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Post#61 » by Ericb5 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:42 pm

76ciology wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/pjeffersonlim/status/700959160733569024[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/pjeffersonlim/status/700963346514706432[/tweet]
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- Jah has been rotating much better on defense.
- I think jah defended AD as good as Noel (not saying much)
- I like that sequence where he switches mid-air from a floater to a left handed lay-up. He has been unsuccessful with the floaters the past two games.
- I like Jah's overall development. He knows his mistakes/flaws and corrects them quickly.


Okafor's improvement over the course of the season is really encouraging.

He seems to really respond well to coaching on top of his natural gifts.

Despite his early season troubles with the off court incidents, I think he parents did a really good job with him.

He really seems to have his head on straight.


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Post#62 » by CoreyGallagher » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:53 pm

NOP shot 3-11, 27.3%, against him last night. He fouled out, but played effective defense.

Holding opponents to -0.5% their average fg% on the season.
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Post#63 » by bedjawII » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:34 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:NOP shot 3-11, 27.3%, against him last night. He fouled out, but played effective defense.

Holding opponents to -0.5% their average fg% on the season.

And the refs apologized at halftime for two of the fouls which shouldn't have been called.
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Post#64 » by 76ciology » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:45 pm

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Post#65 » by 76ciology » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:46 pm

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CoreyGallagher wrote:NOP shot 3-11, 27.3%, against him last night. He fouled out, but played effective defense.

Holding opponents to -0.5% their average fg% on the season.

And the refs apologized at halftime for two of the fouls which shouldn't have been called.


Yup, the they told them the 1st and 3rd fouls should are not fouls. THe first one, I posted previously. The third one was the flop on Asik.
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Post#66 » by joyeuxnoel » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:09 pm

i have to give huge props to our player development, they dont get enough credit

made vast improvements in noel's offense

turned okafor into a plus defender at PF

stauskas is actually looking like a nba rotational player now

tj mcconnell is having a great rookie season, so is holmes
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Post#67 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:39 am

Yeah it's definitely encouraging to see the young guys developing. Jerami Grant is another one that is really starting to find his way. I'm betting that he, Noel, and Okafor all come back next year as improved players for us.
As for Jah, it's a great sign that he has shown the ability to at least not be a liability defensively at the power forward spot. That tells me that he can play on defense with either Joel or Noel.
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Post#68 » by Winejk » Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:43 am

Let's just say Okafor is able to convert to the PF . This team is going to be SCARY! Embiid manning the center position and Okafor at PF. Then you bring in Noel and Saric/Holmes off the bench. Nobody in the league is going to be able to match up to that front line. Brett Brown is going to have an orgy devising all kinds of strategies and mix and matching his bigs to create mismatches.
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Post#69 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:53 am

http://on.nba.com/1ouBCab

Little writeup on the progression of our frontcourt. Hinkie says he likes...
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Post#71 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:37 am

Imdatboul11 wrote:Jahlil Okafor is a Bad Defender: Fact or Fiction?

http://thesixersense.com/2016/02/21/jahlil-okafor-bad-defender-fact-fiction/


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..that is playing PF. And before his 149DRTG against Mavs. Small sample size
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Post#72 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:17 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5vwMPTSve4[/youtube]
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Post#73 » by Unbreakable99 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:19 pm

This article about Kevin Durant from 2009 sounds awfully similar to Okafor. Now before people get up in arms and say they aren't the same I want to say I agree. I don't think Okafor is untouchable. I would trade Okafor for the right deal. I think I would trade him straight up for CJ McCollum. I also know having a less than stellar wing player is not as bad as having a less than stellar low post defender. And Durant was the better prospect than Okafor as well and most likely will have the better NBA player. But this article does sounds just like Okakor.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/7047/the-kevin-durant-conundrum

NBA General Managers have selected Kevin Durant as the player most likely to have a breakout season, and he's everybody's pick to be the next player to join basketball's two most exclusive clubs: Team USA and the All-Star team. It's no surprise that Durant is on billboards and the covers of video games. (A surprise of the off-season was word that the Thunder won't be on national TV much; Durant has the trappings of a player the world will crowd around television sets to watch.)

And yet, a shocking piece of news: The Thunder have, over the last two years, consistently performed worse than normal when Durant is on the floor. Any way you slice the +/- numbers, he's one of the Thunder's worst players.

You read that correctly. Kevin Durant, uniformly regarded as an out-of-this-world NBA player, has been killing his team.

Sometimes +/- can punish players simply for being on bad teams, but this is more than that. Mavericks' statistical expert Wayne Winston's in-depth lineup data shows that every one of Durant's key teammates -- Russell Westbrook, Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic, Nick Collison -- gets better, in many cases far better, results playing with less heralded teammates Thabo Sefolosha or Kyle Weaver while Durant sits.
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Post#74 » by mksp » Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:04 pm

http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.com/2016/02/76ers.html

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/701786120468766720[/tweet]

One thing I like to do with basketball-reference is go to their line-up section and look at the net ratings of their top 2 man combinations in terms of minutes played. When you go to the 76ers page, what jumps out is that pretty much all of their worst 2 man combinations have Jahlil in them. He's in 6 of their bottom 7.

Jahlil + Jerami Grant: -20.4
Jahlil + Nerlens Noel: -19.1
Jahlil + TJ McConnell: -19.0
Jahlil + Nik Stauskas: -18.6
Jahlil + Robert Covington: -14.9
Jahlil + Isaiah Canaan: -13.3

It's not just that the 76ers are terrible because the average net rating of their top 20 most used two-man combinations is -10.6. Jahlil is a weight whose literally dragging the rest of his team down. The closest to a positive with Jahlil is Ish Smith (-9.8). There are four guys - Ish, Grant, McConnell and Covington - who have better net ratings with Nerlens.
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Post#75 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:04 pm

mksp wrote:http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.com/2016/02/76ers.html

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/701786120468766720[/tweet]

One thing I like to do with basketball-reference is go to their line-up section and look at the net ratings of their top 2 man combinations in terms of minutes played. When you go to the 76ers page, what jumps out is that pretty much all of their worst 2 man combinations have Jahlil in them. He's in 6 of their bottom 7.

Jahlil + Jerami Grant: -20.4
Jahlil + Nerlens Noel: -19.1
Jahlil + TJ McConnell: -19.0
Jahlil + