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Who would you prefer to take with the Washington pick?

Chriss
20
27%
Davis
5
7%
Korkmaz
2
3%
Labissiere
4
5%
Luwawu
12
16%
Rabb
12
16%
Sabonis
20
27%
 
Total votes: 75

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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#521 » by Barkley_34 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:26 pm

DRK wrote:I really like Nigel Hayes out of Wisconsin. 6'7, with 7'3 wingspan. Sort of like a do-it-all guy. Has 3 point range, and can play the 3 and 4. Uses his length well on D>

Would be a good get at the Cavs pick.


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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#522 » by Bogyo » Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:03 pm

Future Sun Ingram just starting the game against L'ville and hits from deep! :)
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#523 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:43 pm

Ingram having his worst game. 9 turnovers lol.
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#524 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:45 pm

I run the lottery simulators, and it makes me sick to see how many times the Pels or Twolves jump ahead of us and we end up 5 or 6. Got a feeling its going to be a bad day.
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#525 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:52 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:I run the lottery simulators, and it makes me sick to see how many times the Pels or Twolves jump ahead of us and we end up 5 or 6. Got a feeling its going to be a bad day.

Its very rare the team with the best odds wins the lottery. The 5 & 6 spots tend to do really well for whatever reason.
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#526 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:43 pm

carey wrote:There are a lot of players I like there. Diamond Stone, Sabonis, Rabb could be there which would be amazing, Skal (though admittedly he has a long, long way to go), Hield, and one of my personal favorites Melo Trimble.


There are beginning to be a bunch of PFs in that range - Deyonta Davis is a freshman who is progressing nicely...

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Projection Mid-First Round Pick
Positives
Long, athletic big man
Excellent rebounder/shot-blocker
Has range on his jumper out to 17 feet
Negatives
Needs to continue to add strength
Still lacks offensive polish in the paint


Marqueese Chris is apparently the fastest riser, at least on Ford's big board

Projection Mid-First Round Pick
Positives
Long, athletic forward
Explosive leaper
Good rebounder
Excellent shot-blocker
Emerging jump shooter
Negatives
Needs to add strength
Still raw offensively


These mocks are all so different. Some have Chris in a 2017 mock. Also Brice Johnson who sounds really good is high on one and sounds like a great prospect, but really low on others.
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#527 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:47 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Deyonta Davis/Brice Johnson are other PFs that will probably be available with the Washington pick but I'd rather take a flyer on Skal if he declares


Brice Johnson sounds great in the nbadraft.net write up, but then on Ford and DX ranking he is REALLY low. I think partially because they are always much higher on freshman. Johnson is likely a guy ready to contribute more quickly due to four years experience against top level competition in ACC while Davis and Marqueese Chris, or Rabb will be raw and likely take awhile.

Brice Davis:


NBA Comparison: Taj Gibson
Strengths: The 6-foot-9, 225-pound Johnson has the perfect mix of scoring instincts, size, and mobility ... He's a long, wiry, and top level athlete with great athleticism ... His game is very efficient ... He maintains a high-efficiency rate no matter if his usage rate is up or down from game-to-game ... Doesn't force the issue offensively and plays within himself ... He's a player who opts to take good shots .... As a result, he shoots a high percentage from the field ... Very effective as a scorer around the basket and at the rim (scores on put backs and alley oops) ... A skilled finisher around the rim and seems to have a knack for being at the right place at the right time ... Possess a soft touch on his jumpers and around the rim ... Explosive in the open court ... Gets out on the fast break and runs the floor extremely well ... Very mobile/agile and coordinated for a player his size ... Can outrun other bigs in transition and beat them to open spots where he can easily score ... Loves to play above the rim and is aided by his quick leaping abilities ...Very good dunker ... He has a reliable 15-foot jump shot ... Shows a good form and high release ... Looks capable of expanding his range even further ... Uses the glass nicely on some of his jumpers ... Has made significant strides in his free throw shooting to this point (shot 57 percent as a freshman and is currently shooting 80 percent as a senior) ... Shows consistency in rebounding his own misses ... Tremendous second leaper ... Defensively, his length, explosiveness, and quickness give him great potential ... Moves well enough for his size ... He can lock up his opponents when he's fully engaged on the defensive end ... Has improved as a shot blocker ... Has really nice upside overall ... A very dependable and reliable player on both ends of the floor ... Has a mature game and high IQ ...

