2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[pcbothwel]

We'll just have to disagree on Nene then, because if you can find a better way to spend 1-2 mil on a big man im all ears.

Like I said with Hump, it was just filler. It could be Dudley or Ilyasova via FA or Aaron Gordon, Mike Scott, or Vonleh via trade. And another option would be to trade Gortat + 2017 1st for a PF and then use the remaining Cap space (4.6M+whatever we save from Gortat trade) to fill the backup 5 spot. I.E
Gortat for Ed Davis, Mirotic, Sullinger, Jones, or Motiejunas
Sign Jordan Hill, Mahinmi, or Miles Plumlee

[Ruzious]

I'm in Whiteside camp as I think it gives us the most flexibility. You can keep Gortat as backup in the near term because his age, Whitesides foul trouble and poor free throw shooting, and their contrasting strengths as Centers.

Draft:
At 12, you take one of the 4/5's that will be there out of:
Ellenson
Rabb
Zimmerman
Brice Johnson
Deyonta Davis

FA:
I think you can sign Sato and Sessions to a total of about 7M in salary for 2016
The remaining 4.5-5M is used to retain Hump, sign Dudley, or trade for another 4 with our 2017 1st.
The room exception can be used to bring in depth like Nene
Im sure a vet like Alan Anderson would also be interesting for the vet min.

Roster:

Whiteside $22,500,000
John Wall  $16,957,900
Marcin Gortat  $12,000,000
Bradley Beal $14,734,954
Otto Porter  $5,893,981
Sato $3,500,000
Sessions $3,500,000
Kelly Oubre  $2,006,640
12th Pick  $1,931,900
Martell $830,000
Cap Hold $1,500,000
Total $85,355,375
Cap Room $4,644,625

John Wall  - Sessions
Bradley Beal - Sato - Anderson
Otto Porter  - Kelly Oubre  - Anderson
Hump - 12th Pick  - Nene
Whiteside- Marcin Gortat  - Nene

That is a deep team with a core of youth, yet experience. Wall, Beal, Otto, and Whiteside will be 22-26 and you have backups like Sato, Oubre, and our draft pick that will also be young. That leaves you the possibility to make another move during the year or in 2017 by trading Gortat, young player, and future 1st for another piece.

It's no KD, but it aint bad and its very feasible.

Keeping Gortat as a backup is not a good use of him at this point in his career and contract. If we get Whiteside, I'd try to trade Gortat for Sullinger. Sullinger would spread the floor and can also play some minutes at 5. And Sullinger's a guy who can be a prime scorer if used that way - I think Boston could have utilized him more. He's tradable, because Boston's been unhappy with his weight. Edit - looking at Sullinger's stats, I'm surprised how low his scoring efficiency has been. I'm not sure what the problem is, because he has the ability and excellent skills. I'm guessing it's conditioning. Still, maybe having a pure PG like Wall would help.

[Rafael122]

So post-Morris trade, what are the KD and non-KD plans for you guys?

[Ruzious]

Well, now we don't have to worry about a draft pick eating up any cap space.

[nate33]

So post-Morris trade, what are the KD and non-KD plans for you guys?

The KD plan remains about the same. If we sign him, we'll have a lineup of Wall, Beal, Porter, KD, Morris, Gortat and Oubre, plus the Room Minimum. I would try and use the Room Minimum to resign Sessions if possible, or Sato if not.

With Beal, Porter and Durant gobbling all the minutes at the wing positions, I might shop Oubre for a rookie-contract big man to balance our roster. A guy like Portis would be fantastic. I wouldn't just give Oubre away though. If we can't get back a guy who can play backup PF and C pretty well, I'd probably just go with stopgaps like Gooden and Dewayne Dedmon then try and address the position next year when we have the MLE at our disposal.

If we don't land Durant, I'd probably try and sign Biyombo to a modest $10M a year type of deal and sign Sato to the smallest long term contract I could. I'd probably try and retain Temple on a 1-year deal too - even if it's an overpay. I'd grudgingly match any offer for Beal. Basically, the no-KD route isn't very exciting, but I'm not interested in throwing big money at the other big name free agents. I'd rather try and keep the salary situation under control and build around youth while waiting until 2017 to make a big splash. Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris, Gortat, Sato, Oubre, Biyombo is a pretty decent rotation with everyone but Gortat under 27.

[Rafael122]

Well, now we don't have to worry about a draft pick eating up any cap space.

Wonder if it's possible to:

- Bring back Sessions w/the room exception
- Bring back Dudley
- Sign Durant
- Sign Beal
- Trade Porter for a backup two guard (I was thinking they pick up Gooden's option, and trade Porter/Gooden for JJ Redick but it seems like a short sighted move. I love Otto so I'd hate to trade him.)
- Bring back Temple on the vet minimum

PG - Wall/Sessions
SG - Beal/Redick/Temple
SF - Durant/Oubre
PF - Morris/Dudley
C - Gortat/?

