Trade Discussion

[Christine-In-AZ]

A pretty good day.

If the Wiz pick ends up about #16 or higher this year or probably better yet in '17, it's a nice save by McD.

I wouldn't have minded seeing PJ end up on a good playoff team with the Suns getting something nice back, but I like that he's still with the team. Might have to use him fairly soon in a trade package to get PF, but otherwise I'd love to see him remain with Phoenix for a long time...ho..ho..hold on! PJ haters! He needs to be coming off the bench and doing his thing for about 20-24 minutes a game, but the Suns have to force him to that bench role by getting better forward talent in front of him.

I'm really surprised Price wasn't moved. Maybe he'll be waived in the next week or two so he can find a more appropriate (playoff) team to join.

[LukasBMW]

So after doing more research, I see why a few of you say that it will be impossible to trade up and obtain #1 or #2.

Ingram looks like the real freaking deal.

Simmons looks just a bit better to me. His vision is rare.

Everyone else looks...blah.

I'd be happy with #1 or #2. But I guess there would be no way to move up if we land #4 or #5 and try to package #12 + #27 to get a top 2 pick.

If we land #4 or #5 I think I'd take a shot at Skal Labissiere. Watching his postgame, footwork, and hookshot, he already has big league moves. As long as he adds some muscle, he's gonna be a double double machine. I gotta think his stock will rise on draft day.

If by chance he does fall to us at the Washington pick, sign me up.

Of course, I still am going to hold out hope that a few scrubs boost their value on draft day and make the top 2 picks a bit less obvious. Here is to hoping this draft has a Pozingis and Russell come from no where so we can maneuver if we somehow don't get a top 2 pick.

[saintEscaton]

I wouldn't say that at all man. Ingram looks good but it's no lock at this point he is a sure fire stud at the next level. There are players that could become available that at least require consideration.

You can say that about Simmons too. They are 1a and 1b

I don't know if that is actually the case. Long way to go. I think if Simmons is the pick its a lock. After that there is room for debate.

Wrote this on the draft board: You probably have to construct your entire roster around Simmons to provide spacing and make up for his shooting deficiencies g, to thrive in a halfcourt setup as a point forward, helps if you're a team lacking a true floor general like PHX. He is somewhat of a tweener so I don't see him matching up against PFs on the other end. He's a elite rebounder but his doesn't always box out and his stats have been slightly inflated playing along essentially 4 guards who leak out into transition, allowing him to crash the board and push the break. I personally favor Ingram, his prototypical wingspan two-way upside and perimeter skills will immediately translate on any NBA team. He has a higher ceiling IMO but probably isn't as safe. He just needs to fill out his rail thin frame to hold up and take contact

[RunDogGun]

A pretty good day.

If the Wiz pick ends up about #16 or higher this year or probably better yet in '17, it's a nice save by McD.

I wouldn't have minded seeing PJ end up on a good playoff team with the Suns getting something nice back, but I like that he's still with the team. Might have to use him fairly soon in a trade package to get PF, but otherwise I'd love to see him remain with Phoenix for a long time...ho..ho..hold on! PJ haters! He needs to be coming off the bench and doing his thing for about 20-24 minutes a game, but the Suns have to force him to that bench role by getting better forward talent in front of him.

I'm really surprised Price wasn't moved. Maybe he'll be waived in the next week or two so he can find a more appropriate (playoff) team to join.

I was more surprised that Tele wasn't moved. Price is still a good hustle player, good example for our super youth.

[saintEscaton]

A pretty good day.

If the Wiz pick ends up about #16 or higher this year or probably better yet in '17, it's a nice save by McD.

I wouldn't have minded seeing PJ end up on a good playoff team with the Suns getting something nice back, but I like that he's still with the team. Might have to use him fairly soon in a trade package to get PF, but otherwise I'd love to see him remain with Phoenix for a long time...ho..ho..hold on! PJ haters! He needs to be coming off the bench and doing his thing for about 20-24 minutes a game, but the Suns have to force him to that bench role by getting better forward talent in front of him.

I'm really surprised Price wasn't moved. Maybe he'll be waived in the next week or two so he can find a more appropriate (playoff) team to join.

I was more surprised that Tele wasn't moved. Price is still a good hustle player, good example for our super youth.

Price is a pesky defender, not a good defender by any metric he is just hyperactive. He gets caught reaching in too often and gets burnt pressuring drivers

[Cactus Jack]

I personally favor Ingram, his prototypical wingspan two-way upside and perimeter skills will immediately translate on any NBA team. He has a higher ceiling IMO but probably isn't as safe. He just needs to fill out his rail thin frame to hold up and take contact

Yeah, I think you just described Wiggins, when he was coming out. Btw I think he's better than Wiggins. He's a stud.

