2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

NBA Moses · Post #1421 » by **NBA Moses** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:03 am

Jamal Murray is outstanding. NBA body right now and hes just 18 y.o..All these freshman have impressed. Simmons,Ingram. Jamal Murray, and Jaylen Brown is excellent. Solid draft when you add in some of the older college players Dunn,Hield, Denzel Valentine.

Valentine would fit Brett Browns up tempo perfectly. Valentine is starting to become my favorite guard in the draft. He's Steph Curry like obviously without the range.Avg close to 8 assists per game, and 20 pts.

76ciology · Post #1422 » by **76ciology** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:00 am

I have Murray over Dunn.

The NBA has just become a very heavy PnR offense league and I do think that not having a perimeter shot is a mortal sin for the PG position. No matter how skilled you are, it will be tough for your team to score off PnR when you defender would just go under the screen.

eagereyez · Post #1423 » by **eagereyez** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:38 am

I'm starting to come around on Murray. After watching some more games, he's more athletic than I thought. Agree with placing him above Dunn, I think Murray has greater potential. That and I'm just heavily biased against guards who can't shoot.

Sportfan73 · Post #1424 » by **Sportfan73** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:55 am

Murray could jump to 4 which I am fine with. Wish ellenson could jump into top 2 discussion for teams that want bigs.

marcush · Post #1425 » by **marcush** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:06 am

76ciology wrote:I have Murray over Dunn.

The NBA has just become a very heavy PnR offense league and I do think that not having a perimeter shot is a mortal sin for the PG position. No matter how skilled you are, it will be tough for your team to score off PnR when you defender would just go under the screen.

That's interesting because you were very much an 'upside' guy last year iirc. Have Mudiay's struggles changed your thinking?

76ciology · Post #1426 » by **76ciology** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:22 am

marcush wrote:
76ciology wrote:I have Murray over Dunn.

The NBA has just become a very heavy PnR offense league and I do think that not having a perimeter shot is a mortal sin for the PG position. No matter how skilled you are, it will be tough for your team to score off PnR when you defender would just go under the screen.

That's interesting because you were very much an 'upside' guy last year iirc. Have Mudiay's struggles changed your thinking?

I think Murray has a higher upside for he is much younger than Dunn.

I still believe that you need to go after potential/upside with a top 3 pick. That might have lead Porzingis with the top 2 pick and Russell as the top 3 pick after being said to be the high risk high reward prospect in the draft.

I didn't expect Mudiay to struggle this badly on his shooting he's just flat out horrible in finishing around the rim, shooting mid-range, shooting FTs and shooting 3s. But nevertheless, I still think he can be a much better player if he has improve his jumper over DLo.

But until then, Mudiay just like other poor shooting PGs have a hard time creating big offensive impact mainly because of their ineffectivity to get separation off screen plays because defenders can just go under the screen and forcing them to take those mid range jumpers.

Poor shooting guards/wings will need to get the ball on their hands to be effective. They are useless without the ball as spot up shooters. And when they have the ball, they will provide inefficient offense with taking mid-range heavy shots and/or be forcing things that leads to TOs.

I haven't watched a lot of Magic and Wolves games. But I read the complains of the fans on Payton and Rubio. Personally, I've watched Ish and MCW a lot with their time here. I notice that defenders are focusing more in the paint by going under the screen when defending Ish and MCW that leads them to a lot of poor FG% mid range shots. The difference with Ish is that he has the quickness to get to the rim, unlike with MCW where he doesn't even have the quickness to beat opposing centers with the ball.

Post #1427 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:57 pm

I'm on board with taking Murray over Dunn, I don't know if Murray is a point guard though. He reminds me of Beal at that age.

SuperTheBoss · Post #1428 » by **SuperTheBoss** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:05 pm

I would take Murray over Dunn only if we have already taken Ben Simmons ahead of him. I think having a star point forward like Simmons would make Murray an awesome player within a system. I don't trust him to run the offense on his own though. If we dont have someone better to run point I would rather have Dunn, since he is a legit point guard.

No-Man · Post #1429 » by **No-Man** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:17 pm

Murray over Dunn is basically Mayo over Lowry, good luck with that.

Wilfried · Post #1430 » by **Wilfried** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:22 pm

I think you can find a (role) player like Murray much easier than a decent point guard like Kris Dunn.
In this draft, there's actually only 1.

If we don't get 1 or 2, it's Dunn for me.

Post #1431 » by **Stanford** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:32 pm

I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.

FlightBrothers · Post #1432 » by **FlightBrothers** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:56 pm

We better get a top 2 pick in this draft. Bottom line

Negrodamus · Post #1433 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:00 pm

Welcome to the Jamal Murray bandwagon, gentlemen.

Kobblehead · Post #1434 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:05 pm

Most of these Canadian highschool ballers have failed to live up to expectations as of recent. Jamal Murray has turned the corner and raised his game above being a Harrison bro, but he's still not Top 3 worthy. His inability to play the PG spot lowers his value. Right now, he's somewhere between Dion Waiters and Bradley Beal.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1435 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:27 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Most of these Canadian highschool ballers have failed to live up to expectations as of recent. Jamal Murray has turned the corner and raised his game above being a Harrison bro, but he's still not Top 3 worthy. His inability to play the PG spot lowers his value. Right now, he's somewhere between Dion Waiters and Bradley Beal.

I agree but with that said I would take him over Dunn at this moment. I have soured on Dunn. He could be the 3rd pick by many. After Simmons and Ingram there is Bender but no one else who really gets me amped. So if we pick 3rd or 4th I might take Murray now based on not loving any of the other prospects. This draft is so terrible that Hield is now maybe the 5th best prospect. He could go 4 or 5 and I don't love him. He can shoot but nothing else.

Kobblehead · Post #1436 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:50 pm

I still don't get why people aren't on the Denzel Valentine bandwagon. He's far and away the best player in college basketball.

All these prospects have risen and fallen on mock drafts yet he's never been considered more than a mid-round pick.

I'd take him in the top 5, EASILY.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1437 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:00 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I still don't get why people aren't on the Denzel Valentine bandwagon. He's far and away the best player in college basketball.

All these prospects have risen and fallen on mock drafts yet he's never been considered more than a mid-round pick.

I'd take him in the top 5, EASILY.

Name your top 6 prospects.

Negrodamus · Post #1438 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:11 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I still don't get why people aren't on the Denzel Valentine bandwagon. He's far and away the best player in college basketball.

All these prospects have risen and fallen on mock drafts yet he's never been considered more than a mid-round pick.

I'd take him in the top 5, EASILY.

While I strongly disagree with your Murray stance, I am right with you on Valentine. It's crazy that he's in the 20s in some mocks.

BoomBap · Post #1439 » by **BoomBap** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:16 pm

our pick: simmons
lakers pick: dunn
miami pick: valentine

i could live with that.

Negrodamus · Post #1440 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:36 pm

BoomBap wrote:our pick: simmons
lakers pick: dunn
miami pick: valentine

i could live with that.

Switch Dunn with Murray and I'm right there with you. I wouldn't, however, be upset with Dunn. As prospects go, he is probably ranked one spot above Murray for me based on how insanely athletic/fast he is.