2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[Sluggerface]

I'm not particularly hopeful for the off-season. The only way I see this team making a considerable jump is if they can actually get a primary scoring option to eat away at some of all the bad possessions that John and Brad use (Long twos, trying to create something out of thin air, etc.) KD is the only guy on the market that fits that bill, and it's a fantasy at this point. My next best choice would be Blake.

I'm worried the team is going to tie up too much money into Beal. Figures that when Beal finally starts getting it together from an offensive standpoint, we have to question whether or not he'll ever truly be a 30+ minutes guy for the rest of his career.

[fishercob]

From the Post's story about the Morris trade:

“We still have enough money to get a max player if that’s what we’re looking to do,” Grunfeld said. “And if we don’t, we’ll still have plenty of money to split that up or maybe give it to three different players. We still have plenty of cap room but with this we have a definitely player at a position that we had a need at.”

First of all, f*ck Ernie Grunfeld. "If that what we're looking to do." Are you kidding me? You crapped on the roster last summer because you thought it set you up to get DUrant (it didn't) and now you want us to be happy about how much cap space we still have after adding a mediocre a-hole?

The Wizards could have 2 or three good players locked into deals next year for what Morris is costing.

That aside, signing Satoransky for as long and cheap a deal as possible should be a priority. Because he's ready to contribute, he's going to have value right away -- either on the floor or in a trade. The longer he is locked up for, the better. He's just entering his prime.

That said, I assume (a) he'll stay in Spain (b) we'll trade his rights to someone like Houston for a second round pick or (c) We'll sign him for a one or two year deal and Ernie will crow about all the flexibility he preserved.

[Rafael122]

Bradley Beal (sign and trade) + Drew Gooden + future first round pick for Blake Griffin + JJ Redick. Who says no?

If Woj is right and KD isn't even going to entertain an offer from us, then it's time to move on. I'd rather trade for Blake and use the remaining cap space to fill the roster out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but assuming a sign and trade is done, then the Wizards would have $70 million in committed salary. That still leaves them with roughly $23 million in cap room.

- Bring back Sessions for the room exception

Still $19 million-ish to play with.

- Sign Ian Mahinmi to a 3 year/$22 million deal
- Sign Allen Crabbe to a 4 year/$25 million deal


PG - Wall/Sessions
SG - Redick/Crabbe
SF - Porter/Oubre
PF - Griffin/Morris
C - Gortat/Mahinmi

10 guys, fill the rest of the roster w/vet minimum guys. You take care of a hole short term w/Redick being a 1 year stop gap, but Crabbe will be the long term starter. Crabbe doesn't play a lot of defense, but he tries, I think he has potential. I know Nate's been advocating for Biyombo, and even though he's like 5 years younger than Ian, I think Ian will be a cheaper get. Whoever the coach is is going to have to figure out how to get Morris and Griffin 30-32 minutes each, especially when you have a capable backup at center now. I think that puts total salaries at around $87 million, leaving them $6 mil under. I'd shore up the front court.

Thoughts?

[Jay81]

i really dont believe Durant is zero chance of coming here. this conference is so weak that if he signed with Washington, we would likely be the favorite to win the east. I think we can gain some traction by going on a run, making the playoffs..getting a 1st round win ..etc. These are all doable. I still think we have a decent shot at Durant

[Ruzious]

Bradley Beal (sign and trade) + Drew Gooden + future first round pick for Blake Griffin + JJ Redick. Who says no?

The Clippers in less than a heartbeat. People don't seem to get how good Redick is. He's one of the all-time great 3 point shooters in basketball, and he's been absurd this season making 47.7% of his high volume of 3's.

Oh, and Blake Griffin's a superstar.

[gambitx777]

We are not getting Blake Griffin, did you see the very serious offer they made denver. That's what they value him at, and we can't touch that. Nor should we.

So I still feel that if Durant wants to come home hes going to come home regardless. We are a play off team caliber team, and with another super star we are a Finals caliber team. Lets wait to see what EG does between now and march first, he's mediocre at best with trades and he sucks ass at drafting but the man is a waiver wire master.

[Rafael122]

We are not getting Blake Griffin, did you see the very serious offer they made denver. That's what they value him at, and we can't touch that. Nor should we.

So I still feel that if Durant wants to come home hes going to come home regardless. We are a play off team caliber team, and with another super star we are a Finals caliber team. Lets wait to see what EG does between now and march first, he's mediocre at best with trades and he sucks ass at drafting but the man is a waiver wire master.

The Clippers offered that deal to Denver, and it was rejected by Denver b/c Blake is a free agent in 2017. So if Blake intends to opt out, that kills a lot of his trade value b/c no one is going to trade significant pieces knowing he's only there for the year. The Clippers basically asked Denver for 3 starters and their 6th man.

[fishercob]

Bradley Beal (sign and trade) + Drew Gooden + future first round pick for Blake Griffin + JJ Redick. Who says no?

If Woj is right and KD isn't even going to entertain an offer from us, then it's time to move on. I'd rather trade for Blake and use the remaining cap space to fill the roster out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but assuming a sign and trade is done, then the Wizards would have $70 million in committed salary. That still leaves them with roughly $23 million in cap room.

- Bring back Sessions for the room exception

Still $19 million-ish to play with.

- Sign Ian Mahinmi to a 3 year/$22 million deal
- Sign Allen Crabbe to a 4 year/$25 million deal


PG - Wall/Sessions
SG - Redick/Crabbe
SF - Porter/Oubre
PF - Griffin/Morris
C - Gortat/Mahinmi

10 guys, fill the rest of the roster w/vet minimum guys. You take care of a hole short term w/Redick being a 1 year stop gap, but Crabbe will be the long term starter. Crabbe doesn't play a lot of defense, but he tries, I think he has potential. I know Nate's been advocating for Biyombo, and even though he's like 5 years younger than Ian, I think Ian will be a cheaper get. Whoever the coach is is going to have to figure out how to get Morris and Griffin 30-32 minutes each, especially when you have a capable backup at center now. I think that puts total salaries at around $87 million, leaving them $6 mil under. I'd shore up the front court.

Thoughts?

JJ Redick is so much better than Bradley Beal right now that it's laughable. He's a massive bargain at $7.4M next year.

The Wizards' chance to trade Beal was before the deadline. Their next likely opportunity will be December 15th, at his new (probably maximum) salary. I don't see a S&T as very likely.

[JAR69]

Nate - I know I've asked this before, but I'm hoping you will indulge my confusion on cap matters. Jorge Castillo says (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wizards-insider/wp/2016/02/22/markieff-morriss-contract-wont-keep-wizards-from-nabbing-a-top-free-agent/?postshare=5611456165342490&tid=ss_tw) after signing Morris, the Wizards will have $27.4 million in cap room, including contracts for Wall, Gortat, Porter, Oubre, and Morris, Beal's cap hold, Webster's stretched contract, and six roster holds.

The cap number he uses for Wall is $16,957,900. I had thought Wall got 25% of the cap, rather than a set number. Is the reason because Wall's 25% was set when signed the contract, and there can only be 7.5% increases after that, as stated here http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/john-wall-dislikes-max-salaries--knows-he-s-worth-more-than-reggie-jackson-043214424.html and Larry Coons' FAQ #60?

[TheSecretWeapon]

Nate - I know I've asked this before, but I'm hoping you will indulge my confusion on cap matters. Jorge Castillo says (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wizards-insider/wp/2016/02/22/markieff-morriss-contract-wont-keep-wizards-from-nabbing-a-top-free-agent/?postshare=5611456165342490&tid=ss_tw) after signing Morris, the Wizards will have $27.4 million in cap room, including contracts for Wall, Gortat, Porter, Oubre, and Morris, Beal's cap hold, Webster's stretched contract, and six roster holds.

The cap number he uses for Wall is $16,957,900. I had thought Wall got 25% of the cap, rather than a set number. Is the reason because Wall's 25% was set when signed the contract, and there can only be 7.5% increases after that, as stated here http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/john-wall-dislikes-max-salaries--knows-he-s-worth-more-than-reggie-jackson-043214424.html and Larry Coons' FAQ #60?

The maximum salary is for the first year of a contract only. So, Wall got 25% of the cap in the first year of his extension, and then gets 7.5% raises each year. That 7.5% is calculated as a percentage of the FIRST YEAR salary, not the previous year salary. So it's not a true 7.5% raise (at least not the way I think about it).

[Rafael122]

Bradley Beal (sign and trade) + Drew Gooden + future first round pick for Blake Griffin + JJ Redick. Who says no?

If Woj is right and KD isn't even going to entertain an offer from us, then it's time to move on. I'd rather trade for Blake and use the remaining cap space to fill the roster out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but assuming a sign and trade is done, then the Wizards would have $70 million in committed salary. That still leaves them with roughly $23 million in cap room.

- Bring back Sessions for the room exception

Still $19 million-ish to play with.

- Sign Ian Mahinmi to a 3 year/$22 million deal
- Sign Allen Crabbe to a 4 year/$25 million deal


PG - Wall/Sessions
SG - Redick/Crabbe
SF - Porter/Oubre
PF - Griffin/Morris
C - Gortat/Mahinmi

10 guys, fill the rest of the roster w/vet minimum guys. You take care of a hole short term w/Redick being a 1 year stop gap, but Crabbe will be the long term starter. Crabbe doesn't play a lot of defense, but he tries, I think he has potential. I know Nate's been advocating for Biyombo, and even though he's like 5 years younger than Ian, I think Ian will be a cheaper get. Whoever the coach is is going to have to figure out how to get Morris and Griffin 30-32 minutes each, especially when you have a capable backup at center now. I think that puts total salaries at around $87 million, leaving them $6 mil under. I'd shore up the front court.

Thoughts?

JJ Redick is so much better than Bradley Beal right now that it's laughable. He's a massive bargain at $7.4M next year.

