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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#321 » by CobraCommander » Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:25 pm

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closg00 wrote:Only Rico was enticed by Lee. You want to high-five Ernie for not trading for Lee !?! What can I say.

Call prolly went something like:

GRUNFELD: Hi Danny. Want to make a deal?

AINGE (stifles a giggle): Sure, buddy. What do you have in mind?

GRUNFELD: Was thinking about Blair and Humphries for Lee.

AINGE: Ernie...buddy...I'd love to help you out pal...hang on a sec...

GRUNFELD (to Tommy Sheppard): I think he's crying.

AINGE: If you could throw in a little, teeny bit more, we could let you have Lee.

GRUNFELD: Umm...more?

AINGE: A first round pick.

GRUNFELD: Umm, okay.

Hysterical laughter blasts through the phone from Ainge's side.

GRUNFELD: Danny?

More laughter.

A new voice. It's Mike Zarren, Ainge's number two in Boston.

ZARREN: Danny, you gotta tell him no.

AINGE: C'mon, Mike. I'm about to get a first for an actual corpse.

ZARREN: Say no. Save the swindle for something more important.

AINGE: All right. You're right.

Hey Ernie, buddy.

GRUNFELD: Heya, Danny. You okay?

AINGE: Doing just fine. Gonna have to say no on this one, pal. But hey, make sure you call me first next time you have a trade idea.

GRUNFELD: Sure thing Danny.



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Upper Decker wrote:I never thought I'd ever question a GM being worse than Vinny Cerrato, but based on Grunfeld history of blowing nearly all non top-3 picks, all of his 2nd round picks, and not valuing picks in questionable trades (a staple of the cerrato era), is Grunfeld a worse GM than Cerrato?


EG is better than Cerrato simply based on some of EG's moves between 2003-2005.





The Wall and Beal picks were solid. Picking up Pierce was solid. Not giving Ariza a Mint as solid. Resigning Wall was solid. Waiting to sign Beal is turning out to be solid. Because we gonna get him on a show and prove contract because of injury.

Everything else... Including GIVING HUMP to the Suns because Wittless couldn't find time for him...sucks. Wasting this year waiting for Durant....I mean everything else sucks. This team isn't built to win now or in the future. The Wiz are many many pieces away. I love them anyway! Go WIZKIDS
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Post#323 » by payitforward » Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:39 pm

Ernie Grunfeld has repeatedly stated that his goal stays the same every year: to "compete for the playoffs."

Since 8 out of 15 Eastern Conference teams get to the playoffs every year, no one can say that Ernie sets himself and his organization a high bar.
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Post#324 » by payitforward » Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:41 pm

CobraCommander wrote:...This team isn't built to win now or in the future.

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Post#325 » by Kanyewest » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:58 pm

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Kanyewest wrote:
Upper Decker wrote:I never thought I'd ever question a GM being worse than Vinny Cerrato, but based on Grunfeld history of blowing nearly all non top-3 picks, all of his 2nd round picks, and not valuing picks in questionable trades (a staple of the cerrato era), is Grunfeld a worse GM than Cerrato?


EG is better than Cerrato simply based on some of EG's moves between 2003-2005.





The Wall and Beal picks were solid. Picking up Pierce was solid. Not giving Ariza a Mint as solid. Resigning Wall was solid. Waiting to sign Beal is turning out to be solid. Because we gonna get him on a show and prove contract because of injury.

Everything else... Including GIVING HUMP to the Suns because Wittless couldn't find time for him...sucks. Wasting this year waiting for Durant....I mean everything else sucks. This team isn't built to win now or in the future. The Wiz are many many pieces away. I love them anyway! Go WIZKIDS


Agreed, but Cerrato is worse.
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#326 » by TheSecretWeapon » Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:06 pm

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milellie111 wrote:Many were scratching their heads on the Markieff Morris trade and were hot Grunfeld didn't trade for David Lee. Yet Morris looks active, motivated and is contributing not even 2 days after being traded without practice with the team. David Lee was CUT by the Celtics today. Pretty smart for Grunfeld not to deal for Lee.

*No one* suggested we trade for David Lee -- literally no one. Do you even read the threads before barfing into them?

What was discussed was that the Celtics were about to waive Lee, and should we then pick him up cheap for the rest of the season, which Dallas has done. Those fools who run Dallas! Didn't they realize they could have traded for Markieff Morris instead of their stupid move picking up Lee? What a badly-managed franchise! They sure aren't on the ball. Not like the perennially successful Wizards under Ernie's unparalleled leadership.

Note, btw, that I said "no no -- don't pick up a waived David Lee." But I didn't mean that instead we should trade for Markieff Morris, who has been active, sure, if by that you mean 5 fouls in 16 minutes and 2-6 shooting and no trips to the line.

What kind of chance would you give Lee being more productive per minute in Dallas the rest of the way than Morris is for the Wizards the rest of the season? I'd put it at 40%.
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#327 » by FAH1223 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:02 am

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Post#486 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:15 pm

I'm an opinionated Milwaukee fan from a few of the other threads.

I enjoy weighing in on these Grunfeld threads every six-months or so because the guy was toxic for our franchise when he was with us.

Both Milwaukee and Washington have (had) one thing in common. A beloved yet completely incompetent and meddling owner. In our case it is Herb Kohl. In your case Abe. Both guys like the idea of "winning now" rather than spending years in the high lotto. Both guys are(were) up in age. Kohl is 76 and I think Abe died at 87 (?)

While it would be easy to blame all of Ernie Grunfeld's bad moves on meddling owners, I think that allows him off the hook. The bottom line is that the guy has been a GM from August 1999 (Bucks) through the current day (Wizards). In those 12.5 years, the guy has really made zero signature moves where you go "Wow, that was a great GM....that move(s) turned our franchise around"

In the draft world, he absolutely sucks. He doesn't find you Westbrooks, Serge Ibaka's or Wesley Matthews. Instead he finds you Marcus Haislips and Nick Young's at best.

In the contract world, he overpays everyone for fear of "losing an asset". Whether it was giving Tim Thomas $68 million to stay in Milwaukee, $20 million along with Scott Williams and a future #1 (Josh Smith) for Anthony Mason or your situations with the Arenas, etc bad contracts or trading the #5 pick away twice.

What Grunfeld excels at are two things:

a) He knows how to suck up to his owner. You guys can read into the Kohl/Polin/Grunfeld situation on a number of levels. The bottom line is that he's obviously a good insider politician, otherwise he doesn't last nearly as long as he has.

b) Grunfeld is more than adept at working the phones and getting deals done involving overpaid veterans. He engages in a bunch of "activity" involving veterans that you assume he might know what he's doing. Sometimes he blows enough future assets to put together a 43-win team. But in the end, you mistake that "activity" for being a good GM.

Just my two cents. You guys won't get significantly better until you clean house and get a new front office.


EG's blue print as GM has never changed, not one iota.


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paulpressey25 wrote:The key is one of you guys needs to sit down and chart this all out. We sat and bitched about all this stuff as it relates to the Bucks over on our board for years. Finally I just invested two months of my time on weekends and did the analysis and wrote it all out over at saveourbucks.com

If you guys really want Grunfeld out, one of you needs to sit down and do the charts and get it up on a website. That way the national media like Bill Simmons, Matt Moore, Dwyer, etc will pick up on it. Otherwise the fans will just anecdotally complain but nothing will happen.

It would be very powerful to see the records of Grunfeld's Knicks, Bucks and Wizards teams year by year along with playoff performances on one page. Then a second page that lists out the Wizards W-L record since 2003 versus the rest of the league.

Then another chart listing all the league's GM's by tenure. On that chart Ernie is going to show the 4th or 5th longest tenure and the only guys ahead of him (Pat Riley, Kupchak, etc) have all won titles. Then do a final page showing all the major transactions in the Ernie era and subjectively grade whether or not the Wizards won or lost the trade.

This could be really powerful if you guys assigned out different tasks to each other and had a web savvy guy who could set up a quick website along the lines of "No Wizards Magic - The Ernie Grunfeld Years" or something like that.
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Post#328 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:25 am

^^^^^I think I wrote those posts on your board over four years ago.

If you guys ever wanted to do a social media website like SaveOurBucks to highlight Ernie's mess, you have a ton of material to do it with. The guy starts season 14 as your GM come July 1st. And now he's dumped another first rounder. He's the intellectual version of Elgin Baylor.

I have I admit, last year I actually thought Ernie might prove me wrong and Wall and Beal would emerge with Otto as a top East team. Then I realized I needn't worry as Grunfeld would find a way to screw it up.

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Post#329 » by Sluggerface » Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:42 am

paulpressey25 wrote:^^^^^I think I wrote those posts on your board over four years ago.

If you guys ever wanted to do a social media website like SaveOurBucks to highlight Ernie's mess, you have a ton of material to do it with. The guy starts season 14 as your GM come July 1st. And now he's dumped another first rounder. He's the intellectual version of Elgin Baylor.

I have I admit, last year I actually thought Ernie might prove me wrong and Wall and Beal would emerge with Otto as a top East team. Then I realized I needn't worry as Grunfeld would find a way to screw it up.

If you guys want help with how to do this, let me know. These are powerful but you need the compelling material. You've got the material.


There's been a site for this, been one for a while now.

http://www.fireerniegrunfeld.com/

Granted, not as in depth as some of the ideas your suggesting. But I think it's pretty irrelevant since Ownership refuses to listen to anything outside of their safe space.

This was written by a former beat writer for the Wizards (was discussed earlier in this thread, pretty sure I pieced together the entire article, at least the important bits.)

I hate sports now. It is largely because of these two men, and how they starkly revealed to me why sports is a vile business and one I want no part in. Today is a prime example why, and I refuse to let them off the hook like so many others who are still in the media today, and are in the pocket of Ted Leonsis and Ernie Grunfeld.

I have not watched the Washington Wizards play in three months. Not one stolen inbounds pass, bungled defensive rotation, nor a single image of a team losing by double digits laughing on the bench. It’s been incredibly liberating. Oh I’m aware they’ve won five straight games to end the season. Of course they have, because this is what they always do under Ernie Grunfeld. Ted Leonsis will smile and nod and scold the critics for their lack of empathy. I do have empathy. I have empathy for whoever bought the season tickets I finally gave up this year because I couldn’t stand it anymore. Those who bought into the con-game of Ernie Grunfeld and Ted Leonsis. To be honest though, those seats probably are vacant, because Ted and Ernie have lost far more than games these last four years. They’ve lost the fans.

I have left the media for good, so I have no agenda. These will be the last words I ever write about this team, because they’re dead to me as long as Ernie Grunfeld occupies that office. I have no bosses or sources to protect, no job to worry about losing. In fact, a major part of the reason I left my job is because the staggering sloth and disarray of the Ernie Grunfeld empire down at Verizon Center drove me to the brink of insanity.

It’s not even about his roster moves, although those alone should’ve got him run out on a rail three years ago. It’s the behind the scenes. Remember, he interviews and hires every coach, players, scout, trainer, webmaster, and public relations official – this is his team far more than you know. So when you wonder why the team never seems to take their work seriously, has never has paid any attention to defense, comes into the season entirely out of condition, and ends every year with a litany of players injured, there’s only one place that blame goes.

It’s honestly not that hard to figure out. How does a team hype themselves throughout the offseason to how now is the season they finally get it, then founder completely for the first months of the season, hit a midseason streak, then falter again as players drop off the active list like flies, then magically start winning again just in time to save Grunfeld’s job? Every single year! Because their president has surrounded them with a complete lack of accountability, a zero emphasis on offseason conditioning, so when they arrive for training camp completely unprepared to play in the most competitive league on Earth, the loss column and their bodies take the toll. They have to play their way into game shape, which takes several months owing to the complete ineptitude of their strength and training and conditioning staff (by the way, the same people that oversaw Gilbert Arenas’ spectacularly failed knee rehabilitation that has ruined his career physically after Ernie Grunfeld gave him $100 million? Those people are still running their strength and conditioning program). They blame injuries every year, the entire nine-year stretch of his tenure, as if it’s just bad luck intervening. It’s not. It’s their lack of institutional effort.

That blame game is the most startling thing about this tenure. There are all the behind the scenes stories – how he came into an offseason meeting this year and declared they had to give Nick Young a full mid-level exception, to the bewilderment of his staff. How JaVale McGee came and asked him for a big man coach, and Grunfeld said he could have one if he paid for it himself. The many times Grunfeld went behind Eddie Jordan or Flip Saunders back when they tried to reign in Grunfeld’s pets Arenas and Blatche. The times you’d watch players ****ing around at practice despite lengthy losing streaks, and Grunfeld standing there ****ing around the same way.

But it’s the blaming. When they started losing, first he blamed Eddie Jordan. Then after one of the worst trades in draft day history, he blamed Abe Pollin and the “mandate we were under,” although I guess if you’re that desperate, the recently deceased is a nice person to blame for your failures. Then it was Caron Butler, who rightly thrashed until he was traded away from this abomination of a franchise. Then Gilbert Arenas and the gun incident, which make no mistake, was fostered, aided, and abetted by years of coddling by Ernie Grunfeld himself. Flip Saunders got the finger pointed at him next, and now Andray Blatche is up. Moving these people out isn’t Grunfeld rebuilding the franchise, which is he somehow being given credit for. It’s rifling through more people to blame so he can keep his job with minimal effort...............

There’s no way to convey appropriately the incredible losing culture that Grunfeld has cultivated without being there yourself. As I’ve said, it drove me to such anger to see players and staff fail so miserably yet act with such incredible nonchalance, all with the pleased eye of Grunfeld overseeing this atrocity. There’s no possible reason that any owner within his right mind and trying to win a title would bring back this man who has further defiled a franchise that already was one of the most embarrassing in sports. He gets credit for building a playoff team – but that was years and years ago, and even those teams underachieved because the same culture that has this team a bottom feeder now was pervasive even then. It’s the Grunfeld way.
Ted Leonsis, as we’ve seen very clearly however, has no interest in building a title team. His interest is in proving anyone who ever questions him wrong. It’s why he called me into his office after I gave him a poor midseason grade last year (solely on the basis of allowing Grunfeld to further disembowel this organization – imagine what his grade would be now!). He can talk about wicked pixels and all that garbage all he wants – he had a chance to truly rebuild this franchise with John Wall, and instead he and his staff used John Wall as the reason to continue their sloth and cowardly operations. This is a franchise that is more terrified of winning because of the effort it entails, than it is of losing because they have become masters of blame and excuses.


I bolded the most important bit of the article. As much as Grunfeld is a part of the issue, it's a problem with the entire institution. Ted hates being told that he is wrong. We're less than a year removed from him declaring war on local radio affiliates for not covering his teams enough. If I had to throw a dart on the board, I would say this is one of the primary motivating factors for him to hold on to personnel for so long. He's trying to sell an image of a team, not the reality of a team.
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Post#330 » by CobraCommander » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:53 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:^^^^^I think I wrote those posts on your board over four years ago.

If you guys ever wanted to do a social media website like SaveOurBucks to highlight Ernie's mess, you have a ton of material to do it with. The guy starts season 14 as your GM come July 1st. And now he's dumped another first rounder. He's the intellectual version of Elgin Baylor.

I have I admit, last year I actually thought Ernie might prove me wrong and Wall and Beal would emerge with Otto as a top East team. Then I realized I needn't worry as Grunfeld would find a way to screw it up.

If you guys want help with how to do this, let me know. These are powerful but you need the compelling material. You've got the material.


There's been a site for this, been one for a while now.

http://www.fireerniegrunfeld.com/

Granted, not as in depth as some of the ideas your suggesting. But I think it's pretty irrelevant since Ownership refuses to listen to anything outside of their safe space.

This was written by a former beat writer for the Wizards (was discussed earlier in this thread, pretty sure I pieced together the entire article, at least the important bits.)

I hate sports now. It is largely because of these two men, and how they starkly revealed to me why sports is a vile business and one I want no part in. Today is a prime example why, and I refuse to let them off the hook like so many others who are still in the media today, and are in the pocket of Ted Leonsis and Ernie Grunfeld.

I have not watched the Washington Wizards play in three months. Not one stolen inbounds pass, bungled defensive rotation, nor a single image of a team losing by double digits laughing on the bench. It’s been incredibly liberating. Oh I’m aware they’ve won five straight games to end the season. Of course they have, because this is what they always do under Ernie Grunfeld. Ted Leonsis will smile and nod and scold the critics for their lack of empathy. I do have empathy. I have empathy for whoever bought the season tickets I finally gave up this year because I couldn’t stand it anymore. Those who bought into the con-game of Ernie Grunfeld and Ted Leonsis. To be honest though, those seats probably are vacant, because Ted and Ernie have lost far more than games these last four years. They’ve lost the fans.

I have left the media for good, so I have no agenda. These will be the last words I ever write about this team, because they’re dead to me as long as Ernie Grunfeld occupies that office. I have no bosses or sources to protect, no job to worry about losing. In fact, a major part of the reason I left my job is because the staggering sloth and disarray of the Ernie Grunfeld empire down at Verizon Center drove me to the brink of insanity.

It’s not even about his roster moves, although those alone should’ve got him run out on a rail three years ago. It’s the behind the scenes. Remember, he interviews and hires every coach, players, scout, trainer, webmaster, and public relations official – this is his team far more than you know. So when you wonder why the team never seems to take their work seriously, has never has paid any attention to defense, comes into the season entirely out of condition, and ends every year with a litany of players injured, there’s only one place that blame goes.

It’s honestly not that hard to figure out. How does a team hype themselves throughout the offseason to how now is the season they finally get it, then founder completely for the first months of the season, hit a midseason streak, then falter again as players drop off the active list like flies, then magically start winning again just in time to save Grunfeld’s job? Every single year! Because their president has surrounded them with a complete lack of accountability, a zero emphasis on offseason conditioning, so when they arrive for training camp completely unprepared to play in the most competitive league on Earth, the loss column and their bodies take the toll. They have to play their way into game shape, which takes several months owing to the complete ineptitude of their strength and training and conditioning staff (by the way, the same people that oversaw Gilbert Arenas’ spectacularly failed knee rehabilitation that has ruined his career physically after Ernie Grunfeld gave him $100 million? Those people are still running their strength and conditioning program). They blame injuries every year, the entire nine-year stretch of his tenure, as if it’s just bad luck intervening. It’s not. It’s their lack of institutional effort.

That blame game is the most startling thing about this tenure. There are all the behind the scenes stories – how he came into an offseason meeting this year and declared they had to give Nick Young a full mid-level exception, to the bewilderment of his staff. How JaVale McGee came and asked him for a big man coach, and Grunfeld said he could have one if he paid for it himself. The many times Grunfeld went behind Eddie Jordan or Flip Saunders back when they tried to reign in Grunfeld’s pets Arenas and Blatche. The times you’d watch players ****ing around at practice despite lengthy losing streaks, and Grunfeld standing there ****ing around the same way.

But it’s the blaming. When they started losing, first he blamed Eddie Jordan. Then after one of the worst trades in draft day history, he blamed Abe Pollin and the “mandate we were under,” although I guess if you’re that desperate, the recently deceased is a nice person to blame for your failures. Then it was Caron Butler, who rightly thrashed until he was traded away from this abomination of a franchise. Then Gilbert Arenas and the gun incident, which make no mistake, was fostered, aided, and abetted by years of coddling by Ernie Grunfeld himself. Flip Saunders got the finger pointed at him next, and now Andray Blatche is up. Moving these people out isn’t Grunfeld rebuilding the franchise, which is he somehow being given credit for. It’s rifling through more people to blame so he can keep his job with minimal effort...............

There’s no way to convey appropriately the incredible losing culture that Grunfeld has cultivated without being there yourself. As I’ve said, it drove me to such anger to see players and staff fail so miserably yet act with such incredible nonchalance, all with the pleased eye of Grunfeld overseeing this atrocity. There’s no possible reason that any owner within his right mind and trying to win a title would bring back this man who has further defiled a franchise that already was one of the most embarrassing in sports. He gets credit for building a playoff team – but that was years and years ago, and even those teams underachieved because the same culture that has this team a bottom feeder now was pervasive even then. It’s the Grunfeld way.
Ted Leonsis, as we’ve seen very clearly however, has no interest in building a title team. His interest is in proving anyone who ever questions him wrong. It’s why he called me into his office after I gave him a poor midseason grade last year (solely on the basis of allowing Grunfeld to further disembowel this organization – imagine what his grade would be now!). He can talk about wicked pixels and all that garbage all he wants – he had a chance to truly rebuild this franchise with John Wall, and instead he and his staff used John Wall as the reason to continue their sloth and cowardly operations. This is a franchise that is more terrified of winning because of the effort it entails, than it is of losing because they have become masters of blame and excuses.


I bolded the most important bit of the article. As much as Grunfeld is a part of the issue, it's a problem with the entire institution. Ted hates being told that he is wrong. We're less than a year removed from him declaring war on local radio affiliates for not covering his teams enough. If I had to throw a dart on the board, I would say this is one of the primary motivating factors for him to hold on to personnel for so long. He's trying to sell an image of a team, not the reality of a team.



I think Erine sucks but I am careful not to attribute that to Ted at this point. IMO Ted is letting the basketball people run the basketball organization. Which has worked for him in Hockey to a degree and what makes him very different than Danny. I think the problem is he currently has the wrong basketball people in place. We are built to fight for a spot in the play offs. Which is fine if you are the 76ers or some of the wiz team in the distant past. But when you have Webber, Gil, and now John you should be fighting for more than a spot in the tournament while you have a legitimate PIECE PART of a potential champion. Ted needs to realize that he has 1 superstar and demand that the Erine attempt to win NOW while we still have John and he is coming into his prime. Because I assure you, John leaves if we don't build anything around him-
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Post#331 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:15 pm

Sluggerface wrote:There's been a site for this, been one for a while now.

http://www.fireerniegrunfeld.com/

Granted, not as in depth as some of the ideas your suggesting. But I think it's pretty irrelevant since Ownership refuses to listen to anything outside of their safe space.


The problem with that website is that it looks like a disgruntled fan slinging mud. I knew that approach wouldn't work when writing SaveOurBucks. Take a look at the original parts of the site (much of it now buried with new arena/new owners stuff now).

www.saveourbucks.com

One of the specific angles I wanted with SOB was to appeal to the national media to start writing about how bad the Bucks have been. The site you guys do needs to play up on that. Writers and bloggers love it if they have a story on a silver platter. The easy angle on this is to compare the Wizards record since July 1, 2003 versus every other team in the NBA.

-Then chart the tenure, track record and actual number NBA GM's since then (how many have there been...100?). This data on a simple PDF will tell the tale. Ernie will stick out like a sore thumb among Pat Riley, Bob/Buford, etc.
-Then you do the separate page that lists out all the #1 picks Ernie has made since 2004, highlighting the years he traded the pick and what he got.
-Then you do a separate page on every contract Ernie has handed out, traded for or RFA matched since 2003 that in aggregate was worth more than $10 million. This way you weed out the little stuff but the list of crap he's dealt for with big contracts will be staggering.