Weaknesses: He's built into his frame quiet nicely since arriving at UNC in 2012, but continuing to add strength and bulk will be a major area of focus so that he can hold his own at the next level ... It remains to be seen if he can develop into a consistent floor spacer; as almost all of his offensive production comes inside the paint ... Shows some reluctance to shoot outside the paint at times ... Not sure if he'll be as much of a back-to-basket player at the next level due to his wiry frame ... Can continue to show improvement in his feel for the game, meaning his court vision and passing ability ... Doing so will allow teams to operate their offense through him outside of the paint and on the perimeter ... Puts up strong rebounding numbers but he'll sometimes shy away from physical contact on the boards ... Has to continue to work harder on boxing out his opponents ... He relies heavily on his length, quickness and instincts when going after loose balls; at the next level, he may not be able to rely only on these tools to be the elite rebounder he is at the college level ... Johnson's instincts on the defensive end could show improvement as well ... Gets caught biting on pump fakes often ... Sometimes looks to be out of sync with what's happening on the floor ... Close out speed and technique needs work ... Struggles to defend quicker players outside of the paint ... Gets in foul trouble easily when defending stronger players in the post because of his skinny frame ... Needs to work on consistently defending in a low stance ... Needs to work on keeping his intensity level up on defense ...

Overall: Johnson stepped foot in Chapel Hill as a top-50 prospect in the class of 2012 ... Despite his 6-foot-9, 187-pound lanky frame, he boasted a ton of potential on both ends of the floor ... Since then, he's become a pillar for UNC for the majority of his collegiate career ... The South Carolina native is currently in the middle of his senior season with the no. 5 ranked Tar Heels and is having his best season yet, averaging 16.7 points and 10.2 rebounds per contest ... This season figures to be his most important as the Tar Heels are considered to be in contention for Final Four spot, and it's his final chance to show scouts that would be a viable addition to an NBA team's roster ... The senior forward has the combination of athleticism and scoring prowess that will definitely attract the eye of some teams at the next level ... He's a very productive player although his overall skillset seems to be limited ... Johnson is one of the most agile and explosive big men in college basketball, and not many players at his position can finish around the hoop as well as he can ... Expanding his shooting range, improving his feel for the game, and tightening up some loose ends on the defensive end will ease his transition to the next level ... Teams will take a chance on him given his upside and potential to further develop his body frame ...
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#528 » by saintEscaton » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:13 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Deyonta Davis/Brice Johnson are other PFs that will probably be available with the Washington pick but I'd rather take a flyer on Skal if he declares


Brice Johnson sounds great in the nbadraft.net write up, but then on Ford and DX ranking he is REALLY low. I think partially because they are always much higher on freshman. Johnson is likely a guy ready to contribute more quickly due to four years experience against top level competition in ACC while Davis and Marqueese Chris, or Rabb will be raw and likely take awhile.




Jeezus UNC absolutely steamrolled a solid Miami team at home. He had that one cray game against FSU where he went for 36 points and corralled 23 boards.Most of his scoring came from putback dunks, second chance opportunities in the paint, he plays exclusively above the rim with some touch around it but isn't all that polished for a senior, looks like a bench big to me
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#529 » by SC923 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:29 am

After Simmons and Ingram the next guy I like is Jamal Murray. Looks like a better Booker with a much better handle.
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Post#530 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:39 am

Kentucky combo guard, he may as well just buy a house in Arizona.
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Post#531 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:19 am

SC923 wrote:After Simmons and Ingram the next guy I like is Jamal Murray. Looks like a better Booker with a much better handle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1FcEAJ-6Ok


I've joked a bit about him being the surefire pick for McD, being another Kentucky combo guard, but that was indeed impressive.
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#532 » by MathiasPW » Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:28 pm

There is no such thing as "a better Booker"

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Post#533 » by SC923 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:09 pm

MathiasPW wrote:There is no such thing as "a better Booker"

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Lol, Bookers shot is a little bit better but Murray has a much better handle and finishes well
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#534 » by Bogyo » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:31 pm

Addmitedly I have not seen this guy play a lot yet, but if we draft another combo guard while Knight is on the team I'm gonna break down and cry.
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Post#535 » by ATTL » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:40 pm

I don't see Murray as a combo guard at all, he's a two. He doesn't have the passing to be a combo guard. I'd rather take bender or rabb ahead of Murray.

With the Washington pick I'd like to look at luwawu if he's there, depending on if anyone else fell. Luwawu has good defensive skills and has flourished offensively on his new team this year.

