Trade Discussion

[letsgosuns]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 23m23 minutes ago
Sources: Clippers are working on a bigger deal using Stephenson's contract, but that is a longshot. Most likely scenario still Orlando deal.


Knight, Markieff, and Tucker for Griffin and Stephenson works in the ESPN trade machine. I would even throw in a pick. Suns can then waive or buy out Stephenson since next year is a team option in his contract.

The Clippers can then still trade for Frye. They would become extremely versatile and and have a deep bench. Would definitely have far more firepower to play with against the Warriors.

[NaturalBuns]

With the acquisition of Harris, and perception wise getting us closer to contention, our board is a lot more willing to give up a first for Kieff. I still think there is a chance we acquire him

Do you want him though? He's a good player expecially if he can play with his brother again but having Jackson/Marcus/markieff and Tobias locked up long term like that you have to think what's your ceiling.

You wouldn't be flexible much after that for a few yrs

[bwgood77]

With the acquisition of Harris, and perception wise getting us closer to contention, our board is a lot more willing to give up a first for Kieff. I still think there is a chance we acquire him

That would be surprising.

[Fan from Dade]

Today, with injuries Morris is the best player on the team. He is apparently happier with the interim coach. Trading him now during a losing season for no value just doesn't make sense. The Suns should keep him if they don't get what they want of him.

[bwgood77]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 23m23 minutes ago
Sources: Clippers are working on a bigger deal using Stephenson's contract, but that is a longshot. Most likely scenario still Orlando deal.


Knight, Markieff, and Tucker for Griffin and Stephenson works in the ESPN trade machine. I would even throw in a pick. Suns can then waive or buy out Stephenson since next year is a team option in his contract.

The Clippers can then still trade for Frye. They would become extremely versatile and and have a deep bench. Would definitely have far more firepower to play with against the Warriors.

Are you sure you'd throw in a pick? You don't think Markieff, Knight and Tucker are enough for Blake Griffin?

[bwgood77]

Today, with injuries Morris is the best player on the team. He is apparently happier with the interim coach. Trading him now during a losing season for no value just doesn't make sense. The Suns should keep him if they don't get what they want of him.

Be good for ticket sales too, and season ticket renewals/sales for next season. I agree I'd keep him but Sarver HAS to want him gone for reasons like that.

[letsgosuns]

David Baumann ‏@DavidBaumannORL 13m13 minutes ago
Source: Channing Frye from ORL to LAC deal (per Woj) is NOTHING in comparison to what the #Magic were trying to pull off. Details to follow.

David Baumann ‏@DavidBaumannORL 7m7 minutes ago
*EXCLUSIVE* Source: @OrlandoMagic recently offered Vucevic & A. Gordon for @LAClippers' Blake Griffin (other assets involved). Offer denied.

https://twitter.com/DavidBaumannORL

[Mr Puddles]

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No Frye for us.

He's perfect for the Clips. Paul will like playing with him.

Agree. Deandre Jordan and Frye complement each other well as they are almost exact polar opposites at C position. Getting Frye allows the clippers to space the floor if needed, it makes them more dynamic as a team.

I'm not a fan of Frye but he comes at about 1 mil. a year less than Lance Stephenson and should be of more valuable to LAC. Solid trade for the Clippers overall.

[Blkbrd671]

With the acquisition of Harris, and perception wise getting us closer to contention, our board is a lot more willing to give up a first for Kieff. I still think there is a chance we acquire him

Do you want him though? He's a good player expecially if he can play with his brother again but having Jackson/Marcus/markieff and Tobias locked up long term like that you have to think what's your ceiling.

You wouldn't be flexible much after that for a few yrs

oh hell ya. i see its as this

I am assuming that with the acquisition of Harris, detroit will be well out of the lottery and anyone we end up picking with the first is going to take a while to produce and at best will be at Kieffs caliber of a player, however won't be on Kieffs bargain contract.

Also our core is RJ/KCP/SJ/Harris/Dre moving forward with Mook and Kieff , and looking at thier contracts with a rising cap, there shouldn't be a problem with moving them if we needed.

[Jdiddy701]

In case anybody cares, Markieff and Marcus have been in the gym the last couple of days. Their work ethic is so damn good. Wish they had half a brain.

Oh but now Morris twins and James Harden are in Vegas together. Lol


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[Kerrsed]

David Baumann ‏@DavidBaumannORL 13m13 minutes ago
Source: Channing Frye from ORL to LAC deal (per Woj) is NOTHING in comparison to what the #Magic were trying to pull off. Details to follow.

David Baumann ‏@DavidBaumannORL 7m7 minutes ago
*EXCLUSIVE* Source: @OrlandoMagic recently offered Vucevic & A. Gordon for @LAClippers' Blake Griffin (other assets involved). Offer denied.

https://twitter.com/DavidBaumannORL

Just goes to show who was the team BSing about the Clippers calling Denver.

[GetYourPHX]

Hmmmm, that's interesting, because all of the witnesses interviewed by the police minus Hood and his girlfriend said they couldn't identify any of the men in the fight. I guess RealGM has more info than Phoenix PD?

Seems like two 6'9" twins would be pretty identifiable to me.

Additionally, now that I'm looking into it, Hood himself said in a phone call to Mom Morris that Markieff wasn't involved in the assault.

This message board is just hoping and scratching for any reason to be pissed off.

I'm just telling you what was posted here before it was in the news. I don't put a lot of stock in insider info, but this was clearly posted here before anything came out about it.

So you are thinking there is a chance they may not have been involved in a fight at all?

Here's what I'll say - the Mo-Bro's lawyers went as far as to challenge the indictment itself. They lost, but that's still a pretty ballsy move. The Law School phrase is that a prosecutor "can indict a ham sandwich," and the MoBro's lawyers thought the state didn't even have enough to do that.

