The Trade-Mill - Trade Thread Part Infinity

[GetGREEN]

Hello gents (and lasses)! Long time lurker, first time poster! Loosing my cherry as they say...

I was inspired to finally post, because I need some info, and everyone knows this board has the most informed sports posters on the internet.

I know a lot of people (myself included for the most part) was fine with Danny sitting tight at the deadline, thinking that we will have the same assets this summer and can make a move then. Bigger trades generally happen in the summer anyway. Of course, the BK16 pick might be more or less valuable after the lotto, but I digress. Here is my one concern: matching salaries.

Come summer, we no longer have Lee's big expiring deal to use to trade. That was a huge asset, meaning we could send him, along with a bunch of draft picks, and bring in a good player without upsetting our core even a little bit. That's no longer true. Same for Sully and Zeller to a lesser extent. Say Blake or even Butler do go on the block this summer, let's forget for a second the debate over if we want them, I am only using them as examples. My questions are about CBA feasibility. How do we get them now without sending out players we actually really want to keep solely because we need to match salaries?

1. When do we need to decide on Amir? Could we trade him on draft night and then the team that get's him decline his 2017 option? Or does that option need to be picked up before then?

2. I know we can do sign-and-trades, but that is messy and an extra level of difficult. So assuming Amir's option has already been picked up (or not) by draft night... how exactly are we going to match salaries to bring in a big time (big money) player via trade without giving up core members of our team? The fortunate/unfortunate part of how our team salary structure is lined up - we don't have much/any dead money we are looking to ship out and most of our guys don't make very much money. So we would need to send out multiple guys (like 3, 4 or 5 guys!) who we don't really want to loose and the other team would need to have enough roster spots to take them all back.

Danny has set us up pretty sweet with great contracts and draft assets, but the one thing we don't have for the first time in a long time is a big expiring contract to ship out in a big deal. Thoughts? I know a bunch of you haters are going to say we can ship out Bradly, but even if we wanted to do that, he doesn't make all that much. Is the answer simply Amir and Jerebko? My concern there is that we don't want to pick up their options until we know if we are going to be able to use our salary cap space to sign a free agent. So their pick-up dates seem key - and that is why I have made my first post!

In short: 1. When are the option dates for Amir/Jerebko. 2. How do we match salaries for a Star this summer?

Thanks team! Happy to be here

[truth18]

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Welcome to realgm! Excellent first post. I unfortunately do not have the answer to your question but I'm sure someone here knows the dates.

[Banks2Pierce]

In short: 1. When are the option dates for Amir/Jerebko. 2. How do we match salaries for a Star this summer?

Thanks team! Happy to be here

Think the decision on both Amir and Jerebko is July 3rd. So they would be available to move at the draft.

[Fencer reregistered]

Hi and welcome!

Quick and partial answer: If we have cap room, then matching salaries is not a need. You only have to match salaries if you're over the cap.

Hello gents (and lasses)! Long time lurker, first time poster! Loosing my cherry as they say...

I was inspired to finally post, because I need some info, and everyone knows this board has the most informed sports posters on the internet.

I know a lot of people (myself included for the most part) was fine with Danny sitting tight at the deadline, thinking that we will have the same assets this summer and can make a move then. Bigger trades generally happen in the summer anyway. Of course, the BK16 pick might be more or less valuable after the lotto, but I digress. Here is my one concern: matching salaries.

Come summer, we no longer have Lee's big expiring deal to use to trade. That was a huge asset, meaning we could send him, along with a bunch of draft picks, and bring in a good player without upsetting our core even a little bit. That's no longer true. Same for Sully and Zeller to a lesser extent. Say Blake or even Butler do go on the block this summer, let's forget for a second the debate over if we want them, I am only using them as examples. My questions are about CBA feasibility. How do we get them now without sending out players we actually really want to keep solely because we need to match salaries?

1. When do we need to decide on Amir? Could we trade him on draft night and then the team that get's him decline his 2017 option? Or does that option need to be picked up before then?

