JaKarr Sampson Finalizing Two-Year Deal With Nuggets

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JaKarr Sampson Finalizing Two-Year Deal With Nuggets 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:23 pm

JaKarr Sampson is finalizing a two-year deal with the Denver Nuggets.


Sampson was released by the Philadelphia 76ers at the deadline to create a roster spot. The 76ers were hoping Sampson would clear waivers and be able to re-sign with the 76ers.

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Post#2 » by TdotRap4Lyfe » Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:56 pm

Probably better long term for his career to avoid Philly
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Post#3 » by theo42 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:04 pm

Considering the fanbase's nickname for Sampson is 'Jakarbage'....have fun with that.
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Post#4 » by the_process » Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:57 pm

Good for Jakarrbage. Bad for Denver. Hey Denver fans, he's very athletic and will hustle his a** off, but he has a negative BBIQ which negates any talent he may have, to the point where you will wonder if he could make a AAU squad.
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Post#5 » by luss54321 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:18 pm

oyoyer wrote:Good for Jakarrbage. Bad for Denver. Hey Denver fans, he's very athletic and will hustle his a** off, but he has a negative BBIQ which negates any talent he may have, to the point where you will wonder if he could make a AAU squad.


You have the worst GM in the league as your profile picture... Hard to take your comments seriously.
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Post#6 » by the_process » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:10 am

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oyoyer wrote:Good for Jakarrbage. Bad for Denver. Hey Denver fans, he's very athletic and will hustle his a** off, but he has a negative BBIQ which negates any talent he may have, to the point where you will wonder if he could make a AAU squad.


You have the worst GM in the league as your profile picture... Hard to take your comments seriously.


Not even close... Dell Demps, Doc Rivers (good coach, awful GM), and Ernie Grunfeld still have jobs, and that's just off the top of my head.

Also, right to the agenda? Jealous because your team won't tank for a superstar? Sucks don't it?

Don't worry about Philly, we are happy not to be on the treadmill anymore. Mediocre is the same as terrible in the NBA. Worry about your own team.
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Post#7 » by tk76 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:51 am

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You have the worst GM in the league as your profile picture... Hard to take your comments seriously.


I think in about 5 years Hinkie's legacy will be determined by whether or not Embiid plays and is healthy. Ultimately it is a results oriented league, and in season 3 the results are still poor, but the team is also in a position to be viewed differently in a year or two in a way you can't say about most of the other bottom 10 teams (except Minny, who really was just extremely lucky in the way Cleveland was lucky a few years earlier.) Philly needs luck to, but the whole notion of "the Process" is to maximize your chances of getting lucky.
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Post#8 » by Foshan » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:34 am

I think it is kinda funny, for how many people piss and moan about how the 6ers roster doesn't even belong in the NBA... here you have arguably one of the worst guys on the roster (hasn't been getting much burn recently), and so he gets cut. (easy decision of who to cut really)

And right away he is picked up by another team and signed to a 2 year deal. Sure it's probably a cheap deal, butI thought he wasn't even an NBA player?
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Post#9 » by luss54321 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:52 pm

oyoyer wrote:
luss54321 wrote:
oyoyer wrote:Good for Jakarrbage. Bad for Denver. Hey Denver fans, he's very athletic and will hustle his a** off, but he has a negative BBIQ which negates any talent he may have, to the point where you will wonder if he could make a AAU squad.


You have the worst GM in the league as your profile picture... Hard to take your comments seriously.


Not even close... Dell Demps, Doc Rivers (good coach, awful GM), and Ernie Grunfeld still have jobs, and that's just off the top of my head.

Also, right to the agenda? Jealous because your team won't tank for a superstar? Sucks don't it?

Don't worry about Philly, we are happy not to be on the treadmill anymore. Mediocre is the same as terrible in the NBA. Worry about your own team.


You still believe that garbage? Do you know what Golden State was before they became the best team in the NBA? Mediocre.

The Sixers have been an absolute disgrace for 3 years now. What do you have to show for it? 3 centers? One of which is a role player, and another who might never play a game in the NBA.

