2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

Ericb5 · Post #1501 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:41 pm

ET Da Gawd wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:I like Ingram. He's growing on me. He's also very young so his lack of strength isn't a concern to me. He will get stronger. It's not imperative he has to be that strong since he's a wing player. Ingram does need more moves though. He either jab steps and tries to blow by the defender or he backs you down and shoots over them. His handles aren't all that but with all that said I think I might rate him as a better prospect than Parker and Wiggins.

Ur buggin, Jabari has a much bigger range of moves, anddddd he plays against 4s in the league currently, Ingram would be bbq chicken if u put him at the 4, Parker is a wayyyy more complete player than Ingram, Ingram is just a glorified 3 chucker...not too high on him

Whether or not he can play the 4 is irrelevant in a comparison with Parker. Ingram is a 3/2 and Parker is 3/4 or 4/3 depending on who you ask.

Ingram is clearly a superior shooter and athlete to Parker. I don't think that you would disagree with that.

Neither one of them are much in the facilitating or rebounding department.

When people complain about Ingram's skinniness, they need to recognize his upward trajectory with that. He has put on 20 pounds in the last year or so, and he is basically just a skinny guy now. Highlights of him in high school make him look like an alien of some sort.

If he puts on another 20 pounds he would have no problems.

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iMoreland · Post #1502 » by **iMoreland** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:06 pm

Ben Simmons isn't hurt but he isn't in LSU's starting lineup

Kobblehead · Post #1503 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:09 pm

Ingram is a better athlete than Jabari Parker? No way. Ingram is pretty clunky as an athlete. Jabari Parker is fat and not fast-footed, but his athleticism is vastly underrated. He's 9th in the NBA in dunks this year despite coming off a knee surgery.

iMoreland · Post #1504 » by **iMoreland** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:34 pm

Ben Simmons looks disinterested

Unbreakable99 · Post #1505 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:46 pm

Nerlens No Ls wrote:Ben Simmons looks disinterested

Come on man. He's trying to lower his draft stock bcuae he doesn't want to risk going to the Sixers if we get the top pick. Get your troll game on. Everyone knows we don't want to win and will just keep trading our lottery picks. Wouldn't you look disinterred if you might get drafted by the Sixers?

Ericb5 · Post #1506 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:16 am

Kobblehead wrote:Ingram is a better athlete than Jabari Parker? No way. Ingram is pretty clunky as an athlete. Jabari Parker is fat and not fast-footed, but his athleticism is vastly underrated. He's 9th in the NBA in dunks this year despite coming off a knee surgery.

Ingram isn't all that fluid as an athlete, but I think that he has better foot speed and vertical explosion than Parker.

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freshie2 · Post #1507 » by **freshie2** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:47 am

Year 2 post ACL is when you truly return to a high level. Parker looks pretty good...does need to lose a little flab, which would help him improve otherwise. I'd be more worried about his range than knee/athletism.

Post #1508 » by **Stanford** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:19 am

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2016/2/16/10966798/ben-simmons-nba-draft-scouting-report-jump-shot

This is just bizarre. It really does look like he's shooting with the wrong hand.

timLH · Post #1509 » by **timLH** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:00 am

Might be wrong thread, but Parker just had a great game and played 51mins tonight. Wonder why he is stilled not allowed to shoot 3s though...

Negrodamus · Post #1510 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:01 am

Stanford wrote:http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2016/2/16/10966798/ben-simmons-nba-draft-scouting-report-jump-shot

This is just bizarre. It really does look like he's shooting with the wrong hand.

I, at a far worst % and capability, shoot this way. Dribbling and shooting with my right hand feels so much more natural than left, but my jumpshot is definitely left handed.

My shot doesn't look insane like his though. That is a bit concerning. Not MKG bad, but not great.

sixerswillrule · Post #1511 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:37 pm

Stanford wrote:http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2016/2/16/10966798/ben-simmons-nba-draft-scouting-report-jump-shot

This is just bizarre. It really does look like he's shooting with the wrong hand.

Yep, it's one of the strangest things I've seen on the court. It's not too uncommon for a player to go to his non-shooting hand a lot (Kyrie, Conley, Nash, etc.), but you pretty much never see a player deliberately and unwisely try to finish with his non-shooting hand when he's driving with his shooting hand, right into the defender. It's crazy.