[bwgood77]

I'm surprised people thought Price had any trade value whatsoever.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I'm surprised people thought Price had any trade value whatsoever.

I didn't think they could get anything meaningful in return. Just get him to a team that could use him...maybe eat a small contract in return, or give some team's fossilizing, end of the bench player a little burn, 'cuz the Suns can given their current position.

A GM favor for down the road consideration.

[AtheJ415]

I'm surprised people thought Price had any trade value whatsoever.

He definitely didn't. I mean, if he could even a protected 2nd and we said no it would be absurd. I am shocked Tele wasn't traded. He's better than Frye, for instance, but maybe the stretch big market wasn't as high as some suggested. I think Sac, Mil, Boston, and others could've used him, and in our scenario even a 2nd is a win.

That said, I'm happy with what I think will be a late lotto pick from Washington. Should be some high upside bigs in that area who fit our system. Also, it leaves room for us to move up by combining picks or attaching a player. I really wish Tucker was moved as well, but I'm fine with waiting until the draft or offseason since he has another year on his deal (though unguaranteed, it's so cheap we should pick up the option and move him elsewhere).

[AtheJ415]

You can say that about Simmons too. They are 1a and 1b

I don't know if that is actually the case. Long way to go. I think if Simmons is the pick its a lock. After that there is room for debate.

Wrote this on the draft board: You probably have to construct your entire roster around Simmons to provide spacing and make up for his shooting deficiencies g, to thrive in a halfcourt setup as a point forward, helps if you're a team lacking a true floor general like PHX. He is somewhat of a tweener so I don't see him matching up against PFs on the other end. He's a elite rebounder but his doesn't always box out and his stats have been slightly inflated playing along essentially 4 guards who leak out into transition, allowing him to crash the board and push the break. I personally favor Ingram, his prototypical wingspan two-way upside and perimeter skills will immediately translate on any NBA team. He has a higher ceiling IMO but probably isn't as safe. He just needs to fill out his rail thin frame to hold up and take contact

Yeah. I'll be thrilled with either, but Ingram is more projectable by far, and if only he was a PF I'd give him the nod. Simmons could play PF moreso than Ingram, but if I was Phoenix, particularly given we will have a later pick to take on a PF, I'd take BPA, and that might just be Ingram.

[blacksun]

You can say that about Simmons too. They are 1a and 1b

I don't know if that is actually the case. Long way to go. I think if Simmons is the pick its a lock. After that there is room for debate.

Wrote this on the draft board: You probably have to construct your entire roster around Simmons to provide spacing and make up for his shooting deficiencies g, to thrive in a halfcourt setup as a point forward, helps if you're a team lacking a true floor general like PHX. He is somewhat of a tweener so I don't see him matching up against PFs on the other end. He's a elite rebounder but his doesn't always box out and his stats have been slightly inflated playing along essentially 4 guards who leak out into transition, allowing him to crash the board and push the break. I personally favor Ingram, his prototypical wingspan two-way upside and perimeter skills will immediately translate on any NBA team. He has a higher ceiling IMO but probably isn't as safe. He just needs to fill out his rail thin frame to hold up and take contact

The thing about Simmons that makes me nervous is his mentality. For anybody who hasnt seen it:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR_MSoFc4iA[/youtube]

His shooting is notoriously suspect, and its not a mechanics thing either. His are actually pretty good with a bit of tweaking. He just doesnt have a shooter's feel and i feel like hes gonna be an okay shooter at best throughout his career. But beyond that its his attitude that bothers me. Too laid back especially on D. He doesnt have that hungry alpha dog mentality that great players have. He went to LSU rather than go to Duke or Kansas. That says to me that he isnt really looking to put the work in and hes content to dominate at LSU to ensure that number 1 selection. Of course it could just be that he isnt challenged enough at that level and it can all change once he gets to the pros. But for now, there isnt really much space between Ingram and Simmons, and i honestly dont know who to pick if we wind up with the first pick.

[RunDogGun]

A pretty good day.

If the Wiz pick ends up about #16 or higher this year or probably better yet in '17, it's a nice save by McD.

I wouldn't have minded seeing PJ end up on a good playoff team with the Suns getting something nice back, but I like that he's still with the team. Might have to use him fairly soon in a trade package to get PF, but otherwise I'd love to see him remain with Phoenix for a long time...ho..ho..hold on! PJ haters! He needs to be coming off the bench and doing his thing for about 20-24 minutes a game, but the Suns have to force him to that bench role by getting better forward talent in front of him.

I'm really surprised Price wasn't moved. Maybe he'll be waived in the next week or two so he can find a more appropriate (playoff) team to join.

I was more surprised that Tele wasn't moved. Price is still a good hustle player, good example for our super youth.

