227 » by TeamTragic » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:24 pm

Cutter wrote:On the Bickley and Morita today show they reported they are hearing some noise that Suns are trying to bring Channing Frye back to Phoenix and would ship out Brandon Knight to Orlando.

Bickley acknowledged it doesn't make much sense as a trade, but there is a little rumbling in this direction.


Frye for Knight? GTFO Hennigan
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Post#228 » by ray ray » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:25 pm

Teams want to get Kieff for basically nothing. The Suns are NOT going to trade Kieff for trash
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Post#229 » by TeamTragic » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:26 pm

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Cutter wrote:On the Bickley and Morita today show they reported they are hearing some noise that Suns are trying to bring Channing Frye back to Phoenix and would ship out Brandon Knight to Orlando.

Bickley acknowledged it doesn't make much sense as a trade, but there is a little rumbling in this direction.


I imagine with Jennings going to Orlando, that ends this rumor


Good. Orlando can keep their garbage. That Jennings trade :lol:

ray ray wrote:Suns asking price for Kieff is too high.. Two teams in the west to watch for. Pelicans and Rockets

ray ray wrote:Teams want to get Kieff for basically nothing. The Suns are NOT going to trade Kieff for trash


I would rather wait until the off-season. Desperate teams that strike out in FA will settle for a good player.
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Re: The Trade Thread - The end of the phenomenal Kieff/Tucker era? 50 hours and counting... 

Post#230 » by aIvin adams » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:28 pm

ray ray wrote:Teams want to get Kieff for basically nothing. The Suns are NOT going to trade Kieff for trash


i realized that markieff is going to remain on the Suns just now when i learned about that Magic-Pistons trade

the pistons basically got tobias harris, who is better than markieff, for almost nothing

not even a late first round pick thrown in. crazy
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Re: The Trade Thread - The end of the phenomenal Kieff/Tucker era? 50 hours and counting... 

Post#231 » by King4Day » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:29 pm

ray ray wrote:Teams want to get Kieff for basically nothing. The Suns are NOT going to trade Kieff for trash


Given how little Detroit gave up for Harris (IMO), I see no way we find a partner for Kieff by this deadline.
Glad we aren’t going to just unload him for nothing.

Guess he’ll be suspended afterall.
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Post#232 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:31 pm

A Harris-Morris front line is just stupid.
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Post#233 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:36 pm

Cutter wrote:On the Bickley and Morita today show they reported they are hearing some noise that Suns are trying to bring Channing Frye back to Phoenix and would ship out Brandon Knight to Orlando.

Bickley acknowledged it doesn't make much sense as a trade, but there is a little rumbling in this direction.



There's no way. Just look at it with any semblence of logic. What purpose does Channing Frye, at his age and contract, serve on this team? He does nothing that Leuer or Tele don't already do better at cheaper contracts and younger ages.

And to trade Knight to get him? It just won't happen. If anything, Knight is involved to attempt to get one of their actual guys of value (Gordon, Fournier, Harris), and Frye has to come back to make salaries work. There is no way we are actually targetting Frye and putting 24 year olds on the table to get him.
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Post#234 » by TeamTragic » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:37 pm

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Cutter wrote:On the Bickley and Morita today show they reported they are hearing some noise that Suns are trying to bring Channing Frye back to Phoenix and would ship out Brandon Knight to Orlando.

Bickley acknowledged it doesn't make much sense as a trade, but there is a little rumbling in this direction.



There's no way. Just look at it with any semblence of logic. What purpose does Channing Frye, at his age and contract, serve on this team? He does nothing that Leuer or Tele don't already do better at cheaper contracts and younger ages.

And to trade Knight to get him? It just won't happen. If anything, Knight is involved to attempt to get one of their actual guys of value (Gordon, Fournier, Harris), and Frye has to come back to make salaries work. There is no way we are actually targetting Frye and putting 24 year olds on the table to get him.


Can you believe that the Magic FO thinks we are going to take back Channing Frye? What a joke :lol:
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Post#235 » by MathiasPW » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:38 pm

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MVSteve wrote:Saw somewhere this morning that Ben McLemore might be available. You guys think we'd have any interest? I know we have a lot of guards already, and I don't know exactly what the Kings would want, but I wouldn't mind bringing him in. If one of Knight/Bledsoe leaves we'd have a little more room for another young guy with potential.

Nah. We've got Booker who is already shaping up to be better than McLemore.


Man McLemore has all the talent and athleticism, the problem with him is all mental. I think that's why he slipped so far in the draft right?


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Post#236 » by BobbieL » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:38 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/spearsnbayahoo/status/699673346070355969[/tweet]

That takes the magic out of the mix, I guess.



Both the Magic and Pistons are out of the Keiff trading

Woj reported the Raptors were out

Suns might just be keeping Kieff
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Post#237 » by TeamTragic » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:39 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/spearsnbayahoo/status/699673346070355969[/tweet]

That takes the magic out of the mix, I guess.



Both the Magic and Pistons are out of the Keiff trading

Woj reported the Raptors were out

Suns might just be keeping Kieff


Who gives a **** about the Raptors/Magic/Pistons? They were ALL low-balling as per usual.
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Post#238 » by BobbieL » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:39 pm

ray ray wrote:Suns asking price for Kieff is too high.. Two teams in the west to watch for. Pelicans and Rockets


The Ryan Anderson deal is still there now that Anderson is probably not going to Detroit

Suns are probably asking too much - I blame Sarver. If something is wrong - I just blame Sarver
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Post#239 » by TeamTragic » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:41 pm

BobbieL wrote:
ray ray wrote:Suns asking price for Kieff is too high.. Two teams in the west to watch for. Pelicans and Rockets


The Ryan Anderson deal is still there now that Anderson is probably not going to Detroit

Suns are probably asking too much - I blame Sarver. If something is wrong - I just blame Sarver


Pistons/Kings want to sign Rhino as a FA. Check the wiretap.
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Post#240 » by BobbieL » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:44 pm

Cutter wrote:On the Bickley and Morita today show they reported they are hearing some noise that Suns are trying to bring Channing Frye back to Phoenix and would ship out Brandon Knight to Orlando.

Bickley acknowledged it doesn't make much sense as a trade, but there is a little rumbling in this direction.


Oladipo and Frye for Knight and the Cavs pick?

just throwing darts - seeing what sticks

Knight for Frye makes no sense

Orlando would be shipping off long term deals for Harris, Frye for Knight and Ilysova. Ilysaova only has one year left after this. Frye has two. Knight and Harris are a wash long term. Magic would be also moving Oladipo to help sign Fournier.

Again, just throwing stuff at a wall..

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