I'm a Bulls fan. We have a superstar named Jimmy Butler who was drafted # 30 overall. It's funny how the Bulls drafted a superstar after having the best record in the NBA, and the Sixers have been the worst team in the league for 3 years with no superstar to show for it. If you draft well, then you don't need to tank.

Philly has destroyed their reputation with Free Agents. Nobody wants to play there.
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Post#10 » by tk76 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:57 pm

Myopic for a Bulls fan given all of their good teams have been built on the back of MJ and Rose... top 3 picks.

The Bulls got insanely lucky to get the #1 to get Rose (1 in 60 shot) and then got unlucky when he ran into injury problems... but how would the team have done with the #9 pick without the lottery luck (CJ Augustine was picked #9 that year.)

Take away #3 pick MJ and #1 pick Rose and the Bulls have 50+ wins in something like 4 of 31 seasons. With those players they had 50+ wins is 12 of 19 seasons.

Not every top 3 pick is great. Not every guy drafted late is bad. But in general, about 75% of the teams that made the Finals were built around a star they acquired after a 50+ loss season.

Also, to say "FA will never sign with such a losing franchise" is ridiculous. The Clippers used to be a joke of a franchise run by an owner that players hated. Yet when they were gifted CP3 to go with their #1 pick Griffin do you think FA hung up the phone because of their prior franchise history? The Sixers lost averaged 55 loses for 5+ years before drafting AI. Do you think no one was willing to play on that Sixers team because they had been lousy before he arrived? The Bulls lost an average of 50+ games the 5 years before MJ and the 5 years before Rose. By your logic FA would have held that against those teams and not wanted to sign with the Bulls... which is obviously false.

1. FA don't want to sign with a team hat is currently bad.
2. FA do want to sign with a team that is good and has a superstar.
3. FA could care less if the franchise was bad a few years ago.
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Post#11 » by tk76 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:13 pm

luss54321 wrote:Do you know what Golden State was before they became the best team in the NBA? Mediocre.


In a 18 season run GSW had:

Missed the playoffs in 17 of 18 seasons
Had 16 losing seasons, with 10 seasons of 52+ losses
Made 15 lottery picks
Had a 5 year run where they won 19,21,19,17,21 games... which is just as bad or worse than the current Sixers losing run.

Aside from a 2 year stretch where the won 42 and then 48 games, GSW was terrible for nearly 2 decades. I don't at all see your argument that GSW "built the right way" while the Sixers, who have been bad for all of 3 seasons, and have yet to finish with the worst record in the league, are somehow permanently ruined to all future FA while your example GSW is the premier FA destination regardless of being terrible for 2 decades.

Your reasoning makes no sense.
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Post#12 » by the_process » Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:59 pm

luss54321 wrote:
oyoyer wrote:
luss54321 wrote:
You have the worst GM in the league as your profile picture... Hard to take your comments seriously.


Not even close... Dell Demps, Doc Rivers (good coach, awful GM), and Ernie Grunfeld still have jobs, and that's just off the top of my head.

Also, right to the agenda? Jealous because your team won't tank for a superstar? Sucks don't it?

Don't worry about Philly, we are happy not to be on the treadmill anymore. Mediocre is the same as terrible in the NBA. Worry about your own team.


You still believe that garbage? Do you know what Golden State was before they became the best team in the NBA? Mediocre.

The Sixers have been an absolute disgrace for 3 years now. What do you have to show for it? 3 centers? One of which is a role player, and another who might never play a game in the NBA.

I'm a Bulls fan. We have a superstar named Jimmy Butler who was drafted # 30 overall. It's funny how the Bulls drafted a superstar after having the best record in the NBA, and the Sixers have been the worst team in the league for 3 years with no superstar to show for it. If you draft well, then you don't need to tank.

Philly has destroyed their reputation with Free Agents. Nobody wants to play there.


GS tanked to keep their pick. Got Harrison Barnes. Worked out pretty good I'd say.

You're one of those old guys, win all the time, blah blah blah. The truth is if you're not potentially winning a title, you should be trying to win a potential superstar. You disagree? That's great, tell it to someone who cares. Because it ain't me. Not at all interested in your opinion of Philly.

