Trade Discussion

[Mulhollanddrive]

you guys are nuts.

[saintEscaton]

Hardly outrageous claim, Horford is not that good. I wouldnt be surprised if Horford never had a 6 game stretch comparable to Markieffs last 6.

Plus Horford is what?4yrs older?

Because you can make a three does not mean you can play PF.

I dont think Horford is dynamic enough to play more on the perimeter and defend starting 4s fulltime.

Ridiculous. Horford has a even better midrange game than Kieff (Shot close to 50% last year on a respectable 426 attempts, thats Nowitzki territory) and its not solely predicated on ISO post ups, he's deadly as a pick n' pop threat so he actually provides spacing and is not a ball stopper. He's been playing out of position due to team need / Milsap, he still gets significant minutes at PF when Splitter gets subbed in. He's a willing screener and makes the right passes. He can hit treys a decent clip from several spots while Kieff only takes them at the top of the key when sagged off of. Horford would actually be better off defending stretch 4s and has the versatility to even switch onto guards, because sometimes he is overmatched in the paint against 7 footers who bang low. But of course continue to be an edgy contrarian

[King4Day]

I just read the Wolves wanna get a scoring guard to replace Rubio. If that's the case, maybe they would do a Knight for Rubio deal (in some fashion). Would anyone do that? I just miss having a playmaking PG. I know he can't score but he could help the offense settle in.

[TheXgasm]

I think some people are overstating the reality of Markieff's game because of his flashes of potential. Yeah he has potential... if he loses his entire attitude, demeanor and persona and learns how to work hard enough to become a consistent player, and if he does that he can be a top-tier PF in this league.

That doesn't mean he IS a top-tier PF. He's had a handful of good games, it doesn't make him Karl Malone. You guys are acting like those guys that think they're gonna marry a hot girl because they managed to talk to her for more than 5 minutes without her vomiting in their face. Give it some time before you crown anything.

And stop comparing him to Horford, it's ridiculous. Horford IS a consistent player. Maybe Markieff's ceiling is higher, but he needs to grow to reach that ceiling and we have no real indications that he'll ever grow to get there.

[MrMiyagi]

I just read the Wolves wanna get a scoring guard to replace Rubio. If that's the case, maybe they would do a Knight for Rubio deal (in some fashion). Would anyone do that? I just miss having a playmaking PG. I know he can't score but he could help the offense settle in.

No. Rubio and Bledsoe don't look like a compatible backcourt. Rubio's alright, but I'd still rather have Knight.

[MrMiyagi]

Horford is a good player, but he is not a good fit for us at this point in time. We're looking to get younger, not older.

[charley barkles]

Horford doesn't beat people up, physically fight teammates during games, throw towels in coaches faces, flip off fans, and blame a blowout loss on the fans. Beyond stats... Dumping markieff and getting someone with better character sounds like a huge win to me.

If anyone thinks it'd be better to have Markieff Morris over Al Horford, they really don't understand real basketball.

It'll never happen though.


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[RunDogGun]

Horford doesn't beat people up, physically fight teammates during games, throw towels in coaches faces, flip off fans, and blame a blowout loss on the fans. Beyond stats... Dumping markieff and getting someone with better character sounds like a huge win to me.

If anyone thinks it'd be better to have Markieff Morris over Al Horford, they really don't understand real basketball.

It'll never happen though.


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I'm not a fan of Markieff, but don't make up stuff to fit your hate. There is no proof he beat up anyone, even from the eye witness account who posted here. Next he never blamed the loss on the fans. He said it sucked that there are usually more fans for the opposing team at our home games, and the fans aren't loud or even close to what he experiences in other cities. (Which is very true) there are way more cheers for Matt Bonner when we play the Spurs at Walking stick, then almost all of our players. He sure picked a bad time to voice this truth.

Now with that said, I'm fine with moving Markieff for I feel he is a bad example for our super youth, but no real rush in my opinion. He is signed for three more years, and his stock is getting better with more effort he puts forth. If no good deal comes up, it might be best to see what teams miss out on FAs come July.

[blee732]

I just read the Wolves wanna get a scoring guard to replace Rubio. If that's the case, maybe they would do a Knight for Rubio deal (in some fashion). Would anyone do that? I just miss having a playmaking PG. I know he can't score but he could help the offense settle in.

