Game 55: Pistons (27-27) @ Wizards (24-28) - 7 PM EST

[DetroitPistons]

This season the scouting and opposing teams have more information and more effective ways to stop our 1-5 pnr. RG has just not been able to kick it out after penetration. When he tries is in last second desperation because the paint is clogged and he has nowhere to go. He has to recognize the passing lane and take the decision a lot earlier


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Maybe he should just stop being so ball dominant all the time on offense. Harris seems to have a good handle and getting a shot off so hopefully he can take some pressure off of him.

The way he should accomplish this is by drive and kick offense. When he kicks it out to a guy like KCP, Harris, or Johnson THEN they can either shoot if open or put the ball on the floor for a second drive. Seriously, having 4 good ballhandlers who can drive and also shoot and a C who can score should make us ridiculously hard to defend but somehow our offense still stagnates. I'll be patient until SVG wisely starts Harris (It BETTER be next game...) and Johnson but even that won't matter unless RJ is looking to pass out of the P&R.

[DetroitPistons]

Come on guys, see the silver lining. Might not have traded away next year's draft pick after all.

[DetroitPistons]

This season the scouting and opposing teams have more information and more effective ways to stop our 1-5 pnr. RG has just not been able to kick it out after penetration. When he tries is in last second desperation because the paint is clogged and he has nowhere to go. He has to recognize the passing lane and take the decision a lot earlier


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Absolutely spot on

[Todd3]

This season the scouting and opposing teams have more information and more effective ways to stop our 1-5 pnr. RG has just not been able to kick it out after penetration. When he tries is in last second desperation because the paint is clogged and he has nowhere to go. He has to recognize the passing lane and take the decision a lot earlier


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He avg about the same number of passes per game as Parker and Teague. 2 PGs who play in similar pick & roll based PG dominant offenses. He's also 10th in the league in potential assists among starting PGs. That measures how many extra assists he would have if his teammates made all the shots off his passes. Meaning he is creating shots for his teammates just as much as other PGs, but his teammates aren't making them. He's 10th in assist % too

I'm not saying he is perfect but his playmaking is the least of our problems. You say he needs to recognize passing lanes sooner, but if the end result is a 3 by one of our many 30% shooters, is his playmaking really the problem? The problem is we have no one to complete the play whether he makes the pass or not.

[Laimbeer]

This season the scouting and opposing teams have more information and more effective ways to stop our 1-5 pnr. RG has just not been able to kick it out after penetration. When he tries is in last second desperation because the paint is clogged and he has nowhere to go. He has to recognize the passing lane and take the decision a lot earlier


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Maybe he should just stop being so ball dominant all the time on offense. Harris seems to have a good handle and getting a shot off so hopefully he can take some pressure off of him.

The way he should accomplish this is by drive and kick offense. When he kicks it out to a guy like KCP, Harris, or Johnson THEN they can either shoot if open or put the ball on the floor for a second drive. Seriously, having 4 good ballhandlers who can drive and also shoot and a C who can score should make us ridiculously hard to defend but somehow our offense still stagnates. I'll be patient until SVG wisely starts Harris (It BETTER be next game...) and Johnson but even that won't matter unless RJ is looking to pass out of the P&R.

Not really. They aren't reliable shooters. This team lacks that and it could be a real problem.

[Todd3]

This season the scouting and opposing teams have more information and more effective ways to stop our 1-5 pnr. RG has just not been able to kick it out after penetration. When he tries is in last second desperation because the paint is clogged and he has nowhere to go. He has to recognize the passing lane and take the decision a lot earlier


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Maybe he should just stop being so ball dominant all the time on offense. Harris seems to have a good handle and getting a shot off so hopefully he can take some pressure off of him.

The way he should accomplish this is by drive and kick offense. When he kicks it out to a guy like KCP, Harris, or Johnson THEN they can either shoot if open or put the ball on the floor for a second drive. Seriously, having 4 good ballhandlers who can drive and also shoot and a C who can score should make us ridiculously hard to defend but somehow our offense still stagnates. I'll be patient until SVG wisely starts Harris (It BETTER be next game...) and Johnson but even that won't matter unless RJ is looking to pass out of the P&R.

But they can't shoot.

[Blkbrd671]

Come on guys, see the silver lining. Might not have traded away next year's draft pick after all.