The Wizards' chance to trade Beal was before the deadline. Their next likely opportunity will be December 15th, at his new (probably maximum) salary. I don't see a S&T as very likely.

Only reason why I proposed this is b/c Doc was foolish enough to trade a pick for Jeff Green, that I don't see how he wouldn't at least think about the trade. If he's losing Blake anyway, get what you can. Beal making $19 mil or whatever it's going to be may make Doc think JJ is expendable. Just my two cents anyway.

[JAR69]

Nate - I know I've asked this before, but I'm hoping you will indulge my confusion on cap matters. Jorge Castillo says (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wizards-insider/wp/2016/02/22/markieff-morriss-contract-wont-keep-wizards-from-nabbing-a-top-free-agent/?postshare=5611456165342490&tid=ss_tw) after signing Morris, the Wizards will have $27.4 million in cap room, including contracts for Wall, Gortat, Porter, Oubre, and Morris, Beal's cap hold, Webster's stretched contract, and six roster holds.

The cap number he uses for Wall is $16,957,900. I had thought Wall got 25% of the cap, rather than a set number. Is the reason because Wall's 25% was set when signed the contract, and there can only be 7.5% increases after that, as stated here http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/john-wall-dislikes-max-salaries--knows-he-s-worth-more-than-reggie-jackson-043214424.html and Larry Coons' FAQ #60?

The maximum salary is for the first year of a contract only. So, Wall got 25% of the cap in the first year of his extension, and then gets 7.5% raises each year. That 7.5% is calculated as a percentage of the FIRST YEAR salary, not the previous year salary. So it's not a true 7.5% raise (at least not the way I think about it).

Thank you, that explains a lot (especially why my numbers never added up).

Side point - so this means the Wizards will have the pleasure of paying Beal $4 million+ more than Wall. Sheesh.

[Ruzious]

Well, Motiejunas is another big man option next offseason (RFA who we can assume Houston will not keep). He has a lot of fans, because he's a 7 footer who can shoot 3's, passes well, has some post-up moves and moves well for a 7 footer, but I question his aggression and production, and he seemed to play smaller than his size. No doubt he has ability, though. Hopefully whatever Detroit says is wrong with him isn't a permanent problem.

[payitforward]

From the Post's story about the Morris trade:

“We still have enough money to get a max player if that’s what we’re looking to do,” Grunfeld said. “And if we don’t, we’ll still have plenty of money to split that up or maybe give it to three different players. We still have plenty of cap room but with this we have a definitely player at a position that we had a need at.”

First of all, f*ck Ernie Grunfeld. ......

Hear hear. I've never been so tired of anyone as I am of him. He's just about got me deciding to stop being a Wizards fan altogether -- why would anyone want this guy intruding on their consciousness over and over with his dumb moves and the dumb things he says about them.

[payitforward]

this conference is so weak that if he (Durant) signed with Washington, we would likely be the favorite to win the east.

Wow.... you are so utterly and over the top out of it. I really can't believe anyone would write that w/ a straight face.

Cleveland is 40-14, and we're 25-29. Do you think if we'd had Durant's 1750 minutes so far this season in place of the same number shared between any 3 of our SFs, we'd have won 16 more games and be ahead of them? Would we have won 12 more games and be ahead of Toronto?

How about if Boston had him? Would they be 49-8? Huh? Would they?

(Edit: Don't get me wrong -- we'd be better w/ Durant, obviously, just not that much better in 54 games. Using boxscoregeeks to estimate wins produced, if we replaced all of Porter's minutes and took the extra 300 minutes from Dudley we'd expect to be about 6 games to the good right now. Which would be nice.)

[fishercob]

Guys I like this summer in addition to Satoransky:

Sullinger (RFA), Dwight Powell, Ezeli, Mahinmi, Tyler, Zeller, Mozgov, Marvin Williams, Biyombo, Boban Marjanovich, Amir Johnson (team option), Lauvergne.

[AFM]

Lauvergne. My favorite cologne. Eau de Lauvergne

[Ruzious]

Lauvergne. My favorite cologne. Eau de Lauvergne

Eau de man!

I hadn't thought about Sullinger as an RFA (as fisher mentioned), but that might make sense for Plan _. Boston's been unhappy with his fitness level (jelly belly), so there's a chance they don't match.

[fishercob]

Lauvergne. My favorite cologne. Eau de Lauvergne

Eau de man!

I hadn't thought about Sullinger as an RFA (as fisher mentioned), but that might make sense for Plan _. Boston's been unhappy with his fitness level (jelly belly), so there's a chance they don't match.

It's possible, though not terribly likely, that Boston will bring back all four of Sullinger, Johnson, Olynyk and Zeller. I'd look at whomever from that group I could. I am guessing Olynyk is their top priority of the 4. Hard to trade either of the two RFA's -- so I am guessing they let one walk.

Nevermind about Lauvergne; Denver has him under control for one more season. I think he becomes unrestricted then.

[payitforward]

Lauvergne. My favorite cologne. Eau de Lauvergne

For Lauvergne this off season, it's going to be "L'eau de Dough."