Price is a pesky defender, not a good defender by any metric he is just hyperactive. He gets caught reaching in too often and gets burnt pressuring drivers

Cool story, but I said he was a good hustle player.

[Kerrsed]

I got to give props to the posters in the Crow Eating thread on the Trade board (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1428340#start_here).

As i said in another thread with posters eating crow:

I want to applaud the posters who have come back and admitted to eating their crow. We Suns fans have been blasted for saying that Morris would net us a 1st round pick and if he couldnt fetch that then we would just hold onto him. I truly am impressed with those admitting that they were wrong, just know there are hundreds more out there that dont have the gall/balls to admit they were wrong, so i applaud those that did.

Its the #1 Crow that people are eating. Also if you check out the Trade Deadline Win/Loss thread, most people have us (and Detroit) being the big winners of the day.

McD is McDoing it right!

[Phnxsports]

I don't know if that is actually the case. Long way to go. I think if Simmons is the pick its a lock. After that there is room for debate.

Wrote this on the draft board: You probably have to construct your entire roster around Simmons to provide spacing and make up for his shooting deficiencies g, to thrive in a halfcourt setup as a point forward, helps if you're a team lacking a true floor general like PHX. He is somewhat of a tweener so I don't see him matching up against PFs on the other end. He's a elite rebounder but his doesn't always box out and his stats have been slightly inflated playing along essentially 4 guards who leak out into transition, allowing him to crash the board and push the break. I personally favor Ingram, his prototypical wingspan two-way upside and perimeter skills will immediately translate on any NBA team. He has a higher ceiling IMO but probably isn't as safe. He just needs to fill out his rail thin frame to hold up and take contact

Yeah. I'll be thrilled with either, but Ingram is more projectable by far, and if only he was a PF I'd give him the nod. Simmons could play PF moreso than Ingram, but if I was Phoenix, particularly given we will have a later pick to take on a PF, I'd take BPA, and that might just be Ingram.

I suppose the other great thing to come from today is that the rest of the NCAA season and tournament just became a lot more fun. I know I'll be paying much more attention to guys like Diamond Stone, Devonta Davis, Rabb, Sabonis, etc. Everyone says this draft is weak but there is someone out there who will end up a Kawai Leonard. Will be fun to see if we can figure out who that might be and hope the Suns draft him.

[Kerrsed]

Wrote this on the draft board: You probably have to construct your entire roster around Simmons to provide spacing and make up for his shooting deficiencies g, to thrive in a halfcourt setup as a point forward, helps if you're a team lacking a true floor general like PHX. He is somewhat of a tweener so I don't see him matching up against PFs on the other end. He's a elite rebounder but his doesn't always box out and his stats have been slightly inflated playing along essentially 4 guards who leak out into transition, allowing him to crash the board and push the break. I personally favor Ingram, his prototypical wingspan two-way upside and perimeter skills will immediately translate on any NBA team. He has a higher ceiling IMO but probably isn't as safe. He just needs to fill out his rail thin frame to hold up and take contact

Yeah. I'll be thrilled with either, but Ingram is more projectable by far, and if only he was a PF I'd give him the nod. Simmons could play PF moreso than Ingram, but if I was Phoenix, particularly given we will have a later pick to take on a PF, I'd take BPA, and that might just be Ingram.

I suppose the other great thing to come from today is that the rest of the NCAA season and tournament just became a lot more fun. I know I'll be paying much more attention to guys like Diamond Stone, Devonta Davis, Rabb, Sabonis, etc. Everyone says this draft is weak but there is someone out there who will end up a Kawai Leonard. Will be fun to see if we can figure out who that might be and hope the Suns draft him.

The draft really isnt that weak, there are some good players in it, but they just need a few years to develop and arnt as NBA ready as many in the past. Outside of the top 2, i like what i see in Bender/Skal/Stone/Rabb and Poythress/Gary Payton II with our late 1st/early 2nd.

Hopefully we can shed some more of our dead weight and open up more playing time for our future young rookies to develop.

[LV-Suns]

Worst comes to worse and we don't land a top 2 pick.. I think I would be pretty satisfied with Kris Dunn and someone like Ivan Rabb with the late lottery pick. I am just assuming either Bled or Knight will be moved over the summer if we are fully embracing a rebuild.

[TOO]

Why does everyone seem so into Kris Dunn? He's a turnover machine and a poor FT shooter, meh.

[Kerrsed]

[Blackification]

I shake my head when the media people just say that the suns did the morris brother dirty by signing them and trading marcus. Yea lets act like Marcus didn't yell at his coach, both of them didnt **** on the fans while getting technicals that possibly cost us games last season, and that they dont have **** felony charges.

[Ryu]

I hope Sabonis is available with the Wizz pick. That kid certainly knows how to play basketball.

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