Ersan Ilyasova Hype Thread

[Blue_and_Whte]

"Sometimes it's not about age," Ilyasova said. "It's all about example — obviously, if you set the example as far playing hard, bringing energy. When you look at the league and all those guys [like] Dirk [Nowitzki and] Kobe [Bryant], they're still close to 35, but they always bring that energy when you look at them. With my 28, I have to bring even more. In this league, it doesn't matter how old [you are] but if you play hard and bring that energy, you set the example for even young guys."

And you know..because 28 is soooooo old.

[OrlChamps2030]

"Sometimes it's not about age," Ilyasova said. "It's all about example — obviously, if you set the example as far playing hard, bringing energy. When you look at the league and all those guys [like] Dirk [Nowitzki and] Kobe [Bryant], they're still close to 35, but they always bring that energy when you look at them. With my 28, I have to bring even more. In this league, it doesn't matter how old [you are] but if you play hard and bring that energy, you set the example for even young guys."

[Raider_MXD]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1428301
and
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1427837

Having cap space usually is great, but with the rising cap many teams have spare money and therefore a rebuilding small market team might not look too attractive for free agents.

Open up playing time for AG and Mario so they can hopefully get a good burn for the rest of the season. Also, both Ersan and Jenninga will propably be gone in the summer so... capspace. Pretty decent capspace. Besides, Tobes as a high mpg player was causing issues at the 3-4 for AG and Mario who ai think clearly are our future forwards.

As far as I am concerned it would have been wiser to at least acquire picks in the process. Renting two players of dubious quality does not sound appealing to me and regarding cap space see above.

I feel like those that keep defending Nicholson and noting how awesome he is if he would only get a chance remind me so much of the KOQ defenders from last year. Of course, now no one remembers that but it was crazy. I certainly wish Nicholson the best but it is clear (to me anyway) he is only a borderline NBA player at best.

I'm not defending Nicholson, I'm just saying Ilyasova does not look like much of an upgrade.

The move I'm fine with is getting rid of Frye because he brought little to the team, had minimal market value, a rather large contract for his limited production and is probably on the downside of his career.

[silent1900]

Ilyasova kinda looks like Mario's older brother who did a couple of years in prison cuz he took the rap for his boys on a bank robbery gone bad and now he is out living at his parent's house working a construction job.

[ezzzp]

Having cap space usually is great, but with the rising cap many teams have spare money and therefore a rebuilding small market team might not look too attractive for free agents.

I keep hearing you and other's say that. Please show me an example of that.

One of last year's biggest free agent signing Greg Monroe went to a team who's prior seasons where 41-41 and 15-67. Aldridge went to a super small market for a chance to win a ring. He didn't pick the bigger markets or one where he would be the focal point. The rest of the top free agents stayed with the teams that drafted them.

Who are these free agents that are not picking smaller markets? The big free agents prioritize money and winning.

Very few of the teams that have max salary capacity are also near contention. The ones that do, need to renounce a key free agent to have that space (for example Memphis with Conley or Houston with Howard). All that before bringing in roster to need/fit to the equation.

There are only 3 teams that can off two maxes (LA, Philly and Orlando); and there are only 7-8 total teams that can actually offer the mid tier Max or above (including those teams that would need to renounce their own free agents to get there).

Sure none of it is a guarantee, but the myth that stars won't sign in Orlando on some convoluted market size idea is BS.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Having cap space usually is great, but with the rising cap many teams have spare money and therefore a rebuilding small market team might not look too attractive for free agents.

I keep hearing you and other's say that. Please show me an example of that.

One of last year's biggest free agent signing Greg Monroe went to a team who's prior seasons where 41-41 and 15-67. Aldridge went to a super small market for a chance to win a ring. He didn't pick the bigger markets or one where he would be the focal point. The rest of the top free agents stayed with the teams that drafted them.

Who are these free agents that are not picking smaller markets? The big free agents prioritize money and winning.

Very few of the teams that have max salary capacity are also near contention. The ones that do, need to renounce a key free agent to have that space (for example Memphis with Conley or Houston with Howard). All that before bringing in roster to need/fit to the equation.

There are only 3 teams that can off two maxes (LA, Philly and Orlando); and there are only 7-8 total teams that can actually offer the mid tier Max or above (including those teams that would need to renounce their own free agents to get there).

Sure none of it is a guarantee, but the myth that stars won't sign in Orlando on some convoluted market size idea is BS.

I have no clue what they're talking about either.

[AddiFB]

Having cap space usually is great, but with the rising cap many teams have spare money and therefore a rebuilding small market team might not look too attractive for free agents.

I keep hearing you and other's say that. Please show me an example of that.

One of last year's biggest free agent signing Greg Monroe went to a team who's prior seasons where 41-41 and 15-67. Aldridge went to a super small market for a chance to win a ring. He didn't pick the bigger markets or one where he would be the focal point. The rest of the top free agents stayed with the teams that drafted them.

Who are these free agents that are not picking smaller markets? The big free agents prioritize money and winning.

Very few of the teams that have max salary capacity are also near contention. The ones that do, need to renounce a key free agent to have that space (for example Memphis with Conley or Houston with Howard). All that before bringing in roster to need/fit to the equation.

There are only 3 teams that can off two maxes (LA, Philly and Orlando); and there are only 7-8 total teams that can actually offer the mid tier Max or above (including those teams that would need to renounce their own free agents to get there).

Sure none of it is a guarantee, but the myth that stars won't sign in Orlando on some convoluted market size idea is BS.

This. Absolutely this.

[Tayswagzzz]

Having cap space usually is great, but with the rising cap many teams have spare money and therefore a rebuilding small market team might not look too attractive for free agents.

I keep hearing you and other's say that. Please show me an example of that.

