Trade Discussion

[jcsunsfan]

Jahli Okafor is available? 20 year old rookie centers that average 17 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk are never available. What is the red flag here. Makes absolutely zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade this guy. Jerry Colangelo is now in charge of that organization and must see something he does not like if he is willing to trade Okafor. Makes me very skeptical about Okafor.

He sees Armen Gilliam. A stat stuffing big who fills his numbers in garbage time and plays no defense. They also have Noel and Embiid waiting in the wings. He is trying to dump Okafor before other teams get wise.

[AtheJ415]

He wants to play for almost any team. Yes, he'd rather play for Detroit, but since he's acted like a felonious, petulant child, I see no reason to give him what he wants unless it also happens to be what's best for Phoenix. There is no reason to grant someone who has acted how Markieff has a favor. You're presuming that he's threatening to act like this with other teams. I have not seen a single thing that would suggest that at all.

just to get one thing clear, if i was PHX i would trade his a* away a long time ago and could give 2 squirts of sh* as to where. My point is that if i just want to get rid of him , i am probably not going to get FV. If i am trading him to a place where he's saying, " Detroit i want to play and win with you", there's more incentive for me as Detroit to offer more, as oppose to the risk of "will he be happy?"

in reality teams may have enough info to do their due dilligence on kieff in terms of character and lockeroom that ultimately where kieff wants to go doesn't impact any offers for him.

I get that, but the proposal was a 1st and an expiring, that's not Detroit offering more. Teams have already offered firsts, so that is equal as opposed to more. If the offer is equal, I give Kieff the middle finger as I send him elsewhere.

[Mulhollanddrive]

So probably going to be quiet for the next 10 hours, before the day starts tomorrow.

[saintEscaton]

Jahli Okafor is available? 20 year old rookie centers that average 17 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk are never available. What is the red flag here. Makes absolutely zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade this guy. Jerry Colangelo is now in charge of that organization and must see something he does not like if he is willing to trade Okafor. Makes me very skeptical about Okafor.

He sees Armen Gilliam. A stat stuffing big who fills his numbers in garbage time and plays no defense. They also have Noel and Embiid waiting in the wings. He is trying to dump Okafor before other teams get wise.

Jah is a rich man's Al Jefferson. You're selling him too short. He has ungodly counter moves and his footwork can still be refined. This isn't even his final form...

[blee732]

So probably going to be quiet for the next 10 hours, before the day starts tomorrow.

But you won't know for sure unless you sit at your computer/phone for the next 10 hours constantly refreshing this thread and Woj's twitter feed...

[bwgood77]

He wants to play for almost any team. Yes, he'd rather play for Detroit, but since he's acted like a felonious, petulant child, I see no reason to give him what he wants unless it also happens to be what's best for Phoenix. There is no reason to grant someone who has acted how Markieff has a favor. You're presuming that he's threatening to act like this with other teams. I have not seen a single thing that would suggest that at all.

just to get one thing clear, if i was PHX i would trade his a* away a long time ago and could give 2 squirts of sh* as to where. My point is that if i just want to get rid of him , i am probably not going to get FV. If i am trading him to a place where he's saying, " Detroit i want to play and win with you", there's more incentive for me as Detroit to offer more, as oppose to the risk of "will he be happy?"

in reality teams may have enough info to do their due dilligence on kieff in terms of character and lockeroom that ultimately where kieff wants to go doesn't impact any offers for him.

I get that, but the proposal was a 1st and an expiring, that's not Detroit offering more. Teams have already offered firsts, so that is equal as opposed to more. If the offer is equal, I give Kieff the middle finger as I send him elsewhere.

Well if it comes down to the Detroit first vs the Toronto first and no young good players, I'll gladly take the Detroit first.

[AtheJ415]

Jahli Okafor is available? 20 year old rookie centers that average 17 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk are never available. What is the red flag here. Makes absolutely zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade this guy. Jerry Colangelo is now in charge of that organization and must see something he does not like if he is willing to trade Okafor. Makes me very skeptical about Okafor.

He sees Armen Gilliam. A stat stuffing big who fills his numbers in garbage time and plays no defense. They also have Noel and Embiid waiting in the wings. He is trying to dump Okafor before other teams get wise.

I will say 2 things concern me with Okafor--he has never, at any level, shown a willingness to defend, and advanced stats hate him. Right now he puts up numbers because he is the focus of the offense. I do believe he has a lot of offensive talent, but until and unless he shows a willingness to improve defensively his ceiling is Al Jefferson or Enes Kanter.

[Cactus Jack]

I do miss seeing the Sonics as part of the NBA. I was in Seattle the year before they moved and most of the people I talked with didn't care too much about the Sonics which was unfortunate since they had Durant and I knew he would be huge.

I think within the next ten years the NBA is going to expand again and put a team back in Seattle. Give Payton and Kemp jersey retirements.