I'm assuming Beal and the Wiz meet at the halfway point between his cap hold and his max salary ($18 million), so we're at $90 million or so in salary, including Webster's buyout.

[LyricalRico]

So post-Morris trade, what are the KD and non-KD plans for you guys?

The KD plan remains about the same. If we sign him, we'll have a lineup of Wall, Beal, Porter, KD, Morris, Gortat and Oubre, plus the Room Minimum. I would try and use the Room Minimum to resign Sessions if possible, or Sato if not.

With Beal, Porter and Durant gobbling all the minutes at the wing positions, I might shop Oubre for a rookie-contract big man to balance our roster. A guy like Portis would be fantastic. I wouldn't just give Oubre away though. If we can't get back a guy who can play backup PF and C pretty well, I'd probably just go with stopgaps like Gooden and Dewayne Dedmon then try and address the position next year when we have the MLE at our disposal.

I'd actually look to move Porter more than Oubre in that scenario. Maybe to a team like the Wolves for a couple of their young guys to fill out the bench? I think somebody suggested Porter for Dieng+Muhammed in another thread, something like that.

[nate33]

Well, now we don't have to worry about a draft pick eating up any cap space.

Wonder if it's possible to:

- Bring back Sessions w/the room exception
- Bring back Dudley
- Sign Durant
- Sign Beal
- Trade Porter for a backup two guard (I was thinking they pick up Gooden's option, and trade Porter/Gooden for JJ Redick but it seems like a short sighted move. I love Otto so I'd hate to trade him.)
- Bring back Temple on the vet minimum

PG - Wall/Sessions
SG - Beal/Redick/Temple
SF - Durant/Oubre
PF - Morris/Dudley
C - Gortat/?

I'm assuming Beal and the Wiz meet at the halfway point between his cap hold and his max salary ($18 million), so we're at $90 million or so in salary, including Webster's buyout.

There is no cap room for Dudley. Once we sign Durant, we are capped out. (Morris' salary is taking up the rest of the cap room we would have had pre-trade.) At the most, we'll have $2-3M leftover after signing Durant, and it might be much less than that.

I also doubt that Temple could be retained for the vet minimum at this point. I think someone is going to come along and offer at least $3-4M a year.

Redick is not the guy I'd target if we put Porter on the trade block. He'll be 32 next year, and he's redundant with Beal. I'd much rather just keep Porter. I think his low usage, multi-position, off-the-ball style complements the team better. We already have 5 other guys to take shots (Durant, Beal, Gortat, Wall and Morris).

[nate33]

So post-Morris trade, what are the KD and non-KD plans for you guys?

The KD plan remains about the same. If we sign him, we'll have a lineup of Wall, Beal, Porter, KD, Morris, Gortat and Oubre, plus the Room Minimum. I would try and use the Room Minimum to resign Sessions if possible, or Sato if not.

With Beal, Porter and Durant gobbling all the minutes at the wing positions, I might shop Oubre for a rookie-contract big man to balance our roster. A guy like Portis would be fantastic. I wouldn't just give Oubre away though. If we can't get back a guy who can play backup PF and C pretty well, I'd probably just go with stopgaps like Gooden and Dewayne Dedmon then try and address the position next year when we have the MLE at our disposal.

I'd actually look to move Porter more than Oubre in that scenario. Maybe to a team like the Wolves for a couple of their young guys to fill out the bench? I think somebody suggest Porter for Dieng+Muhammed in another thread, something like that.

Not me. I love Porter and think he's a great fit on that roster in the current era of basketball. In today's game, you need your wings to have versatility. They need to be able to switch defensively and guard multiple positions, and they need to be able to put the ball on the floor and make decisions after your primary option has drawn the double team and swung the ball. Porter is going to be that player. He's not quite there yet, but he's close. Give him another 5-10 pounds of muscle and another 5% on his 3-point shoot and he's a perfect wing for today's game.

On a team with Durant, Beal, Wall, Gortat and Morris, we don't need a lot of scoring from the role players. We just need defense, versatility, off-the-ball cuts, and smart basketball decisions. Better 3-point shooting would also be nice, and I think Porter will improve in that department.

The one argument for trading Porter is his impending free agency.

[Rafael122]

Well, now we don't have to worry about a draft pick eating up any cap space.