No. Rubio and Bledsoe don't look like a compatible backcourt. Rubio's alright, but I'd still rather have Knight.

I would like a Rubio/Bledsoe backcourt more than Knight/Bledsoe. Better defensively, and I think would be a lot more fun to watch. I think the team overall would be a lot more productive with Rubio handling the ball, enough to offset his poor shooting.

[jcsunsfan]

I just read the Wolves wanna get a scoring guard to replace Rubio. If that's the case, maybe they would do a Knight for Rubio deal (in some fashion). Would anyone do that? I just miss having a playmaking PG. I know he can't score but he could help the offense settle in.

No. Rubio and Bledsoe don't look like a compatible backcourt. Rubio's alright, but I'd still rather have Knight.

I would like a Rubio/Bledsoe backcourt more than Knight/Bledsoe. Better defensively, and I think would be a lot more fun to watch. I think the team overall would be a lot more productive with Rubio handling the ball, enough to offset his poor shooting.

While I have never been a Rubio fan because of his shooting, he is a very good passer and defender. A Rubio/Booker back court has some merit. I do think Rubio will eventually go to Milwaukee. He is a Jason Kidd type of pg. It would be interesting to see how this team plays with a facilitator like Rubio handling the ball, especially if you add a player like Ingram.

[saintEscaton]

I just read the Wolves wanna get a scoring guard to replace Rubio. If that's the case, maybe they would do a Knight for Rubio deal (in some fashion). Would anyone do that? I just miss having a playmaking PG. I know he can't score but he could help the offense settle in.

No. Rubio and Bledsoe don't look like a compatible backcourt. Rubio's alright, but I'd still rather have Knight.

I would like a Rubio/Bledsoe backcourt more than Knight/Bledsoe. Better defensively, and I think would be a lot more fun to watch. I think the team overall would be a lot more productive with Rubio handling the ball, enough to offset his poor shooting.

Bledsoe can't play off the ball though you will often find him napping when its not in his hands. His pull up jumper is reliable but he doesn't move well enough without it to be a spot up catch and shooter. He can't matchup against SGs the whole game with his 5 inch height defeciency

[Sunsdeuce]

I think some people are overstating the reality of Markieff's game because of his flashes of potential. Yeah he has potential... if he loses his entire attitude, demeanor and persona and learns how to work hard enough to become a consistent player, and if he does that he can be a top-tier PF in this league.

That doesn't mean he IS a top-tier PF. He's had a handful of good games, it doesn't make him Karl Malone. You guys are acting like those guys that think they're gonna marry a hot girl because they managed to talk to her for more than 5 minutes without her vomiting in their face. Give it some time before you crown anything.

And stop comparing him to Horford, it's ridiculous. Horford IS a consistent player. Maybe Markieff's ceiling is higher, but he needs to grow to reach that ceiling and we have no real indications that he'll ever grow to get there.

Thank you. Exactly! it's getting crazy in here. (But it's fun)

There isn't a GM in the NBA who would choose Markeiff over Horford. And if for some wacky, crazy reason a GM would take Markieff over Horford, pretty sure they wouldn't have a job for very long.

[jcsunsfan]

Phoenix fans need to learn to chill and enjoy.

Why are Suns fans so black and white on everything? It is either love or hate and more often than not it seems they are hating.
Suns fans turned on Kidd, Marion, Amare to name a few..

I wouldn't care if Markieff stays, suns fans need to stop being do confrontational with hin however.

Also the hate Knight gets is unreal. Sure id like to trade him because of Booker but to throe a hissy fit because they dont trade Knight and Morris for Tobias Harris, a true tweener? Cmon.. I wouldnt want Hartis for Morris.

I don't recall Suns fans turning on Kidd, Marion, and Amar'e.

.

All kinds of frustration and griping about Kidd's shooting, Amare's rebounding and defense, and Marion's prima donna attitude. Lots of it.

[bwgood77]

you guys are nuts.

Which guys? A motivated Markieff is better than Curry. There. I said it.

[blee732]

No. Rubio and Bledsoe don't look like a compatible backcourt. Rubio's alright, but I'd still rather have Knight.