During that time (2006-08) when the team was sold & there was talk of it moving, the perception was that the team would likely leave. Add to that, the fact that the owners (Oklahomans who bought the team) did everything in their power to strip the team down and went full tank job (Cleveland Indians-Major League style). It was an absolute punk move. Most saw the writing on the wall & became apathetic. The last year, the team completely cutoff communications to the players/ team. They wanted out badly & the fans saw right through it. I will always hold contempt for that ownership group & team. David Stern was no saint either. He had a great helping hand in engineering the whole thing.

The League owes us big time. We have an owner (guy who tried to buy the Kings) who is patiently waiting for expansion approval. He has an arena deal set in place. The only thing needed, is the announcement of a team. I was mad at the league like others for quite a while. But, my love for the game has been far greater.

I would have more sympathy for you if you hadn't (for whatever reason) become a Spurs fan of all teams.

Hey, I get it. I actually lived in AZ at one time. I would consider myself a fan of the team. Which is why I'm posting lol. I've actually debated who to root for? PHX or SA? I guess that would make me a bandwagon Suns fan

Sorry to disappoint. It's hard to pick a new team, when you've followed just one.

[blee732]

If all else fails, I hope we at least send a couple quality players (who aren't in our long term plans - i.e. Keef, Tucker, Tele) to the Nets to improve their record a bit this year so we fall into the top 3 lottery spots. They have no incentive to tank this year.

[jredsaz]

Rumored deal to send Anderson (plus other assets) to the Cavs, Love to the Celtics, and a pic/expiring to the Pels is floating out there.

I posted a Cavs, Boston, Phoenix trade on the trade board about a month ago. This is a revised version.

PHX gets: Varajao, Jerebko, Mickey, Hunter, 2016 1st (DAL)

BOS gets: Love, Cunningham

CLE gets: Morris, Tucker, Bradley, Teletovic, 2016 1st (BKN)

Varajao and Jerebko are partially guaranteed next year. Mickey is a high ceiling athlete at a position of need and Hunter should become a good shooter/bench scorer down the line. 1st round pick is what it is but we aren't giving up much of anything. I view this as an opportunity to facilitate a trade and snag a diamond in the rough like we did with Bledsoe.

Celtics get their star, still have a win now core, and have tradeable assets to work with moving forward.

Cleveland becomes deeper, much better defensively, and versatile enough to play any style. Cavs save over $10 million in luxury tax and land an incredible asset to utilize in the offseason.

Biggest push back was 1) not enough return for Love and 2) that Cleveland wouldn't deal Love in conference because it would hurt their chances in the playoffs by helping Boston.

At any rate I think the Suns could be a better option to facilitate a deal than the Pelicans.

It also works as a template to send Griffin to Boston.

I dont like it. But its realistic.

I don't think that's realistic AT ALL. I think we get massively jobbed in that trade. I'd rather just get a second rounder for each of Tele and Tucker and then trade kieff for one of the 1sts already on the table.

That doesn't make sense considering last year's draft was a MUCH better draft. Taking flyers on late round picks from that draft is a better policy.

More importantly, if you prefer Sullinger, Zeller, Rozier, or Yong, they all work in the deal under the cap. That's the point of the deal. Get the young player(s) you like and a 1st for three assets that have average value at best. Massively jobbed? Lol.

[Mr Puddles]

Jahli Okafor is available? 20 year old rookie centers that average 17 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk are never available. What is the red flag here. Makes absolutely zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade this guy. Jerry Colangelo is now in charge of that organization and must see something he does not like if he is willing to trade Okafor. Makes me very skeptical about Okafor.

Exploring trade options for Okafor could simply mean that Embidd is showing promise. Additionally the 76ers might have Saric and Simmons on their roster next year as well.

Okafor is a legit low post option and I think he'll mesh a lot better with Len than Noel.

I would offer either:

Bledsoe + Keiff + Warren

or

Suns unprotected pick + Keiff + Archie Goodwin

[Gorilla Warfare]

I've been paying as much attention to this trade deadline as much as I've been watching Suns games this season. For your sanity's sake I would follow my lead. No big names or current Suns players are going anywhere.

[grumpysaddle]

Jahli Okafor is available? 20 year old rookie centers that average 17 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk are never available. What is the red flag here. Makes absolutely zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade this guy. Jerry Colangelo is now in charge of that organization and must see something he does not like if he is willing to trade Okafor. Makes me very skeptical about Okafor.

Exploring trade options for Okafor could simply mean that Embidd is showing promise. Additionally the 76ers might have Saric and Simmons on their roster next year as well.

Okafor is a legit low post option and I think he'll mesh a lot better with Len than Noel.

I would offer either:

Bledsoe + Keiff + Warren

or

Suns unprotected pick + Keiff + Archie Goodwin

No thanks on either. The unprotected pick is an absolute no. Top 4 protected, sure. The first one I'm just going to leave alone.