One of last year's biggest free agent signing Greg Monroe went to a team who's prior seasons where 41-41 and 15-67. Aldridge went to a super small market for a chance to win a ring. He didn't pick the bigger markets or one where he would be the focal point. The rest of the top free agents stayed with the teams that drafted them.

Who are these free agents that are not picking smaller markets? The big free agents prioritize money and winning.

Very few of the teams that have max salary capacity are also near contention. The ones that do, need to renounce a key free agent to have that space (for example Memphis with Conley or Houston with Howard). All that before bringing in roster to need/fit to the equation.

There are only 3 teams that can off two maxes (LA, Philly and Orlando); and there are only 7-8 total teams that can actually offer the mid tier Max or above (including those teams that would need to renounce their own free agents to get there).

Sure none of it is a guarantee, but the myth that stars won't sign in Orlando on some convoluted market size idea is BS.

Well said. We'd be pitching the idea to (2) star players to team up in Orlando with our young core. Just like we did with Tmac / Hill and even tried to get Duncan to come too. It's happened before, it can happen again! #Believe

[Furinkazan]

"Sometimes it's not about age," Ilyasova said. "It's all about example — obviously, if you set the example as far playing hard, bringing energy. When you look at the league and all those guys [like] Dirk [Nowitzki and] Kobe [Bryant], they're still close to 35, but they always bring that energy when you look at them. With my 28, I have to bring even more. In this league, it doesn't matter how old [you are] but if you play hard and bring that energy, you set the example for even young guys."

And you know..because 28 is soooooo old.

28 isnt his real age duuh

[Dubious Kitty]

Having cap space usually is great, but with the rising cap many teams have spare money and therefore a rebuilding small market team might not look too attractive for free agents.

I keep hearing you and other's say that. Please show me an example of that.

One of last year's biggest free agent signing Greg Monroe went to a team who's prior seasons where 41-41 and 15-67. Aldridge went to a super small market for a chance to win a ring. He didn't pick the bigger markets or one where he would be the focal point. The rest of the top free agents stayed with the teams that drafted them.

Who are these free agents that are not picking smaller markets? The big free agents prioritize money and winning.

Very few of the teams that have max salary capacity are also near contention. The ones that do, need to renounce a key free agent to have that space (for example Memphis with Conley or Houston with Howard). All that before bringing in roster to need/fit to the equation.

There are only 3 teams that can off two maxes (LA, Philly and Orlando); and there are only 7-8 total teams that can actually offer the mid tier Max or above (including those teams that would need to renounce their own free agents to get there).

Sure none of it is a guarantee, but the myth that stars won't sign in Orlando on some convoluted market size idea is BS.

Perfectly said. Raider has no idea what he's talking about.

[Melvinlocker]

Who's ready to draw some charges?!?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phZJs84MxIQ[/youtube]

But seriously, he leads the league in charges taken this season at 29 (next highest is 16).

http://www.nbaminer.com/player-foul-details/

Here's the charges drawn stat for Ersan. He also leads the league is Offensive fouls drawn by a comfortable margin. It's nice to have a heady player like that on the team.

[RookieStar]

Wait... he's not really 28? Did he lie about his age like that tall chinese stiff?

[OrlandO]

Wait... he's not really 28? Did he lie about his age like that tall chinese stiff?

There was some controversy about his age when he was a teen, but I don't think anything has ever been proven...

Via draftexpress:

However, some people are careful when speaking about the kid being a top Turkish talent, because some time ago, the Uzbekish basketball federation sent a complaint to FIBA by asserting that Ersan Ilyasova was their player. There are plenty of rumors about this topic and many experts still analyze this story.

The most spread theory says that Ãœlker Istanbul brought in a guy called Arsen Ilyasov born in 1984 from Uzbekistan and organized a Turkish passport for him, changing his name to Ersan Ilyasova while reducing his age by three years in the process.

The fact is that Arsen Ilyasov crossed the border on August 7, 2002, but never showed up again. On September 19, 2002, a man named Semsettin Bulut told the Turkish authorities that he had forgotten to register his fifteen-year-old son, and so he registered him as Ersan Ilyasova. A long investigation held by the Turkish authorities showed that there wasn't any previous data about the kid in their files. .

[FFBlitzace]

Here's a test they could run. Just say, "Arsen!" And if Ilyasova instinctively says, "Yes?" then I think we've solved it.

[RookieStar]

Here's a test they could run. Just say, "Arsen!" And if Ilyasova instinctively says, "Yes?" then I think we've solved it.

but but but... Arse and Erse does sound kinda the same no?

[tmorgan]

There's nothing to dislike about Ersan except his fragility... and the pump fakes. Ooooohhh, the pump fakes.

Still like the guy.

[davey_wavy]

He still brings more than Frye on the court. And his face looks like white Tobes so it helps me cope

[Rick Rolled]

There's nothing to dislike about Ersan except his fragility... and the pump fakes. Ooooohhh, the pump fakes.

Still like the guy.

To be fair, we had Pat Garrity on our roster for 9 years.

We're more than used to 6'10 guys pump faking out of wide open jumpers 10-15 times per game.

[NBlue]

I'm not defending Nicholson, I'm just saying Ilyasova does not look like much of an upgrade.

The move I'm fine with is getting rid of Frye because he brought little to the team, had minimal market value, a rather large contract for his limited production and is probably on the downside of his career.

I'm not huge on Ilyasova but I think comparing him to Nicholson is a bit silly. I think Ersan has already drawn more charges for the Magic in 2 games than Nicholson has in his entire career -- Ilyasova is leaps and bounds better at defending (both individually and a s a team defender) than is Nicholson.

I think their offensive games are hard to compare as they are so different. It depends what you want. Nicholson needs the ball on offense to be effective whereas Ersan plays more without the ball.