It could be nothing. The Mobros have the money to fight every small move the prosecutor makes, but the attorneys are ethically bound to make those arguments in good faith or risk losing their license.

I haven't read through the court documents, I don't know diddly about criminal law, and I can't offer any more specifics than what's readily available on the internet. But do I think there's reasonable doubt that the MoBro's were involved in the fight? Yes.

[Fan from Dade]

Today, with injuries Morris is the best player on the team. He is apparently happier with the interim coach. Trading him now during a losing season for no value just doesn't make sense. The Suns should keep him if they don't get what they want of him.

Be good for ticket sales too, and season ticket renewals/sales for next season. I agree I'd keep him but Sarver HAS to want him gone for reasons like that.

I'm not sure I agree that it will affect ticket sales that much. I could be wrong; I'm not from Phoenix so maybe you have a better idea of the demo but most season ticket holders will come back because they are season ticket holders. I don't think Morris loses fans at that alarming of a rate. Winning games the second half of the season is a better remedy and he is likely going to help you do that.

[LukasBMW]

Gambo has spoken. If this trade rumor doesn't tell you how far Gambo has fallen - nothing will. His sources, because "he is always working the phones, working the phones and I have a very, well high p'laced source.."

Gay for Kieff

First off, Teletovic or Tucker would have to be included

Second - why would the Suns take on a worse player plus, they have TJ Warren at SF or PJ Tucker

I just don't see this one

LOL. Rudy Gay for Keef and Teletovic would be such a McDonough move.

Rudy Gay is an isolation chucker. Much like a Brandon Knight in a SF body. Of course McDonough would be interested!

It also fits his fixNflip mold: Acquire a borderline allstar talent on a reasonable contract. Inflate his stats. Flip him.

It's so crazy, it just might work. You gotta figure Knight and Rudy can chuck away for the rest of the season. They could each average 20ppg. Then maybe we flip the two + a pick and maybe one more player for a true star.

Then we trade our top 5 pick for another star.

Then we try to sign a star in the offseason and convince him it's worth it to play with star 1, star 2, Bledsoe, and Booker.

[Sunsdeuce]

Damn do the Suns players have a lot of traffic tickets. Some speeding in excess of 85, lol. No registration too. No insurance. Got to love public records. There is 5 defendants in the Morris case, didn't know that.

Marcus, Markieff, and some guy named Gerald Bowman charged with the worst.: Aggravated Assault-Temp Disfigurement and Aggravated Assault-Bound/restrained victim.

Public records are easy to find. This is what happens when I am bored waiting for a trade.

[dremill24]

Today, with injuries Morris is the best player on the team. He is apparently happier with the interim coach. Trading him now during a losing season for no value just doesn't make sense. The Suns should keep him if they don't get what they want of him.

Be good for ticket sales too, and season ticket renewals/sales for next season. I agree I'd keep him but Sarver HAS to want him gone for reasons like that.

I'm not sure I agree that it will affect ticket sales that much. I could be wrong; I'm not from Phoenix so maybe you have a better idea of the demo but most season ticket holders will come back because they are season ticket holders. I don't think Morris loses fans at that alarming of a rate. Winning games the second half of the season is a better remedy and he is likely going to help you do that.

The fact that the Suns are pretty much a laughing stock will (and does currently) hurt ticket sales. I agree to a point about the season ticket holders, it would take something pretty drastic that affects them personally for a majority of them to not renew. But to the casual fan/single game attendee, the abysmal perception of the Suns hurts. And though Markieff is far from the sole reason for it, to casual fans, he's the most visible cause. We all know that Sarver is the biggest problem but we are a small portion of the general fan base.

[AtheJ415]

In case anybody cares, Markieff and Marcus have been in the gym the last couple of days. Their work ethic is so damn good. Wish they had half a brain.

Oh but now Morris twins and James Harden are in Vegas together. Lol


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Doubt it. The Suns had to ask Markieff to re-affirm his commitment to the weight training program with Phoenix, meaning he was likely skipping sessions.

[NaturalBuns]

In case anybody cares, Markieff and Marcus have been in the gym the last couple of days. Their work ethic is so damn good. Wish they had half a brain.

Oh but now Morris twins and James Harden are in Vegas together. Lol


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One thing I liked about them extreme work ethic showing up to summer leagues and stuff. Just became head cases but as they get older that will go away you'd hope

[nevetsov]

In the midst of all the Detroit and Orlando movement, and with ramblings coming from Miami/ Houston/ Atlanta, it's surprising both Cleveland and Boston have been dead quiet. Something brewing between McD and his former team?

[NaturalBuns]

With the acquisition of Harris, and perception wise getting us closer to contention, our board is a lot more willing to give up a first for Kieff. I still think there is a chance we acquire him

Do you want him though? He's a good player expecially if he can play with his brother again but having Jackson/Marcus/markieff and Tobias locked up long term like that you have to think what's your ceiling.

You wouldn't be flexible much after that for a few yrs

oh hell ya. i see its as this

I am assuming that with the acquisition of Harris, detroit will be well out of the lottery and anyone we end up picking with the first is going to take a while to produce and at best will be at Kieffs caliber of a player, however won't be on Kieffs bargain contract.

Also our core is RJ/KCP/SJ/Harris/Dre moving forward with Mook and Kieff , and looking at thier contracts with a rising cap, there shouldn't be a problem with moving them if we needed.

Once dre resigns to a mega max you'll be stuck with all those players. It's not a bad thing you'll be a good team but I just wonder about the ceiling.

You already know Boston is on the verge of building a super team here in a year or two and possible NYK. Cavs and lebron will always be in the mix as well.

Like I said I think all those moves would make them a great team I just wonder what it tops off at to its competiton