2016 Draft - Never too early

Mr B · Post #141 » by **Mr B** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:26 am

bluejerseyjinx wrote:I agree. Keep our nice O-Line and build around it. So lets unload Romo, Witten and Dez right now. Think of all the draft choices we could get for dez right now. Take our lumps this year, Stay at #4 and get your QB, then draft like hell with all our added picks with what we have now with the holes we need to fill.

That's not realistic for a couple of reasons. First' the cap won't allow that. Romo and Dez couldn't be traded even if anyone wanted to trade them. Also one of Jerry's flaws is that he can be too loyal. Until Demarcus Ware, Jerry had a justified reputation for being too loyal to his players and paying guys that didn't need to get paid. I don't think he will over pay Witten when he's free next but he won't trade him. Witten will be a Cowboys lifer.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #142 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:27 pm

Why not? You just admitted Romo is not one of the elite QB's and you don't see him lasting another two years and you also don't see the Cowboys making the Super Bowl within the next 2 years. Its 2 years later than I wanted to start this, so lets do it now. Witten is old, slow and imho, should have called it quits 2 years ago as well. And since you don't see us in the Super Bowl the next 2 years, then lets unload DEZ for as many picks as we can and really get to work bringing this team back to a real elite level. I bet we could get a lot for DEZ. We will never get more for him than his value right now. Just saying.
In over all theory, I do agree with you even though your 2 years late. But actually, we are still in a semi rebuild when you think about it. Except for the O-line, every position on this team can use upgrades, better skill and depth. My issue is we don't have Tom Landry anymore. I have no faith in our front office, we are a mess organizationally, absolutely no faith in Jerry or Jason Garrett. With that type of infastucture, anything could happen. I have a couple directions and approaches our team could take approaching the upcoming draft. But again, Jerry has his name on the checkbook and purse strings in the end. Again, Jerry has proven nothing to me since he bought the team. The only good thing Jerry ever did was hire Jimmy and Bill. And we know how that turned out. We have been a team that for the most part average, just one level of putting bags over our faces and heads like the Saints of the 70's.

Mr B · Post #143 » by **Mr B** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:18 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Why not? You just admitted Romo is not one of the elite QB's and you don't see him lasting another two years and you also don't see the Cowboys making the Super Bowl within the next 2 years. Its 2 years later than I wanted to start this, so lets do it now. Witten is old, slow and imho, should have called it quits 2 years ago as well. And since you don't see us in the Super Bowl the next 2 years, then lets unload DEZ for as many picks as we can and really get to work bringing this team back to a real elite level. I bet we could get a lot for DEZ. We will never get more for him than his value right now. Just saying.
In over all theory, I do agree with you even though your 2 years late. But actually, we are still in a semi rebuild when you think about it. Except for the O-line, every position on this team can use upgrades, better skill and depth. My issue is we don't have Tom Landry anymore. I have no faith in our front office, we are a mess organizationally, absolutely no faith in Jerry or Jason Garrett. With that type of infastucture, anything could happen. I have a couple directions and approaches our team could take approaching the upcoming draft. But again, Jerry has his name on the checkbook and purse strings in the end. Again, Jerry has proven nothing to me since he bought the team. The only good thing Jerry ever did was hire Jimmy and Bill. And we know how that turned out. We have been a team that for the most part average, just one level of putting bags over our faces and heads like the Saints of the 70's.

If this team was in a total tank mode and there was no salary cap I would agree that using Dez in a Herschel Walker type of trade would make sense. The problem is there is a cap and you just can't do it. The cap hit would be too huge by trading Dez and a Romo. I agree that this team is in a semi-rebuilding mode.

I agree that I have no faith in the coaching staff. I do have faith that Will McClay can find talent I just think that most of that talent gets waisted and ruined by Garrett and his staff.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #144 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:21 am

Besides QB, what part of our team needs the most attention?

Mr B · Post #145 » by **Mr B** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:04 am

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Besides QB, what part of our team needs the most attention?

DT, MLB, Safety, CB, and WR. Those are the areas that need the most attention. Haden is a solid rotation guy but should not be starting. I have no faith in Ro McClain and Lee cants stay healthy enough to play the position consistently. And as for the secondary, the only guys I can trust are Jones and Scandrick.

Oh and after Dez none of the other guys are consistent enough.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #146 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:28 am

That's why LB is extremely high on my list. Every time Sean Lee can't play or is injured, our defense always gets shredded.

Mr B · Post #147 » by **Mr B** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:08 am

Not to mention the times that McClain isn't motivated to give 100%. If they bring him back I fully expect that he'll retire at some during the season. He can't be trusted.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #148 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:22 am

I fully agree with you regarding McClain. Ship him out with Hardy and Gregory. Time to add Gregory to the expendable list.

Otis Driftwood · Post #149 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:38 pm

Well - guess we had better look at defensive ends a little more closely.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #150 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:59 pm

Nope. Forget it. Mr. B is right. Let use our picks on a QB, RB and WR. Let go all out on the offense and out score everyone week in and week out. We just need to do a better job bringing up practice squad players to play defense.