Kobblehead · Post #1512 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:28 pm

If Buddy Hield was like 6'6" or 6'7", I'd feel so much more comfortable taking him in the 5-7 range. He's still probably worthy of it given his skill level and court performance.

ET Da Gawd · Post #1513 » by **ET Da Gawd** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:23 pm

Kobblehead wrote:If Buddy Hield was like 6'6" or 6'7", I'd feel so much more comfortable taking him in the 5-7 range. He's still probably worthy of it given his skill level and court performance.

His jumper is real, def the type of outside threat this roster needs

Kobblehead · Post #1514 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:32 pm

But is he C.J. McCollum or is he Jodie Meeks?

So hard to get a handle on him.

I wish he played defense or distributed a little more so I could feel better about taking such an undersized upperclassman guard in the top 10.

Negrodamus · Post #1515 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:35 pm

I'm very close to being Ingram #1, then Kris Dunn #2, and Simmons #3. I think Simmons definitely can be great in this league but I feel like there are issues that keep popping up that are unnerving to me. That article about his jumpshot didn't help either.

In my opinion, if we can't get Ingram, who has the size and skills to progress to a stud in the league, then Dunn is my pick. I would then use him as a Dwyane Wade type player. Yes, his turnovers are bad and his shot is not sexy, but he has elite speed and athleticism. Pair him up with a "3 and D" guard and I am satisfied with our front court. He is still only 21 and will be able to reduce turnovers. Hell, look at Marcus Smart on the Celtics. Was a turnover machine for Okie State and is now turning it over 1.3 pg in 27 minutes and Smart is only like a week older than him. Dunn won't be in a constant position of playmaking if he comes to Philly, and I wouldn't want him to be right off the bat. However, when the time comes at the end of the game, I would like the guy that can beat almost any, if not all, guards in the league off the dribble to try and make a play.

Kobblehead · Post #1516 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:13 pm

That's short-sighted as hell. Ben Simmons is so far and away the ONLY deserving guy to go #1 in this draft, it's not even funny.

Negrodamus · Post #1517 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:20 pm

Okay, then I'll be short sighted. I just think Ingram and Dunn will be better players. Call it what you want, but it's my opinion.

Kobblehead · Post #1518 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:28 pm

No chance. I've loved Dunn going on two years now and think he's going to be an excellent starter in this league, but Simmons is a perennial contender quality building block. Forwards that play both ends of the floor and distribute are unicorns.

Ingram isn't even in the discussion. He's all tools and potential, at this point. He has not had a great freshman year. He's in that Wiggins category right now.

Dell · Post #1519 » by **Dell** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:43 pm

I think it's interesting that people seem to lack the ability to talk positively about one player without knocking someone else. We're not in the worst spot here. Simmons, despite a slightly down last week (though still great numbers and he's playing with an injury) is a potential franchise changer. Brandon Ingram HAS had a great freshman season, he's averaging 17 and 7 plus a block and a steal a game while shooting over 40% from 3. Kris Dunn is a step down from those guys, but he projects to be a very nice starter in the NBA. Jamal Murray is absolutely on fire and even Jaylen Brown has picked his game up over the last few weeks. Then there's Bender and Hield and Ellenson. Not to mention Jacob Poeltl and Ivan Rabb (who are going to go a lot higher than people think). They aren't all perfect, but this draft unquestionably has some interesting players at the top.

Ericb5 · Post #1520 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:50 pm

Kobblehead wrote:No chance. I've loved Dunn going on two years now and think he's going to be an excellent starter in this league, but Simmons is a perennial contender quality building block. Forwards that play both ends of the floor and distribute are unicorns.

Ingram isn't even in the discussion. He's all tools and potential, at this point. He has not had a great freshman year. He's in that Wiggins category right now.

I agree that Ingram is in the Wiggins tier of prospects. Both of them are guys that have oodles of potential, but(as freshmen) were still behind in production.

They are both very worthy top 3 picks though in pretty much any draft. Guys like Durant that dominate college from the start are REALLY rare.

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