SVG actual plan

win the trade season

Win the draft

[ducler]

This season the scouting and opposing teams have more information and more effective ways to stop our 1-5 pnr. RG has just not been able to kick it out after penetration. When he tries is in last second desperation because the paint is clogged and he has nowhere to go. He has to recognize the passing lane and take the decision a lot earlier


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He avg about the same number of passes per game as Parker and Teague. 2 PGs who play in similar pick & roll based PG dominant offenses. He's also 10th in the league in potential assists among starting PGs. That measures how many extra assists he would have if his teammates made all the shots off his passes. Meaning he is creating shots for his teammates just as much as other PGs, but his teammates aren't making them. He's 10th in assist % too

I'm not saying he is perfect but his playmaking is the least of our problems. You say he needs to recognize passing lanes sooner, but if the end result is a 3 by one of our many 30% shooters, is his playmaking really the problem? The problem is we have no one to complete the play whether he makes the pass or not.

I don't think it's only the fact that we have many 30% 3 points shooters, it could also be the fact that Reggie's passes are not always good enough for them to be in a good situation to score. Good passes = good shots.

Personally, I'm not a fan of our offensive game at the moment, I want to see more ball movement and less dribbles. We have good passers in the team other than Reggie (Mook, DMO, SJ, even KCP and maybe Tobias), we should use that more and more!

[cace]

I think SVG has made a mistake in bringing in Reggie. He has poor defence which collapses the entire team's defence, and he fails as a floor general. Compare him with Billups.... Reggie has a long way to go. Sadly, if Jennings hadnt injured his ankle, we wouldnt have needed to get Reggie.

[cace]

I am also sad to say that our centerpiece center is continuously being outplayed by other average centers. His shooting woes aside, he doesnt want to give much energy in his play.

This team will not go very far as long as Andre continues to play like this.

[Todd3]

This season the scouting and opposing teams have more information and more effective ways to stop our 1-5 pnr. RG has just not been able to kick it out after penetration. When he tries is in last second desperation because the paint is clogged and he has nowhere to go. He has to recognize the passing lane and take the decision a lot earlier


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He avg about the same number of passes per game as Parker and Teague. 2 PGs who play in similar pick & roll based PG dominant offenses. He's also 10th in the league in potential assists among starting PGs. That measures how many extra assists he would have if his teammates made all the shots off his passes. Meaning he is creating shots for his teammates just as much as other PGs, but his teammates aren't making them. He's 10th in assist % too

I'm not saying he is perfect but his playmaking is the least of our problems. You say he needs to recognize passing lanes sooner, but if the end result is a 3 by one of our many 30% shooters, is his playmaking really the problem? The problem is we have no one to complete the play whether he makes the pass or not.

I don't think it's only the fact that we have many 30% 3 points shooters, it could also be the fact that Reggie's passes are not always good enough for them to be in a good situation to score. Good passes = good shots.

Personally, I'm not a fan of our offensive game at the moment, I want to see more ball movement and less dribbles. We have good passers in the team other than Reggie (Mook, DMO, SJ, even KCP and maybe Tobias), we should use that more and more!

Ersan and Tolliver both made a good % of their 3s off his passes with no problem. Most of our 3s come unguarded. Some can make 3s and others can't, that's all. I don't notice any issue with how he's delivering the passes, personally.

I want more ball movement too. I just think defenses are smart and know that if we can't make 3s and the ball eventually needs to come to the paint to score, they're not going to chase it, they'll just wait for it to come to them. So passing it around more doesn't accomplish much until we get better shooters imo. Besides we're getting uncontested 3s now anyways off the pick & roll, so if the goal of more ball movement is to get better looks, we're already getting them. Guys just aren't making them.

The problem with using other guys more than just Reggie is all these guys are iso players for the most part, so if its' not Reggie dribbling it's just someone else doing the same. We need spot-up shooters so we can move ball around and guys don't need to stop and take 4 dribbles to score. That's what prevents our ball movement. It's just 1 iso guy passing to another and around it goes taking turns iso'ing because no one can just spot up and shoot consistently to play off each other.

[afroxnas]

This season the scouting and opposing teams have more information and more effective ways to stop our 1-5 pnr. RG has just not been able to kick it out after penetration. When he tries is in last second desperation because the paint is clogged and he has nowhere to go. He has to recognize the passing lane and take the decision a lot earlier


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He avg about the same number of passes per game as Parker and Teague. 2 PGs who play in similar pick & roll based PG dominant offenses. He's also 10th in the league in potential assists among starting PGs. That measures how many extra assists he would have if his teammates made all the shots off his passes. Meaning he is creating shots for his teammates just as much as other PGs, but his teammates aren't making them. He's 10th in assist % too

I'm not saying he is perfect but his playmaking is the least of our problems. You say he needs to recognize passing lanes sooner, but if the end result is a 3 by one of our many 30% shooters, is his playmaking really the problem? The problem is we have no one to complete the play whether he makes the pass or not.