I would like a Rubio/Bledsoe backcourt more than Knight/Bledsoe. Better defensively, and I think would be a lot more fun to watch. I think the team overall would be a lot more productive with Rubio handling the ball, enough to offset his poor shooting.

Bledsoe can't play off the ball though you will often catch him napping when its not in his hands. His pull up jumper is reliable but he doesn't move well enough without it to be a spot up catch and shooter. He can't matchup against SGs the whole game with his 5 inch height defeciency

yeah I think that's very valid. objectively I think a Rubio/Knight backcourt makes more sense, but I personally like Bled more. honestly, if we did manage to pull away Rubio (unlikely I think) for either Knight or Bled, I think the other would have to go as well so we can run that Rubio/Booker backcourt that JCsunsfan mentioned.

not sure why the Wolves would even consider moving Rubio. having him there can only be a positive as they develop Wiggins/KAT/Deng/Lavine. on the flip side, I'm concerned about the development of Len/Booker/Warren/Archie/upcoming lottery pick with the ball dominated by our current backcourt.

[saintEscaton]

you guys are nuts.

Which guys? A motivated Markieff is better than Curry. There. I said it.

He's basically the reincarnated lovechild of Sheed and LMA but he should have been aborted

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Phoenix fans need to learn to chill and enjoy.

Why are Suns fans so black and white on everything? It is either love or hate and more often than not it seems they are hating.
Suns fans turned on Kidd, Marion, Amare to name a few..

I wouldn't care if Markieff stays, suns fans need to stop being do confrontational with hin however.

Also the hate Knight gets is unreal. Sure id like to trade him because of Booker but to throe a hissy fit because they dont trade Knight and Morris for Tobias Harris, a true tweener? Cmon.. I wouldnt want Hartis for Morris.

I don't recall Suns fans turning on Kidd, Marion, and Amar'e.

.

All kinds of frustration and griping about Kidd's shooting, Amare's rebounding and defense, and Marion's prima donna attitude. Lots of it.

Never understood the protrayal of Shawn as a prima donna. One of my all-time favorites. The Matrix amazed.

[MathiasPW]

you guys are nuts.

Which guys? A motivated Markie is better than Curry. There. I said it.

He's basically the reincarnaed lovechild of Sheed and LMA but he should have been aborted

Come on McDoIt, make it stop. Make it stop!

[Sunsdeuce]

No. Rubio and Bledsoe don't look like a compatible backcourt. Rubio's alright, but I'd still rather have Knight.

I would like a Rubio/Bledsoe backcourt more than Knight/Bledsoe. Better defensively, and I think would be a lot more fun to watch. I think the team overall would be a lot more productive with Rubio handling the ball, enough to offset his poor shooting.

Bledsoe can't play off the ball though you will often find him napping when its not in his hands. His pull up jumper is reliable but he doesn't move well enough without it to be a spot up catch and shooter. He can't matchup against SGs the whole game with his 5 inch height defeciency

And that's the Bledsoe dilemma. Bledsoe hasn't proven that he can QUarterback a team either. He lacks the court vision and play making ability needed to be a full time PG. He doesn't know how to use his penetration skills to set up teammates.

Know don't get me wrong, Bledsoe is lightening quick and has shown great basketball abilities. But he is more of a combo guard. Combo guards rarely (if ever) work out as full time PGs.

[bwgood77]

I would like a Rubio/Bledsoe backcourt more than Knight/Bledsoe. Better defensively, and I think would be a lot more fun to watch. I think the team overall would be a lot more productive with Rubio handling the ball, enough to offset his poor shooting.

Bledsoe can't play off the ball though you will often find him napping when its not in his hands. His pull up jumper is reliable but he doesn't move well enough without it to be a spot up catch and shooter. He can't matchup against SGs the whole game with his 5 inch height defeciency

And that's the Bledsoe dilemma. Bledsoe hasn't proven that he can QUarterback a team either. He lacks the court vision and play making ability needed to be a full time PG. He doesn't know how to use his penetration skills to set up teammates.

Know don't get me wrong, Bledsoe is lightening quick and has shown great basketball abilities. But he is more of a combo guard. Combo guards rarely (if ever) work out as full time PGs.

While he may not be the smartest or best pass first pg, I would never think of him ever as anything close to a sg.