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Re: Can we learn something from playing without our big 2? 

Post#21 » by dancing2thabeet » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:10 pm

littlerock2277 wrote:Hey i had I question about bosh since I assume you guys would have more knowledge about his situation.

Do you know how long he maybe out for? Like I have him for fanstay and hearing about this bloodclot situation is very scary but I haven't heard anything since they said he was out.

Also I was wondering if I should drop him? deng is available in my league and hes been balling since bosh was out.


Don't you have an IR spot in your league? Either way, Bosh is droppable in my opinion. Blood clots are no joke and when a person gets them for the second time (even if it isn't a result of genetics) it usually means being on blood thinners for life, ie Bosh is more likely to retire than to play basketball again, let alone return this season.
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Re: Can we learn something from playing without our big 2? 

Post#22 » by Bishop45 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:57 pm

I think Wade would probably slow them a little bit but he'd be able to hang with them. I question if Bosh and Wade together could play their games and still allow the same freedom tho

I don't think either or both on the bench would mean doomsday if it meant we could get more out of Dragic/Whiteside and have a pretty solid bench. Would be nice to see that experimented with TJ back
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Re: Can we learn something from playing without our big 2? 

Post#23 » by heat4life » Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:29 pm

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heat4life wrote:We spoke about this at length at the beginning of the season. Dragic needs to run the show and set the pace. Spo's vision of his teams has always been to run and push the pace. You can see him like a maniac on the sidelines every time we grab a defensive rebound.

The question was getting Wade - and to a lesser degree, Bosh - to buy into it. Wade's comfort zone has always been half court, give me the ball. Changing that line of thinking is Spo's biggest challenge and might've been his biggest failure thus far. It is not easy convincing a superstar like Wade that they need to get out of their comfort zone.

I really hope Wade buys into this pace and gets out and runs like in the Big 3 era. He is capable of doing it, he just needs to trust his teammates like he trusted LeBron and Co. to do it right. Like QUIZ said, we can't shoot 3's, then let's kill them with deadly 2's.


Wade has been running the lanes well, whether it's in the Big Three era, the Shaq era and in the recent era. The pace of this team under Spoelstra has always been slow, even with a team consisting of Wade and LeBron. It's the way he prefers to play.


I don't know that is the way he prefers to play unless his sideline behavior is just an act.. IMO, he's had issues with getting the veterans to push the ball at times. You are correct though, during the LeBron years Miami was middle of the pack or worst in possessions, and that includes the amazing offensive season of 2011-12.

Also, Wade has always been good at running the lanes, and he was at his best during the Big 3 era. The issue is when he demands the ball from Dragic and slows down the offense and let's the defense set. I mean, he is amazing at reading the defense but sometimes the best offense is when you catch the defense scrambling. Dragic turns on the turbos and the opponents leave players open. I hope Wade takes advantage of that. In the playoffs, you need a half court closer, so Wade will get his moments to shine.
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Re: Can we learn something from playing without our big 2? 

Post#24 » by Heat3 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:08 pm

heat4life wrote:We spoke about this at length at the beginning of the season. Dragic needs to run the show and set the pace. Spo's vision of his teams has always been to run and push the pace. You can see him like a maniac on the sidelines every time we grab a defensive rebound.

The question was getting Wade - and to a lesser degree, Bosh - to buy into it. Wade's comfort zone has always been half court, give me the ball. Changing that line of thinking is Spo's biggest challenge and might've been his biggest failure thus far. It is not easy convincing a superstar like Wade that they need to get out of their comfort zone.

I really hope Wade buys into this pace and gets out and runs like in the Big 3 era. He is capable of doing it, he just needs to trust his teammates like he trusted LeBron and Co. to do it right. Like QUIZ said, we can't shoot 3's, then let's kill them with deadly 2's.


Definitely his biggest failure. He can't get the egos to buy into his system. It takes an act of God to leave no other choice in order for them to do what he wants. Bosh being out for Lebron to play the 4 and letting the team play small ball. Now Bosh and Wade out for the team to run.
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Re: Can we learn something from playing without our big 2? 

Post#25 » by Bishop45 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:26 pm

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heat4life wrote:We spoke about this at length at the beginning of the season. Dragic needs to run the show and set the pace. Spo's vision of his teams has always been to run and push the pace. You can see him like a maniac on the sidelines every time we grab a defensive rebound.