Trust me, this data and writing is hard work and will take a few days, but assign modules to guys on here to do and bring back the data and google doc chart links and talk about it before going live. You can roadmap one hell of a website that Bill Simmons will talk about with House on his podcast. That's one angle I took with SOB. Make that "story" so damn airtight that a guy like Simmons had to conclude, yeah, this is right and needs to be discussed in NBA media circles.
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Post#332 » by FAH1223 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:47 pm

Paul is right. We need to build a site like SaveOurBullets or something along those lines.

It'll be easy over get a few of us to do it.
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Post#333 » by Dark Faze » Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:50 pm

I don't think we're going to make the playoffs. And I don't think we'll be bad enough to keep our pick. So we'll see if that gets him fired. Probably not.

Very good chance I'm not a fan of this team after the off-season. All it would take is Grunfeld being kept and us not finding a decent plan B once Durant passes us by. After that there's no excuse for standing for that level of incompetence.
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#334 » by montestewart » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:55 pm

A house of cards daisy chain reaction has left Jason Thompson unemployed and the Wizards with a roster spot and a thin big rotation. Time for EGg to cement his legacy.
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#335 » by CobraCommander » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:37 am

Dark Faze wrote:I don't think we're going to make the playoffs. And I don't think we'll be bad enough to keep our pick. So we'll see if that gets him fired. Probably not.

Very good chance I'm not a fan of this team after the off-season. All it would take is Grunfeld being kept and us not finding a decent plan B once Durant passes us by. After that there's no excuse for standing for that level of incompetence.



I could walk away from the Skins before the Wiz... I just love the core guys on this team too much. Wall, Beal and Gortat are good guys - is Otto is projecting that he could be a good 7th or 8th in a rotation on a GOOD team. With the 6th guy spelling your backcourt and your 7/8 guy being a front court guy.

I don't think we making the play offs and if we don't I think - the RealGM fans are going to be the least of the worries when John starts demanding trades or trying to play GM (which they can't let him do)... He already said some stuff about Durant in the press...which is just asking for a fine for tampering. REALLY HOW DOES A TEAM WAIT FOR A FREE AGENT!?!?! Not even Cleveland did that for LeBron...they moved on when so when he came back it was a surprise. What type of franchise waits on a 7 foot superstar with foot issues. Kevin might love DC but he didn't go to any of the local colleges and he could have gone to any of them. UMD and G-Town are much better programs than Texas...but that didn't stop him from going to college away from here. FIRE ERINE :noway:
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#336 » by closg00 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:38 pm

A. The Wizards only need to finish strong for EG to get an extension.

B. The Wizards must make the playoffs for EG to get an extension

C. EG stays, Randy is fired

D. ?
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#337 » by CobraCommander » Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:54 pm

closg00 wrote:A. The Wizards only need to finish strong for EG to get an extension.

B. The Wizards must make the playoffs for EG to get an extension

C. EG stays, Randy is fired

D. ?



Double D- Wiz finish strong- Randy is fired and Mark Jackson or Thibs or DONT DO IT PA... Luke Walton gets the job
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#338 » by milellie111 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:17 am

In less than 2 weeks the Wiz have signed Markief Morris AND JJ Hickson. 2 immediate contributors. 2 great moves. Grunfeld is proactive, not reactive.
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#339 » by montestewart » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:16 am

milellie111 wrote:In less than 2 weeks the Wiz have signed Markief Morris AND JJ Hickson. 2 immediate contributors. 2 great moves. Grunfeld is proactive, not reactive.

Can't wait til he's deactive.
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#340 » by pineappleheadindc » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:33 am

Loss to a Bulls squad that was without Jimmy Butler, DRose, Mirotic, Noah and with Gasol playing with the flu. With the guy Ernie traded away for our first round draft pick playing for us.

We are now on a glidepath to BOTH miss the playoffs AND give up our first rounder.

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