[bwgood77]

Jahli Okafor is available? 20 year old rookie centers that average 17 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk are never available. What is the red flag here. Makes absolutely zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade this guy. Jerry Colangelo is now in charge of that organization and must see something he does not like if he is willing to trade Okafor. Makes me very skeptical about Okafor.

Exploring trade options for Okafor could simply mean that Embidd is showing promise. Additionally the 76ers might have Saric and Simmons on their roster next year as well.

Okafor is a legit low post option and I think he'll mesh a lot better with Len than Noel.

I would offer either:

Bledsoe + Keiff + Warren

or

Suns unprotected pick + Keiff + Archie Goodwin

Wow, that's a lot to give up.

[AtheJ415]

I dont like it. But its realistic.

I don't think that's realistic AT ALL. I think we get massively jobbed in that trade. I'd rather just get a second rounder for each of Tele and Tucker and then trade kieff for one of the 1sts already on the table.

That doesn't make sense considering last year's draft was a MUCH better draft. Taking flyers on late round picks from that draft is a better policy.

More importantly, if you prefer Sullinger, Zeller, Rozier, or Yong, they all work in the deal under the cap. That's the point of the deal. Get the young player(s) you like and a 1st for three assets that have average value at best. Massively jobbed? Lol.

Do you know what opportunity cost is? Because if you do, you'll easily see we get massively jobbed.

[Cactus Jack]

Jahli Okafor is available? 20 year old rookie centers that average 17 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk are never available. What is the red flag here. Makes absolutely zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade this guy. Jerry Colangelo is now in charge of that organization and must see something he does not like if he is willing to trade Okafor. Makes me very skeptical about Okafor.

Exploring trade options for Okafor could simply mean that Embidd is showing promise. Additionally the 76ers might have Saric and Simmons on their roster next year as well.

Okafor is a legit low post option and I think he'll mesh a lot better with Len than Noel.

I would offer either:

Bledsoe + Keiff + Warren

or

Suns unprotected pick + Keiff + Archie Goodwin

Don't rip my head off, but...

It would likely take: Bledsoe+ (Lotto pick)+ keiff+ (Another pick) to pull it off

[bwgood77]

Jahli Okafor is available? 20 year old rookie centers that average 17 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk are never available. What is the red flag here. Makes absolutely zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade this guy. Jerry Colangelo is now in charge of that organization and must see something he does not like if he is willing to trade Okafor. Makes me very skeptical about Okafor.

Exploring trade options for Okafor could simply mean that Embidd is showing promise. Additionally the 76ers might have Saric and Simmons on their roster next year as well.

Okafor is a legit low post option and I think he'll mesh a lot better with Len than Noel.

I would offer either:

Bledsoe + Keiff + Warren

or

Suns unprotected pick + Keiff + Archie Goodwin

Don't rip my head off, but..

It would likely take: Bledsoe+ (Lotto pick)+ keiff+ (Another pick) to pull it off

You're talking our own unprotected lotto pick? You think Okafor is that much better than a pretty good shot at Ingram or Simmons PLUS Bledsoe and ANOTHER pick? I like Okafor ok, but no way in hell would I even consider that.

[JJ13]

Jahli Okafor is available? 20 year old rookie centers that average 17 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk are never available. What is the red flag here. Makes absolutely zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade this guy. Jerry Colangelo is now in charge of that organization and must see something he does not like if he is willing to trade Okafor. Makes me very skeptical about Okafor.

Exploring trade options for Okafor could simply mean that Embidd is showing promise. Additionally the 76ers might have Saric and Simmons on their roster next year as well.

Okafor is a legit low post option and I think he'll mesh a lot better with Len than Noel.

I would offer either:

Bledsoe + Keiff + Warren

or

Suns unprotected pick + Keiff + Archie Goodwin

Don't rip my head off, but..

It would likely take: Bledsoe+ (Lotto pick)+ keiff+ (Another pick) to pull it off

Whoa whoa whoa...we let people who are Seahawks AND Spurs fans post here? Trying so hard not to say something that will get me banned...I am ignoring all of this person's posts though

[AZWildByNature]

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As long as Keef is gone, it could be worse...

[Cactus Jack]

Exploring trade options for Okafor could simply mean that Embidd is showing promise. Additionally the 76ers might have Saric and Simmons on their roster next year as well.

Okafor is a legit low post option and I think he'll mesh a lot better with Len than Noel.

I would offer either:

Bledsoe + Keiff + Warren

or

Suns unprotected pick + Keiff + Archie Goodwin

Don't rip my head off, but..

It would likely take: Bledsoe+ (Lotto pick)+ keiff+ (Another pick) to pull it off

You're talking our own unprotected lotto pick? You think Okafor is that much better than a pretty good shot at Ingram or Simmons PLUS Bledsoe and ANOTHER pick? I like Okafor ok, but no way in hell would I even consider that.

Yes, the unprotected pick. That's my point. I don't see philly selling Okafor now. They would take calls obviously. But, unless they get a ridiculous offer they won't bite.