The question was getting Wade - and to a lesser degree, Bosh - to buy into it. Wade's comfort zone has always been half court, give me the ball. Changing that line of thinking is Spo's biggest challenge and might've been his biggest failure thus far. It is not easy convincing a superstar like Wade that they need to get out of their comfort zone.

I really hope Wade buys into this pace and gets out and runs like in the Big 3 era. He is capable of doing it, he just needs to trust his teammates like he trusted LeBron and Co. to do it right. Like QUIZ said, we can't shoot 3's, then let's kill them with deadly 2's.


Definitely his biggest failure. He can't get the egos to buy into his system. It takes an act of God to leave no other choice in order for them to do what he wants. Bosh being out for Lebron to play the 4 and letting the team play small ball. Now Bosh and Wade out for the team to run.


:lol: , I noticed that injuries usually take place before a Spo act from God. Last season, Whiteside/TJ and maybe even Goran doesn't happen without injuries. (Not to mention Winslow, but Spo had nothing to do with that)

This season, TJ doesn't claim reign without Rio sitting out, adjustments weren't made with Winslow unless Jan.'s injuries and Amar'e is still playing behind UD lol Not to take anything away from Spo, because he definitely plays a part in making the adjustments and making them work defensively. Things happen and guys step up, we should be happy to be so lucky
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Re: Can we learn something from playing without our big 2? 

Post#26 » by heat4life » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:31 pm

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heat4life wrote:We spoke about this at length at the beginning of the season. Dragic needs to run the show and set the pace. Spo's vision of his teams has always been to run and push the pace. You can see him like a maniac on the sidelines every time we grab a defensive rebound.

The question was getting Wade - and to a lesser degree, Bosh - to buy into it. Wade's comfort zone has always been half court, give me the ball. Changing that line of thinking is Spo's biggest challenge and might've been his biggest failure thus far. It is not easy convincing a superstar like Wade that they need to get out of their comfort zone.

I really hope Wade buys into this pace and gets out and runs like in the Big 3 era. He is capable of doing it, he just needs to trust his teammates like he trusted LeBron and Co. to do it right. Like QUIZ said, we can't shoot 3's, then let's kill them with deadly 2's.


Definitely his biggest failure. He can't get the egos to buy into his system. It takes an act of God to leave no other choice in order for them to do what he wants. Bosh being out for Lebron to play the 4 and letting the team play small ball. Now Bosh and Wade out for the team to run.


:lol: , I noticed that injuries usually take place before a Spo act from God. Last season, Whiteside/TJ and maybe even Goran doesn't happen without injuries. (Not to mention Winslow, but Spo had nothing to do with that)

This season, TJ doesn't claim reign without Rio sitting out, adjustments weren't made with Winslow unless Jan.'s injuries and Amar'e is still playing behind UD lol Not to take anything away from Spo, because he definitely plays a part in making the adjustments and making them work defensively. Things happen and guys step up, we should be happy to be so lucky


True. If Drew Bledsoe doesn't get hurt, it would've taken longer for the world to know about former 6th round pick Tom Brady...

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Re: Can we learn something from playing without our big 2? 

Post#27 » by DeBrosh » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:38 pm

The two things that have really stood out to me is that (1) Whiteside can play and be effective at a faster pace and (2) Dragić is still a very good NBA point-guard.

I think both things are important because of what we need to know about those two guys going into this offseason is kind of central to what our offseason strategy will be.

In a broader sense, it probably puts a greater onus on Spo to find the right rotation to create better units in terms of fit rather than just talent. I think the challenge is what to do with a crunch time 5, assuming full health.
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Post#28 » by heat4life » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:52 pm

DeBrosh wrote:The two things that have really stood out to me is that (1) Whiteside can play and be effective at a faster pace and (2) Dragić is still a very good NBA point-guard.

I think both things are important because of what we need to know about those two guys going into this offseason is kind of central to what our offseason strategy will be.

In a broader sense, it probably puts a greater onus on Spo to find the right rotation to create better units in terms of fit rather than just talent. I think the challenge is what to do with a crunch time 5, assuming full health.


Hassan grabbed 23 rebounds! Big reason why were able to run the Wizards out of town.