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Post#536 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:46 pm

With all this talk of Bender, I'm considering going and playing ball in Europe. All I need to do is show good form on my jump shot and put in effort on the defensive end when I get some garbage time and I'll be the next JJ Redick. I won't even need to be as good a player Redick was in college, I would just let the press know it was my first season playing professional basketball and let everyone else talk about my potential up into the lottery. Get a few million dollars for my rookie deal and I'd be set.
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Post#537 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:53 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:With all this talk of Bender, I'm considering going and playing ball in Europe. All I need to do is show good form on my jump shot and put in effort on the defensive end when I get some garbage time and I'll be the next JJ Redick. I won't even need to be as good a player Redick was in college, I would just let the press know it was my first season playing professional basketball and let everyone else talk about my potential up into the lottery. Get a few million dollars for my rookie deal and I'd be set.


Bender has tremendous size, measuring 7-foot-1 last summer with a standing reach of 9-foot-3. His frame is still very thin and he has a long way to go, but he seems to be continuously filling out. He is a small forward/power forward right now, but with the direction the NBA is headed, it might not be a stretch to see him eventually developing into a modern-day center. While not a great jumper, Bender is extremely fluid, nimble and light on his feet for a player of his size. He’s regularly tasked with staying in front of significantly shorter small forwards on the perimeter and does not look bad doing so.

Bender’s perimeter shooting has improved dramatically since he arrived in Tel Aviv. He used to shoot the ball with ugly mechanics, but he’s raised his release point and is now shooting cleanly and fluidly. He’s seeing results this season, shooting 21 of 48 (43.8 percent) from beyond the arc. It’s a small sample size, but the way he shoots in practice and with the touch he displays, his jump shot is easy to project as being a significant weapon in the future.

Versatility has always been the key to Bender’s game. He was considered a non-shooter early in his career, yet continuously found ways to be productive with his passing, ball-handling and high basketball IQ. He plays with great confidence and does not hesitate to assert himself in games. Even when most young players would be comfortable parking in the corner and staying out of older teammates’ lanes, Bender comes into Euroleague games looking to make his presence felt.

Bender’s most underrated quality is his toughness. Some may look at his lanky frame and assume he’s just another soft European 7-footer who only wants to hide on the perimeter and jack up 3-pointers, but in reality that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Bender is a competitor who has a relentless motor. He was forced to sit out the initial part of a recent practice we attended to continue to rehab his foot injury (causing most of the dozen NBA scouts in attendance to leave), but begged his way back onto the floor. He proceeded to throw his body around with reckless abandon in five-on-five action. Maccabi’s staff urged him to take it easy, but Bender simply doesn’t know how to do that at this point in his career. He ended up tweaking his ankle after pursuing a rebound, which finally put him back on the sidelines.

“The kid is simply special,” a member of Maccabi’s coaching told The Vertical. “I’ve never been around someone that age with that kind of character. He’s not afraid of anything or anyone.”

In his own words
“When you step onto the court, its either 100 percent or it’s zero. … I did put a lot of work in the weight room, but I tried not to lose agility.
It’s important for me not to lose all those things, to keep my quickness and speed. I am definitely not in a rush with the physical part. I am in a rush with all these fundamental things. I know that this physical part will come with the years and the extra work, with food supplements and food programs. Those things are going to come, I am focused on these little things, these little details in my game.”


I haven't watched him much, but what I read always impresses me. There is a video on that article I quoted from. https://sports.yahoo.com/news/european-dispatch--getting-to-know-dragan-bender-195451386.html

It's hard to gauge just how good he is in comparison to guys in college. But I'd easily take him over guys like Rabb, and probably over Brown, who is good, but isn't really a PF and can't shoot from range. Rabb hasn't even shot a 3.

The truth is, outside of the top two, it's a crap shoot.

Ellenson MIGHT be better than Bender, but I'd take Bender.

We will likely pick 4th, so if Bender is gone, it will be interesting to see who we take.
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#538 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:03 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:With all this talk of Bender, I'm considering going and playing ball in Europe. All I need to do is show good form on my jump shot and put in effort on the defensive end when I get some garbage time and I'll be the next JJ Redick. I won't even need to be as good a player Redick was in college, I would just let the press know it was my first season playing professional basketball and let everyone else talk about my potential up into the lottery. Get a few million dollars for my rookie deal and I'd be set.