I hear you and I agree to some extent. Obviously our poor outside shooting is a significant factor in the state of our offense. But We're number 29 in the league catch and shoots(%of shots taken), in large part because Our ball movement sucks. As with all teams it starts with the PG


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[Finn McCool]

I am also sad to say that our centerpiece center is continuously being outplayed by other average centers. His shooting woes aside, he doesnt want to give much energy in his play.

This team will not go very far as long as Andre continues to play like this.

I expect his effort to get much worse once he gets paid.

[Todd3]

This season the scouting and opposing teams have more information and more effective ways to stop our 1-5 pnr. RG has just not been able to kick it out after penetration. When he tries is in last second desperation because the paint is clogged and he has nowhere to go. He has to recognize the passing lane and take the decision a lot earlier


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He avg about the same number of passes per game as Parker and Teague. 2 PGs who play in similar pick & roll based PG dominant offenses. He's also 10th in the league in potential assists among starting PGs. That measures how many extra assists he would have if his teammates made all the shots off his passes. Meaning he is creating shots for his teammates just as much as other PGs, but his teammates aren't making them. He's 10th in assist % too

I'm not saying he is perfect but his playmaking is the least of our problems. You say he needs to recognize passing lanes sooner, but if the end result is a 3 by one of our many 30% shooters, is his playmaking really the problem? The problem is we have no one to complete the play whether he makes the pass or not.

I hear you and I agree to some extent. Obviously our poor outside shooting is a significant factor in the state of our offense. But We're number 29 in the league catch and shoots(%of shots taken), in large part because Our ball movement sucks. As with all teams it starts with the PG


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On nba.com they have us ranked 11th in 3FGAs taken with 0 dribbles and 20th in 2FGAs.

That means we're taking a lot of iso 2s, but also a lot of catch & shoot 3s, which goes with the makeup of the system - we run a lot of pick & rolls for 2s or passes for catch & shoot 3s. So Reggie actually is getting us a lot of the type of shots you've been referring to, but the problem is we're only 25th in 3FG% on those catch & shoots. Meaning it's the guys he's passing to not being able to convert that's the problem, not him.

3FGA w/ 0 dribbles
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&DribbleRange=0%20Dribbles

3FG% w/ 0 dribbles
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3_PCT&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&DribbleRange=0%20Dribbles

We're also 5th in the league in 3FGAs w/ no defender within 4-6' and 8th in 2FGAs vs defenders within 0-2'. That stat says it all to me. It means teams are packing the paint and daring our 3pt shooters to beat them. Except they haven't, because on said 3s we only convert 32.7%, good for 25th in the league.

Again showing that Reggie is getting our shooters good looks and they just aren't making them. Also shows why people need to stop blaming Reggie & Drummond when they're unable to score in the paint against extra defenders because our shooters can't shoot.

Basically we have 2 options on offense - Either take low percentage contested 2s because the paint is packed, or low percentage uncontested 3s because our shooters can't make them.

More ball movement isn't going to change that. The only thing that is going to change it is our shooters making their 3s to create better looks in the paint. GSW (the best ball movement team of all time) gets the same 12 3FGAs per game within 4-6' of defenders as we do in our offense. The difference is they make theirs at 40.6%.

3FGAs within 4-6' of defenders
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open

3FG% within 4-6' of defenders
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3_PCT&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open

2FGAs within 0-2' of defenders
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG2A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight

[afroxnas]

He avg about the same number of passes per game as Parker and Teague. 2 PGs who play in similar pick & roll based PG dominant offenses. He's also 10th in the league in potential assists among starting PGs. That measures how many extra assists he would have if his teammates made all the shots off his passes. Meaning he is creating shots for his teammates just as much as other PGs, but his teammates aren't making them. He's 10th in assist % too

I'm not saying he is perfect but his playmaking is the least of our problems. You say he needs to recognize passing lanes sooner, but if the end result is a 3 by one of our many 30% shooters, is his playmaking really the problem? The problem is we have no one to complete the play whether he makes the pass or not.

I hear you and I agree to some extent. Obviously our poor outside shooting is a significant factor in the state of our offense. But We're number 29 in the league catch and shoots(%of shots taken), in large part because Our ball movement sucks. As with all teams it starts with the PG


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On nba.com they have us ranked 11th in 3FGAs taken with 0 dribbles and 20th in 2FGAs.