2. I know we can do sign-and-trades, but that is messy and an extra level of difficult. So assuming Amir's option has already been picked up (or not) by draft night... how exactly are we going to match salaries to bring in a big time (big money) player via trade without giving up core members of our team? The fortunate/unfortunate part of how our team salary structure is lined up - we don't have much/any dead money we are looking to ship out and most of our guys don't make very much money. So we would need to send out multiple guys (like 3, 4 or 5 guys!) who we don't really want to loose and the other team would need to have enough roster spots to take them all back.

Danny has set us up pretty sweet with great contracts and draft assets, but the one thing we don't have for the first time in a long time is a big expiring contract to ship out in a big deal. Thoughts? I know a bunch of you haters are going to say we can ship out Bradly, but even if we wanted to do that, he doesn't make all that much. Is the answer simply Amir and Jerebko? My concern there is that we don't want to pick up their options until we know if we are going to be able to use our salary cap space to sign a free agent. So their pick-up dates seem key - and that is why I have made my first post!

In short: 1. When are the option dates for Amir/Jerebko. 2. How do we match salaries for a Star this summer?

Thanks team! Happy to be here

[GetGREEN]

Hi and welcome!

Quick and partial answer: If we have cap room, then matching salaries is not a need. You only have to match salaries if you're over the cap.

Thanks everybody!

Fencer - isn't the issue with your solution that we would have to renounce Sully/Zeller/Turner to get that cap space? How far under the cap are we without Lee, but WITH all the cap-holds? And can we re-sign guys after we have renounced them? We just loose their Bird-rights? Or we loose them all together?

Edit: Also: Can we turn down Amir's option, and then resign him to a new deal later?

[lon3lytoaster]

Hi and welcome!

Quick and partial answer: If we have cap room, then matching salaries is not a need. You only have to match salaries if you're over the cap.

Thanks everybody!

Fencer - isn't the issue with your solution that we would have to renounce Sully/Zeller/Turner to get that cap space? How far under the cap are we without Lee, but WITH all the cap-holds? And can we re-sign guys after we have renounced them? We just loose their Bird-rights? Or we loose them all together?

Edit: Also: Can we turn down Amir's option, and then resign him to a new deal later?

Well here's the thing about the cap going into next summer. It's going up. A lot. To a projected figure of some 92 million dollars total.

The Celtics presently have about $52M in committed salary for next year and that's including both Amir Johnson and Jonas Jerebko, who are completely unguaranteed contracts at that point.

In regards to Zeller and Sullinger, we wouldn't necessarily have to renounce them to stay under the salary cap and sign at least one max free agent. They will (along with our other FA's) generate a cap hold, though of up to 250% on their last earned salary. However, with the cap raising money as much as it is and with as little as they both make, that's sort of a non-factor in my book.

If we were to renounce any free agents, we could sign them back with any remaining cap room we had but we wouldn't be able to exceed the cap to do so (the advantage of bird rights.) Amir Johnson and Evan Turner are the only players we don't have full bird rights to because they've been here for under three years and weren't acquired in a trade along with their bird rights.

In short, we don't necessarily need to renounce any of Sullinger, Zeller or Turner to be under the cap because it's rising dramatically. If we decided we did need to free up money, though we could opt to do that and we could still re-sign them provided we had money left over.

[VeryMuchWoke]

Amir/Jerebko don't have options, they have non guaranteed years with guarantee dates at least 2-3 days into the moratorium. By that point it'll be clear if any of the major free agents are in play for us. I believe waiving them before that date would relieve us of their cap holds.

We easily have room for one max free agent and should be able to easily find room for another, though that may require renouncing Sully/Zeller. That may depend on where the cap is set. It could be anywhere between 88M and 93M.

[KJandHondo35]

Just saw a post about DA's interview with Toucher & Rich - says he had a deal lined up for a superstar and the other (unnamed) team backed out last minute.

IMO had to be Griffin or Love and I'm leaning towards Griffin.

Apparently he went on and said it sets the groundwork for revisiting the trade later on and points out that they talked about/chased KG for 2 years before they got him.

Jahlil Okafor

We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen!!!
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/02/bulpett_celtics_made_the_smart_choice_at_trade_deadline

While a league source has indicated the late target Ainge has referred to in radio interviews was Philadelphia's Jahlil Okafor, Ainge has turned silent on the matter

[GetGREEN]

I knew this board would have the answers! Thanks everybody. Back to your regularly scheduled trade-thread-to-infinity now...