Oh, and your owner was super cheap. Until he wasn't. Things change.
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Post#13 » by luss54321 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:02 pm

oyoyer wrote:
luss54321 wrote:
oyoyer wrote:
Not even close... Dell Demps, Doc Rivers (good coach, awful GM), and Ernie Grunfeld still have jobs, and that's just off the top of my head.

Also, right to the agenda? Jealous because your team won't tank for a superstar? Sucks don't it?

Don't worry about Philly, we are happy not to be on the treadmill anymore. Mediocre is the same as terrible in the NBA. Worry about your own team.


You still believe that garbage? Do you know what Golden State was before they became the best team in the NBA? Mediocre.

The Sixers have been an absolute disgrace for 3 years now. What do you have to show for it? 3 centers? One of which is a role player, and another who might never play a game in the NBA.

I'm a Bulls fan. We have a superstar named Jimmy Butler who was drafted # 30 overall. It's funny how the Bulls drafted a superstar after having the best record in the NBA, and the Sixers have been the worst team in the league for 3 years with no superstar to show for it. If you draft well, then you don't need to tank.

Philly has destroyed their reputation with Free Agents. Nobody wants to play there.


GS tanked to keep their pick. Got Harrison Barnes. Worked out pretty good I'd say.

You're one of those old guys, win all the time, blah blah blah. The truth is if you're not potentially winning a title, you should be trying to win a potential superstar. You disagree? That's great, tell it to someone who cares. Because it ain't me. Not at all interested in your opinion of Philly.

Oh, and your owner was super cheap. Until he wasn't. Things change.


My point is that Philadelphia's master plan to tank and draft a superstar has been a complete and total failure. Why do you think Jerry Colangelo was hired?

There are teams all over the NBA acquiring superstars. Kawhi Leonard was drafted 15th, Paul George was drafted 10th, Steph Curry was drafted 7th... There are countless examples. You don't need the worst record in the NBA to draft a superstar.

How many more years of putting a D-League roster on the court until you admit it's not working?
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Post#14 » by the_process » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:14 pm

oyoyer wrote:
luss54321 wrote:GS tanked to keep their pick. Got Harrison Barnes. Worked out pretty good I'd say.

You're one of those old guys, win all the time, blah blah blah. The truth is if you're not potentially winning a title, you should be trying to win a potential superstar. You disagree? That's great, tell it to someone who cares. Because it ain't me. Not at all interested in your opinion of Philly.

Oh, and your owner was super cheap. Until he wasn't. Things change.


My point is that Philadelphia's master plan to tank and draft a superstar has been a complete and total failure. Why do you think Jerry Colangelo was hired?

There are teams all over the NBA acquiring superstars. Kawhi Leonard was drafted 15th, Paul George was drafted 10th, Steph Curry was drafted 7th... There are countless examples. You don't need the worst record in the NBA to draft a superstar.

How many more years of putting a D-League roster on the court until you admit it's not working?


This is only the third year, nothing has failed except the PR department, which is why Jerry Colangelo was hired. Again, not going to justify or explain the process. I am not interested in your feedback. You don't like the process, fine, go tell it on the GB. Just let your agenda go.
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Post#15 » by tk76 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:44 pm

luss54321 wrote:My point is that Philadelphia's master plan to tank and draft a superstar has been a complete and total failure. Why do you think Jerry Colangelo was hired?


Calling a rebuild a "failure" 2.5 years in, and 4 months before they likely get a mother-lode of prospects seems a bit premature and arbitrary on your part.

The Sixers have played 2 full seasons where they have "tanked." They have added 2 top 6 picks in Okafor and Noel, both look to be valuable assets. Now after this 3rd season they are in position to add another three top 5 picks for next year (Embiid, Phl #1, LAL #1), a late lottery pick who is the 2X defending Euroleague young player of the year Saric) as well as another mid 1st rounder (MIA) and a late 1st rounder (OKC).

So next year, after 3 down years, they should have:
Okafor
Noel
Top 4 pick (Sixers)
likely top 5 pick (LAL this year or next)
Embiid
Saric
MIA #1
OKC #1
No bad contracts (unlimited cap space should these players look worth building around after next season.)

