The Trade-Mill - Trade Thread Part Infinity

[ddb]

I want an Anthony Davis type of this team so bad....we got a taste for 6 years with KG...those freaks are so damn valuable when put in the right situation...Davis is a #2 offensive option on a Championship team, and a DPOY anchor on D. U give him a guy that can carry the load offensively in key spots like Pierce did for KG and Davis will do everything else.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I want an Anthony Davis type of this team so bad....we got a taste for 6 years with KG...those freaks are so damn valuable when put in the right situation...Davis is a #2 offensive option on a Championship team, and a DPOY anchor on D. U give him a guy that can carry the load offensively in key spots like Pierce did for KG and Davis will do everything else.

the real question is why aren't there more of these guys

[76ciology]

Okafor's defensive concern is overblown. He done a good job defending shots within 10ft&6ft. He's been doing a good job with his defensive impact since Jan (close to 100DRTG). Problem lies with his offense which is inefficient due to it's post heavy nature (lacks ft rate). He's been adjusting into more jumpers and face-ups, which seems correctible and has shown promise. I do think Jah would fit well for the Celtics, and will eventually fall in the same category with Love and DMC. Celtics has shown interest with both bigs.

[Murta]

Okafor is a much safer route in terms of contribution than even Simmons or Ingram, let alone Bender, Dunn or Brown.

This always seemed like a possibility, Ainge loves taking the safer route when it comes to the draft.

[Banks2Pierce]

Ainge's comments don't 100% add up with a 1 for 1 trade for Okafor. It's clear that Okafor was involved based on Bulpett, though.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/02/19/ainge-celtics-were-very-close-to-trading-big-package-for-high-end-player-at-deadline/ Best Ainge interview for a while. The hosts filling in for T&R let Danny talk.

[ConstableGeneva]

If it wasn't Okafor, is there a reason why Philly's side still hasn't denied it? Personally, I don't think it was Okafor. Another misdirection by Danny. Dunno what he's playing at though. Not sure what to believe. I'm hoping for a more interesting draft night and offseason.

[Edug27]

I dont buy that it was Okafor, And it really doesnt matter either because it didnt happen.

He's a highly talented scoring big man. What's not to buy? Unless you're just not a big Okafor fan.

[Murta]

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Max Rappaport ‎@MaxRappaport
The chance that you could be moving Okafor for Kris Dunn or Jaylen Brown is just too risky at this point IMO.

Sixers beat writer on the proposed deal.

[Banks2Pierce]

I don't even like Okafor's game, but that would've been locking in value equivalent to the 2nd pick of the draft and protecting against the likelihood of the pick falling to 5-7.

[jfs1000d]

Okafir is a major talent. Kind of put off by his immaturity. I think he is better than the guys in this draft, maybe sans Simmons. He would go no. 2 in this draft. Maybe no. 1.


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[SmartWentCrazy]

Are you guys serious?! You WOULDNT trade the pick for Okafor? The guy is averaging 17&8 as a rookie!!! If Marcus Smart was averaging 17&8 you would all deem him destined for superstardom!!! (FWIW Smart is my fav player on team) --- call it like it is though guys - Okafor is gonna be a 25+10 guy and he would be a great addition to this young team

Personally, I'd take the 20-30% gamble on Simmons/Ingram over Okafor.

[DK-All Day]

Nets pick for Okafor? Ainge is getting desperate.

[Valid]

Are there really people saying they wouldn't trade the Brooklyn pick for Okafor? It's most likely to be the 4-5 pick and he was the number 3 pick in a much stronger draft (plus he was projected to go 1 or 2 leading up to the draft.) He's averaging 17 and 8 in his rookie season so it's not like he's not living up to expectations. Defense is a concern but he's 20, he has time to improve - Love and Cousins don't play defense either and they've been in the league for years. It would've been a great trade. He'd be the number 2 pick in this year's draft. In what world is that not worth giving up the 4-5 pick for?

- He can't shoot.
- He doesn't get to the free-throw line.
- He isn't a great rebounder.
- He moves about as well as 1999 Patrick Ewing.
- He doesn't protect the rim.
- He doesn't guard the pick-and-roll.
- He has a minus-11.6 net rating on one of the worst teams in NBA history.

As I said in another thread: he is Al Jefferson with less rebounding and even worse defense. That wouldn't even be acceptable in the era where low-post bigs were prevalent; let alone now.

I am not trading a shot at Ben Simmons and probably the most powerful asset we have for that.

P.S. I really wish we would all stop using counting stats as a be-all-end-all. With all of the statistical data we have at our disposal now, we should be longgg past using a guy's point and rebound averages to determine how good of a player he is.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Okafor for a pick that would likely be around 4 or 5 would be a great deal for us. Specially since the best players in that part of the draft will likely be guards, unless we take a massive chance on Bender. People need to stop judging 20 year old players like they are a finished product. Specially 20 year old big men playing in the more ridiculous franchise in the NBA. Dude under Stevens would be a savage. If he played that is because he might have been benched for Zeller until he was 25 with the way Brad loves his vets. lol

[truth18]

Are there really people saying they wouldn't trade the Brooklyn pick for Okafor? It's most likely to be the 4-5 pick and he was the number 3 pick in a much stronger draft (plus he was projected to go 1 or 2 leading up to the draft.) He's averaging 17 and 8 in his rookie season so it's not like he's not living up to expectations. Defense is a concern but he's 20, he has time to improve - Love and Cousins don't play defense either and they've been in the league for years. It would've been a great trade. He'd be the number 2 pick in this year's draft. In what world is that not worth giving up the 4-5 pick for?