Wonder if it's possible to:

- Bring back Sessions w/the room exception
- Bring back Dudley
- Sign Durant
- Sign Beal
- Trade Porter for a backup two guard (I was thinking they pick up Gooden's option, and trade Porter/Gooden for JJ Redick but it seems like a short sighted move. I love Otto so I'd hate to trade him.)
- Bring back Temple on the vet minimum

PG - Wall/Sessions
SG - Beal/Redick/Temple
SF - Durant/Oubre
PF - Morris/Dudley
C - Gortat/?

I'm assuming Beal and the Wiz meet at the halfway point between his cap hold and his max salary ($18 million), so we're at $90 million or so in salary, including Webster's buyout.

There is no cap room for Dudley. Once we sign Durant, we are capped out. (Morris' salary is taking up the rest of the cap room we would have had pre-trade.) At the most, we'll have $2-3M leftover after signing Durant, and it might be much less than that.

I also doubt that Temple could be retained for the vet minimum at this point. I think someone is going to come along and offer at least $3-4M a year.

Redick is not the guy I'd target if we put Porter on the trade block. He'll be 32 next year, and he's redundant with Beal. I'd much rather just keep Porter. I think his low usage, multi-position, off-the-ball style complements the team better. We already have 5 other guys to take shots (Durant, Beal, Gortat, Wall and Morris).

I'm just concerned that we have no backup 2 or 5. You're right, at least with Porter there are options where he'll play more of the 4 spot with Oubre hopefully taking the back up 3 job. I'm also concerned about his free agency, we have no idea what kind of market he'll have. MKG got a 4 year/$52 million contract, I wouldn't go that high for Otto but 10 to 11 mil per year is more than fair.

[Hidden Eye]

I would trade Satos rights and package Gooden to try and get lower in the Draft and grab a Center (If there's any good prospects).

[LyricalRico]

What about working out a Beal S&T to fill out the team after signing Durant? Could be a way to add multiple pieces, and accelerate Oubre's development.

[nate33]

What about working out a Beal S&T to fill out the team after signing Durant? Could be a way to add multiple pieces, and accelerate Oubre's development.

Beal has no significant trade value at this point. You aren't going to get back a player better than Beal in a Beal trade. At best, you get back a worse player who happens to be cheaper (thus making him a better value), but if you're all in for a championship run, you don't sacrifice talent for salary savings.

If we land Durant, we'll keep Beal. No question about it.

[Dark Faze]

can we stop with the durant scenarios lol

we need other ideas---where to go when he inevitably turns us down

[Rafael122]

can we stop with the durant scenarios lol

we need other ideas---where to go when he inevitably turns us down

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/2/1/10774690/nba-free-agents-2016-rankings-kevin-durant-andre-drummond

I'm looking at this free agent list and out of the top 20 guys, sans Durant, Al sticks out. The thing, Al is on the wrong side of 30, and Morris would making like $18 million less for arguably the same production. So it's a misallocation of money.

Maybe Pau Gasol, I'd say he's got a year or two left in him to make a contribution. Why not give him a 1 year deal at a huge rate ($15 million?) or a 2 year deal with the 2nd year being a player option. I'd also bring back Dudley. Maybe even go after Alan Crabbe who absolutely plays no defense, but can score off the bench.

Edit: The other thing, I mentioned it in the trade thread but if this is the last season for the Clipper core, ask Doc what it would take to get Blake. If Beal really wants the max, Blake would actually make a couple of million less than Brad so there's some cap savings there.

[Severn Hoos]

Ever since hearing about the Morris trade:


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6PNc9KN50M[/youtube]

[Dark Faze]

Gasol for 2 years, 17 million, maybe even 20 million to steal him from Chicago would be a smart move. If you build the team right...maybe, just maybe we can be in the ECF a couple of years in a row to build momentum to bring in Cousins.

[nate33]

Gasol for 2 years, 17 million, maybe even 20 million to steal him from Chicago would be a smart move. If you build the team right...maybe, just maybe we can be in the ECF a couple of years in a row to build momentum to bring in Cousins.

The problem with Gasol is that he is unlikely to accept a one year deal. Adding him would take us out of the running for 2017 free agents. I'd rather add a cheaper, younger guy like Biyombo.

[Dark Faze]

Two years, 20 million PER--can't imagine anyone matching that.

There's nobody else worth going after but Cousins. Harden too if you can manage it. The other guys..Blake isn't coming. You don't want to overpay Millsap. Eh. Two years of Gasol and then DMC2DC.

[Rafael122]

Two years, 20 million PER--can't imagine anyone matching that.

There's nobody else worth going after but Cousins. Harden too if you can manage it. The other guys..Blake isn't coming. You don't want to overpay Millsap. Eh. Two years of Gasol and then DMC2DC.

You're talking per? I was talking total. He's 35, it would be insane to offer him a contract at $20 million per. He makes a little less than $8 million now. We'd double his current salary easily with a $15 mil per year offer.