Mr B · Post #151 » by **Mr B** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:34 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Nope. Forget it. Mr. B is right. Let use our picks on a QB, RB and WR. Let go all out on the offense and out score everyone week in and week out. We just need to do a better job bringing up practice squad players to play defense.

QB at 4 is really the only offensive player I want in the draft. After that a 1-tech in the second and MLB in the 3rd. Use FA to bring in Mario Williams, Lamar Miller and a safety.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #152 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:23 am

Why Mario Williams? Just keep Hardy. Replace trouble with trouble. Wow. Thought we already addressed him a few weeks ago. We have no choice now. We must get Bosa now. Then a DT-1 and Lb. I still think now is the good time to trade back a little, to gain an early, extra round draft choice.

Mr B · Post #153 » by **Mr B** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:25 am

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Why Mario Williams? Just keep Hardy. Replace trouble with trouble. Wow. Thought we already addressed him a few weeks ago. We have no choice now. We must get Bosa now. Then a DT-1 and Lb. I still think now is the good time to trade back a little, to gain an early, extra round draft choice.

Mario Williams doesn't bring the same type of baggage that Hardy does. He's never been accused of beating women. And until the Bills switched to a 3-4 this year he has been a double digit sack guy his entire career.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #154 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:43 am

We can do a lot better in free agency than Mario Williams. I'd rather draft another lineman in the draft than waste $$$ that way.

Mr B · Post #155 » by **Mr B** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:14 am

I agree we can definitely do better, like Olivier Vernon from Miami. That's if Miami doesn't franchise him. He'll be expensive to pry away from the Dolphins. Williams won't cost anywhere near as much as Vernon. Who else is free?

bluejerseyjinx · Post #156 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:41 pm

I was hoping we only picked up 2 free agents, both for the offense. I still like your idea of Lamar Miller at running back and if the price is decent, I still like Jefferies at WR on the opposite side of Dez. I'm not a big free agent type of guy, but I would do this. With our O-line and these 2 additions, I love the offense going into next season. Outside of back up QB of course. The defense, well, that's a whole different story. Except for Lee and Scandrick, and possibly B. Jones, we have crap. So I have no problem at all using the whole damn draft on defense. Of course I have been saying this for 4 years running now. Ask Roadhog. He's known me since the ESPN/ Disney days.

Otis Driftwood · Post #157 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:36 am

Having talked to a few of my buddies up in Illinois, the sense is that Jeffery will get franchised. They would have no weapons whatsoever if he left. He's not going anywhere.

I just wonder what the price for Miller is going to be. You can figure a four deal will be required. But I wouldn't be disappointed if they used every pick on the defense this year. It's our most glaring weakness and has been for a few years.

Of course, I add this provision. I've felt for years that you should take an offensive lineman in every draft. We've seen what happens when the O-Line gets old. So if they draft a kid to groom there I will never complain. Ever.

Mr B · Post #158 » by **Mr B** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:33 am

Roadhog Moran wrote:Having talked to a few of my buddies up in Illinois, the sense is that Jeffery will get franchised. They would have no weapons whatsoever if he left. He's not going anywhere.

I just wonder what the price for Miller is going to be. You can figure a four deal will be required. But I wouldn't be disappointed if they used every pick on the defense this year. It's our most glaring weakness and has been for a few years.

Of course, I add this provision. I've felt for years that you should take an offensive lineman in every draft. We've seen what happens when the O-Line gets old. So if they draft a kid to groom there I will never complain. Ever.

What did the Cowboys offer Murray last year? Was it $4 mil per year for 4 years? That's where I would start for Miller.

Otis Driftwood · Post #159 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:29 pm

Mr B wrote:
Roadhog Moran wrote:Having talked to a few of my buddies up in Illinois, the sense is that Jeffery will get franchised. They would have no weapons whatsoever if he left. He's not going anywhere.

I just wonder what the price for Miller is going to be. You can figure a four deal will be required. But I wouldn't be disappointed if they used every pick on the defense this year. It's our most glaring weakness and has been for a few years.

Of course, I add this provision. I've felt for years that you should take an offensive lineman in every draft. We've seen what happens when the O-Line gets old. So if they draft a kid to groom there I will never complain. Ever.

What did the Cowboys offer Murray last year? Was it $4 mil per year for 4 years? That's where I would start for Miller.

As I recall, it was somewhere around 4/$20M. That ain't gonna get him in here I suspect.

Mr B · Post #160 » by **Mr B** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:38 pm

Roadhog Moran wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Roadhog Moran wrote:Having talked to a few of my buddies up in Illinois, the sense is that Jeffery will get franchised. They would have no weapons whatsoever if he left. He's not going anywhere.

I just wonder what the price for Miller is going to be. You can figure a four deal will be required. But I wouldn't be disappointed if they used every pick on the defense this year. It's our most glaring weakness and has been for a few years.

Of course, I add this provision. I've felt for years that you should take an offensive lineman in every draft. We've seen what happens when the O-Line gets old. So if they draft a kid to groom there I will never complain. Ever.

What did the Cowboys offer Murray last year? Was it $4 mil per year for 4 years? That's where I would start for Miller.

As I recall, it was somewhere around 4/$20M. That ain't gonna get him in here I suspect.

It's going to be interesting to see what they will be willing to spend.