- He can't shoot.
- He doesn't get to the free-throw line.
- He isn't a great rebounder.
- He moves about as well as 1999 Patrick Ewing.
- He doesn't protect the rim.
- He doesn't guard the pick-and-roll.
- He has a minus-11.6 net rating on one of the worst teams in NBA history.

As I said in another thread: he is Al Jefferson with less rebounding and even worse defense. That wouldn't even be acceptable in the era where low-post bigs were prevalent; let alone now.

I am not trading a shot at Ben Simmons and probably the most powerful asset we have for that.

P.S. I really wish we would all stop using counting stats as a be-all-end-all. With all of the statistical data we have at our disposal now, we should be longgg past using a guy's point and rebound averages to determine how good of a player he is.

Yeah, I usually agree with you Valid, but you clearly don't watch the Sixers/Okafor making those comments. Not saying I trade the pick (though I would consider it), but he's much better than you are making him out to be with a high ceiling as well.

[BRUNiNHO91]

P.S. I really wish we would all stop using counting stats as a be-all-end-all. With all of the statistical data we have at our disposal now, we should be longgg past using a guy's point and rebound averages to determine how good of a player he is.

I'm the opposite. Advanced stats are great and all, but let's be honest. They can be extremely misleading. Just because the guy has low defensive numbers on one of the WORST teams in NBA history, playing next to 4 D-Leaguers or low offensive numbers playing without a single facilitator, no shooters no NOTHING, while you're a rookie shouldn't mean much. Specially when your franchise wants to lose. I'm pretty sure all those advanced stats would look a hell of a alot better if he playedd with Thomas, Bradley, Crowder and Amir on a team that wants to win basketball games and a system that works for him.

[BfB]

Are there really people saying they wouldn't trade the Brooklyn pick for Okafor? It's most likely to be the 4-5 pick and he was the number 3 pick in a much stronger draft (plus he was projected to go 1 or 2 leading up to the draft.) He's averaging 17 and 8 in his rookie season so it's not like he's not living up to expectations. Defense is a concern but he's 20, he has time to improve - Love and Cousins don't play defense either and they've been in the league for years. It would've been a great trade. He'd be the number 2 pick in this year's draft. In what world is that not worth giving up the 4-5 pick for?

- He can't shoot.
- He doesn't get to the free-throw line.
- He isn't a great rebounder.
- He moves about as well as 1999 Patrick Ewing.
- He doesn't protect the rim.
- He doesn't guard the pick-and-roll.
- He has a minus-11.6 net rating on one of the worst teams in NBA history.

As I said in another thread: he is Al Jefferson with less rebounding and even worse defense. That wouldn't even be acceptable in the era where low-post bigs were prevalent; let alone now.

I am not trading a shot at Ben Simmons and probably the most powerful asset we have for that.

P.S. I really wish we would all stop using counting stats as a be-all-end-all. With all of the statistical data we have at our disposal now, we should be longgg past using a guy's point and rebound averages to determine how good of a player he is.

...should probably be past summations of 1st year player's ability levels without appreciation for situational context either then too...

What you've seen from Okafor to date isn't the sum total of what he'll be in three years time or what he could be on a more functional team.

You're also assuming the great and powerful Ben Simmons won't be a net negative his rookie year on a piss poor team - doesn't defend at a high level either, nor is he going to score at a high level initially with no J.

He'll look a lot worse than his current hype as he struggles to do more than transition passing and rebounding once he's swimming in the big boy pool.

Don't fall for romancing the unknown

[Fencer reregistered]

P.S. I really wish we would all stop using counting stats as a be-all-end-all. With all of the statistical data we have at our disposal now, we should be longgg past using a guy's point and rebound averages to determine how good of a player he is.

I'm the opposite. Advanced stats are great and all, but let's be honest. They can be extremely misleading. Just because the guy has low defensive numbers on one of the WORST teams in NBA history, playing next to 4 D-Leaguers or low offensive numbers playing without a single facilitator, no shooters no NOTHING, while you're a rookie shouldn't mean much. Specially when your franchise wants to lose. I'm pretty sure all those advanced stats would look a hell of a alot better if he playedd with Thomas, Bradley, Crowder and Amir on a team that wants to win basketball games and a system that works for him.

And my spin is that the numbers are persuasive that he's been playing terribly. However, he's a young rookie with highly untrustworthy teammates, so that doesn't necessarily speak badly of his future.

By "highly untrustworthy", I am referring to a general lack of player skill AND confusion as to what the team is trying to accomplish anyway.

[Celts17Pride]

Nets pick for Okafor? Ainge is getting desperate.

It's comments like this that show me a lot of people are severely overrating the 2016 Brooklyn first rounder.

People realize that pick most likely is going to be 5th, 6th or 7th in the draft. Right?

[BfB]

If it wasn't Okafor, is there a reason why Philly's side still hasn't denied it? Personally, I don't think it was Okafor. Another misdirection by Danny. Dunno what he's playing at though. Not sure what to believe. I'm hoping for a more interesting draft night and offseason.

Misdirection...there's a macro play in the works.

- Bullpett
- Lowe
- IT
- Crowder

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