They will succeed or fail based on the success or failure of those players. For you to already call things a failure when only 2 of those 8 prospects have even stepped on the floor seems to be either intentionally obtuse or irrationally impatient. It would be like going to Law School for 2.5 years and then dropping out because your career as a lawyer must already be a failure because you have yet to win a case in court. Do you really expect any team to be a finished product 2.5 years after a complete teardown? This is not the NFL.
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Post#16 » by luss54321 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:20 pm

tk76 wrote:
luss54321 wrote:My point is that Philadelphia's master plan to tank and draft a superstar has been a complete and total failure. Why do you think Jerry Colangelo was hired?


Calling a rebuild a "failure" 2.5 years in, and 4 months before they likely get a mother-lode of prospects seems a bit premature and arbitrary on your part.

The Sixers have played 2 full seasons where they have "tanked." They have added 2 top 6 picks in Okafor and Noel, both look to be valuable assets. Now after this 3rd season they are in position to add another three top 5 picks for next year (Embiid, Phl #1, LAL #1), a late lottery pick who is the 2X defending Euroleague young player of the year Saric) as well as another mid 1st rounder (MIA) and a late 1st rounder (OKC).

So next year, after 3 down years, they should have:
Okafor
Noel
Top 4 pick (Sixers)
likely top 5 pick (LAL this year or next)
Embiid
Saric
MIA #1
OKC #1
No bad contracts (unlimited cap space should these players look worth building around after next season.)

They will succeed or fail based on the success or failure of those players. For you to already call things a failure when only 2 of those 8 prospects have even stepped on the floor seems to be either intentionally obtuse or irrationally impatient. It would be like going to Law School for 2.5 years and then dropping out because your career as a lawyer must already be a failure because you have yet to win a case in court. Do you really expect any team to be a finished product 2.5 years after a complete teardown? This is not the NFL.


The Sixers plan isn't failing because of their record, it's failing because the assets they've acquired are mediocre AT BEST.

Noel is a clear cut role player. Embiid hasn't played in 2 years, and is making headlines for not taking his rehab seriously. They missed out on Wiggins and they missed out on Towns. That's the painful truth.

When do you honestly expect the Sixers to be good enough to attract free agents?

By tanking, the Sixers are basically saying they have absolutely no confidence in their ability to find talent in the middle of the draft. The talent is ALWAYS there. You don't need a top 3 pick to find a superstar, you need quality scouting and talent evaluation.
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Post#17 » by tk76 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:40 pm

So you are saying it failed because they drafted 3rd instead of 1st in each of the last 2 years? That is more an issue of luck than it is a problem with "The Process." An the whole point of the Process s to maximize your number of picks (9 1sts in 4 years) so that you are not completely reliant on any one lottery pick becoming a superstar.

As I said, they should add 6 players next year, and 3 likely are top 5 picks, Saric and two later 1sts. You should have a sense by the end of next year whether those 6 + Noel and Okafor are promising enough to start using cap space. Everyone is under their rookie deals through 2017/18. They need to start adding FA before 2018 so that the cap space is not wasted on extensions. If a couple of the 8 players I mentioned are studs then FA will sign or you can make an impactful trade to bring in a star. If all 8 are lousy, then you likely made really bad picks or were incredibly unlucky.

Lets say Embiid is healthy, they draft Ingram + Dunn and Okafor, Noel and Saric are all good rotational players. Add to that whatever you get from the MIA and OKC picks, as well as the hit or miss development of other rotational players currently on the roster.

Do you seriously think FA will refuse to answer the phone from the Sixers if they have 2 young studs and 6-8 other good rotational players + 100M in cap space to add 2 or 3 max FA? Unlike many unrealistic fans of other teams, I am not claiming that Durant is walking through that door... I just disagree with your assertion that future FA will not want to play in Philly because they had a terrible roster 2-3 years ago.

The Sixers should be really exciting to watch next year, be a playoff team either next year or in 2 years... and have a better chance than most current lottery teams to have a high ceiling moving forward.

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