Bender has tremendous size, measuring 7-foot-1 last summer with a standing reach of 9-foot-3. His frame is still very thin and he has a long way to go, but he seems to be continuously filling out. He is a small forward/power forward right now, but with the direction the NBA is headed, it might not be a stretch to see him eventually developing into a modern-day center. While not a great jumper, Bender is extremely fluid, nimble and light on his feet for a player of his size. He’s regularly tasked with staying in front of significantly shorter small forwards on the perimeter and does not look bad doing so.

Bender’s perimeter shooting has improved dramatically since he arrived in Tel Aviv. He used to shoot the ball with ugly mechanics, but he’s raised his release point and is now shooting cleanly and fluidly. He’s seeing results this season, shooting 21 of 48 (43.8 percent) from beyond the arc. It’s a small sample size, but the way he shoots in practice and with the touch he displays, his jump shot is easy to project as being a significant weapon in the future.

Versatility has always been the key to Bender’s game. He was considered a non-shooter early in his career, yet continuously found ways to be productive with his passing, ball-handling and high basketball IQ. He plays with great confidence and does not hesitate to assert himself in games. Even when most young players would be comfortable parking in the corner and staying out of older teammates’ lanes, Bender comes into Euroleague games looking to make his presence felt.

Bender’s most underrated quality is his toughness. Some may look at his lanky frame and assume he’s just another soft European 7-footer who only wants to hide on the perimeter and jack up 3-pointers, but in reality that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Bender is a competitor who has a relentless motor. He was forced to sit out the initial part of a recent practice we attended to continue to rehab his foot injury (causing most of the dozen NBA scouts in attendance to leave), but begged his way back onto the floor. He proceeded to throw his body around with reckless abandon in five-on-five action. Maccabi’s staff urged him to take it easy, but Bender simply doesn’t know how to do that at this point in his career. He ended up tweaking his ankle after pursuing a rebound, which finally put him back on the sidelines.

“The kid is simply special,” a member of Maccabi’s coaching told The Vertical. “I’ve never been around someone that age with that kind of character. He’s not afraid of anything or anyone.”

In his own words
“When you step onto the court, its either 100 percent or it’s zero. … I did put a lot of work in the weight room, but I tried not to lose agility.
It’s important for me not to lose all those things, to keep my quickness and speed. I am definitely not in a rush with the physical part. I am in a rush with all these fundamental things. I know that this physical part will come with the years and the extra work, with food supplements and food programs. Those things are going to come, I am focused on these little things, these little details in my game.”


I haven't watched him much, but what I read always impresses me. There is a video on that article I quoted from. https://sports.yahoo.com/news/european-dispatch--getting-to-know-dragan-bender-195451386.html

It's hard to gauge just how good he is in comparison to guys in college. But I'd easily take him over guys like Rabb, and probably over Brown, who is good, but isn't really a PF and can't shoot from range. Rabb hasn't even shot a 3.

The truth is, outside of the top two, it's a crap shoot.

Ellenson MIGHT be better than Bender, but I'd take Bender.

We will likely pick 4th, so if Bender is gone, it will be interesting to see who we take.

No offense BW, but most of that stuff could be written about any player. There are two things in this that are concrete evidence - his 3 point shooting being 43% on an admittedly small sample size and him being 7-foot-1 with a 9-foot-3 standing reach.

I mean, I could describe Dusan Ristic of the Cats in a similar fashion, but that doesn't make him a top 5 pick. One of the biggest flaws of scouting is seeing flashes in small stretches and assuming that it will translate into brilliance in large stretches.
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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#539 » by DirtyDez » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:10 pm

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Disgraceful how? Simmons simply did not look like he cared one bit about winning or losing. Seemed primarily concerned w/ just looking cool.

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You never want to overreact to one game, so we'll have to see how Ben Simmons responds in the next few weeks. Tonight was just disgraceful.

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All you need to know about LSU's current state can be seen as timeouts get called. Bench absolutely lifeless. Ben Simmons by himself on end.

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This is going to be a game tape teams study closely. How does Ben Simmons respond to adversity? Not everything always goes your way in NBA.

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More from TV broadcast. Jones: "Academic matter, there are some academic things he needs to take care of. This is how we're dealing with it"

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Watching game, Ben Simmons looks checked out, seems to be going through motions. Has 5 turnovers. Hasn't bent his knees once on defense yet.


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Re: 2016 Draft and 2015-16 College Basketball 

Post#540 » by ATTL » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:12 pm

Is there anything Bender is better at compared to porzingis? I know bender is two years younger but he just seems like a lesser version. Not to stereotype them into being the same player but watching the videos that's the impression I get.

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