That means we're taking a lot of iso 2s, but also a lot of catch & shoot 3s, which goes with the makeup of the system - we run a lot of pick & rolls for 2s or passes for catch & shoot 3s. So Reggie actually is getting us a lot of the type of shots you've been referring to, but the problem is we're only 25th in 3FG% on those catch & shoots. Meaning it's the guys he's passing to not being able to convert that's the problem, not him.

3FGA w/ 0 dribbles
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&DribbleRange=0%20Dribbles

3FG% w/ 0 dribbles
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3_PCT&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&DribbleRange=0%20Dribbles

We're also 5th in the league in 3FGAs w/ no defender within 4-6' and 8th in 2FGAs vs defenders within 0-2'. That stat says it all to me. It means teams are packing the paint and daring our 3pt shooters to beat them. Except they haven't, because on said 3s we only convert 32.7%, good for 25th in the league.

Again showing that Reggie is getting our shooters good looks and they just aren't making them. Also shows why people need to stop blaming Reggie & Drummond when they're unable to score in the paint against extra defenders because our shooters can't shoot.

Basically we have 2 options on offense - Either take low percentage contested 2s because the paint is packed, or low percentage uncontested 3s because our shooters can't make them.

More ball movement isn't going to change that. The only thing that is going to change it is our shooters making their 3s to create better looks in the paint. GSW (the best ball movement team of all time) gets the same 12 3FGAs per game within 4-6' of defenders as we do in our offense. The difference is they make theirs at 40.6%.

3FGAs within 4-6' of defenders
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open

3FG% within 4-6' of defenders
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3_PCT&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open

2FGAs within 0-2' of defenders
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG2A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight

Well Todd3 you have made a compelling and well supported point! I guess my only additional question is how much of those uncontested 3s come off RJ's drives to the basket. My eye test suggests it's not many, but you sir, have shown how unreliable its is


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[Todd3]

I hear you and I agree to some extent. Obviously our poor outside shooting is a significant factor in the state of our offense. But We're number 29 in the league catch and shoots(%of shots taken), in large part because Our ball movement sucks. As with all teams it starts with the PG


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On nba.com they have us ranked 11th in 3FGAs taken with 0 dribbles and 20th in 2FGAs.

That means we're taking a lot of iso 2s, but also a lot of catch & shoot 3s, which goes with the makeup of the system - we run a lot of pick & rolls for 2s or passes for catch & shoot 3s. So Reggie actually is getting us a lot of the type of shots you've been referring to, but the problem is we're only 25th in 3FG% on those catch & shoots. Meaning it's the guys he's passing to not being able to convert that's the problem, not him.

3FGA w/ 0 dribbles
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&DribbleRange=0%20Dribbles

3FG% w/ 0 dribbles
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3_PCT&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&DribbleRange=0%20Dribbles

We're also 5th in the league in 3FGAs w/ no defender within 4-6' and 8th in 2FGAs vs defenders within 0-2'. That stat says it all to me. It means teams are packing the paint and daring our 3pt shooters to beat them. Except they haven't, because on said 3s we only convert 32.7%, good for 25th in the league.

Again showing that Reggie is getting our shooters good looks and they just aren't making them. Also shows why people need to stop blaming Reggie & Drummond when they're unable to score in the paint against extra defenders because our shooters can't shoot.

Basically we have 2 options on offense - Either take low percentage contested 2s because the paint is packed, or low percentage uncontested 3s because our shooters can't make them.

More ball movement isn't going to change that. The only thing that is going to change it is our shooters making their 3s to create better looks in the paint. GSW (the best ball movement team of all time) gets the same 12 3FGAs per game within 4-6' of defenders as we do in our offense. The difference is they make theirs at 40.6%.

3FGAs within 4-6' of defenders
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open

3FG% within 4-6' of defenders
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3_PCT&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open

2FGAs within 0-2' of defenders
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG2A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight

Well Todd3 you have made a compelling and well supported point! I guess my only additional question is how much of those uncontested 3s come off RJ's drives to the basket. My eye test suggests it's not many, but you sir, have shown how unreliable its is


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I'm not exactly sure on that one, but I do know Reggie has the ball the most and leads the team in ast % (10th in the league), and that our offense is almost entirely Reggie pick & roll/shoot/pass to Dre/or pass for 3s, so I would guess most of those uncontested 3s are coming from Reggie's passes off the pick & roll.

[StunnaStan]

Kcp is bricking. Bring in sj