So far I am liking Hassan coming off the bench over starting. He gets to bring that "all-hell-energy" with that 2nd unit instead of working himself into the game. He is still getting his 30 minutes per game and contributing like a starter. This might change so let's see how it plays out.
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Post#29 » by Ph4nt0m » Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:56 pm

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ethan-j-skolnick/article61685387.html
The true key to Miami’s recent success?

“We’re not thinking,” Deng said.

They’re just playing.

Confirms what I've been saying since preseason...

Dragic said he knew the number of his shot attempts were going to go down this season with Bosh back in the lineup (the two never played together last year after Bosh was hospitalized with clots in his lungs). But, Dragic also admitted the offensive system with Bosh, him and Wade was "different than what I expected."

"Of course, when you look my shots went down, my numbers went down. But like I said, I was not worried about that because we were winning," Dragic said. "Of course you need to make everybody happy -- especially CB, D-Wade -- everybody needs to get involved. I was expecting that. I didn't come here to average 25, 20 points a game. I came here just to be in games. Of course now when CB is out, I need to step in and try to be more myself and score."

"Now I can be more myself, more attack mode and try to score," Dragic said of what he'll have to give the Heat with Bosh out...Dragic insists he can play in that system with Wade and Bosh and be effective. He also said he felt like strides were being made as the Heat was nearing the All-Star break.

http://blogs.herald.com/miami_heat/2016/02/wade-a-game-time-decision-friday-for-shorthanded-heat-dragic-ready-to-be-more-myself-more-attack-mod.html
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Post#30 » by Revived » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:16 pm

I've been saying it since you guys traded for him that Dragic needs to run the offense not 45 year old Wade. Wade needs to hand over the reigns to Dragic and accept a a much, much lesser role like Ginobili or something.

You play Dragic's system which is up tempo and fast breaks along with pick and pop with a stretch 4 and you'll win games. Otherwise you are wasting the talents of the man you paid so much money for and traded two 1st round picks for.
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Post#31 » by Ph4nt0m » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:03 pm

Tell that to Hornacek and Spo.
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Post#32 » by DWadeno3 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:46 pm

heat4life wrote:
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heat4life wrote:We spoke about this at length at the beginning of the season. Dragic needs to run the show and set the pace. Spo's vision of his teams has always been to run and push the pace. You can see him like a maniac on the sidelines every time we grab a defensive rebound.

The question was getting Wade - and to a lesser degree, Bosh - to buy into it. Wade's comfort zone has always been half court, give me the ball. Changing that line of thinking is Spo's biggest challenge and might've been his biggest failure thus far. It is not easy convincing a superstar like Wade that they need to get out of their comfort zone.

I really hope Wade buys into this pace and gets out and runs like in the Big 3 era. He is capable of doing it, he just needs to trust his teammates like he trusted LeBron and Co. to do it right. Like QUIZ said, we can't shoot 3's, then let's kill them with deadly 2's.


Wade has been running the lanes well, whether it's in the Big Three era, the Shaq era and in the recent era. The pace of this team under Spoelstra has always been slow, even with a team consisting of Wade and LeBron. It's the way he prefers to play.


I don't know that is the way he prefers to play unless his sideline behavior is just an act.. IMO, he's had issues with getting the veterans to push the ball at times. You are correct though, during the LeBron years Miami was middle of the pack or worst in possessions, and that includes the amazing offensive season of 2011-12.

Also, Wade has always been good at running the lanes, and he was at his best during the Big 3 era. The issue is when he demands the ball from Dragic and slows down the offense and let's the defense set. I mean, he is amazing at reading the defense but sometimes the best offense is when you catch the defense scrambling. Dragic turns on the turbos and the opponents leave players open. I hope Wade takes advantage of that. In the playoffs, you need a half court closer, so Wade will get his moments to shine.


And often enough Dragic turns on those turbos and tends to pass the ball far too late. I'm sorry, but two games against poor opponents are not gonna change what's been seen over the course of many more games. It's an incredibly small sample size, one that has so many variables in it that make it hard to believe it's in any way sustainable. We had a narrow win against a Hawks team that wasn't even playing well and a blowout win against Wizards team that was on the third night of a back-to-back-to-back. All these conclusion are knee-jerk at its finest.
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