[Fencer reregistered]

Hi and welcome!

Quick and partial answer: If we have cap room, then matching salaries is not a need. You only have to match salaries if you're over the cap.

Thanks everybody!

Fencer - isn't the issue with your solution that we would have to renounce Sully/Zeller/Turner to get that cap space? How far under the cap are we without Lee, but WITH all the cap-holds? And can we re-sign guys after we have renounced them? We just loose their Bird-rights? Or we loose them all together?

Edit: Also: Can we turn down Amir's option, and then resign him to a new deal later?

You can look up the specific salaries yourself on a few sites. Hoopshype is one; I think it's no longer the best, but I keep forgetting what the better ones are, so I use it.

But the general answer is that cap space will be less scarce in the forthcoming offseason, by far, than in any previous offseason in the history of the salary cap. When Wyc says we could sign TWO max salary guys, that might take a bit of finagling. But only a bit. Signing one guy would be completely easy, no matter how high his salary might be.

[lon3lytoaster]

Amir/Jerebko don't have options, they have non garaunteed years with guarantee dates at least 2-3 days after the moratorium ends. By that point it'll be clear if any of the major free agents are in play for us. I believe waiving them before that date would relieve us if their cap holds.

We easily have room for one max free agent and should be able to easily find room for another, though that may require renouncing Sully/Zeller. That may depend on where the cap is set. It could be anywhere between 88M and 93M.

Right. This was actually a sly little move by Ainge to make the second year of both contracts unguaranteed versus a real team option clause. It opens the door for further trade possibilities. I'm not sure specifically when the deadline is to accept or decline player/team options but by wording the contract like how it is, it buys some time.

We or another team we trade Johnson to has until January 10th before the contract is guaranteed.

[ConstableGeneva]

This is still my go-to site for NBA salaries: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/boston-celtics-team-salary/

Eric Pincus regularly updates the pages from what I've seen. Guarantee date for JJ and Amir's 2nd year is July 3, 2016.

[Curmudgeon]

If anyone leaked Okafor's name, it was probably someone from the Sixers, to increase his trade value. Right now I'd take any one of the top 7 players from the DraftExpress mock over Okafor. In fact, Sullinger is a better player, although Sullinger will become considerably more expensive in a few months.

I'd give up the Brooklyn pick for Aaron Gordon or Zach LaVine long before I would trade it for Okafor, whose game does not translate well in today's NBA. He's just too slow at both ends.

[chakdaddy]

If anyone leaked Okafor's name, it was probably someone from the Sixers, to increase his trade value. Right now I'd take any one of the top 7 players from the DraftExpress mock over Okafor. In fact, Sullinger is a better player, although Sullinger will become considerably more expensive in a few months.

I'd give up the Brooklyn pick for Aaron Gordon or Zach LaVine long before I would trade it for Okafor, whose game does not translate well in today's NBA. He's just too slow at both ends.

I think Jahlil is the next Big Al for better or worse.

[Fencer reregistered]

I'd give up the Brooklyn pick for Aaron Gordon or Zach LaVine long before I would trade it for Okafor, whose game does not translate well in today's NBA. He's just too slow at both ends.

You like dunkers?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

lol how did that dude get banned in 4 posts

[truth18]

lol how did that dude get banned in 4 posts

Lol wtf? Banned user making a new account perhaps?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

lol how did that dude get banned in 4 posts

Lol wtf? Banned user making a new account perhaps?

weird hahah

[Fencer reregistered]

lol how did that dude get banned in 4 posts

I presume they think he's somebody else coming back under a new name.

That's always been a taboo. The only reason they let me do it is because my reason was that they didn't give adequate tech support on getting my original name back. I would have preferred that, but Darth Celtic agreed with my argument that he should either intercede to make that happen or else accept my new name, and he didn't want to bother with the first option.

Also -- I picked literally the least deceptive new name I could think of.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

lol how did that dude get banned in 4 posts

I presume they think he's somebody else coming back under a new name.

That's always been a taboo. The only reason the let me do it is because my reason was that they didn't give adequate tech support on getting my original name back. I would have preferred that, but Darth Celtic agreed with my argument that he should either intercede to make that happen or else accept my new name, and he didn't want to bother with the first option.

hahaaha yeah i remember.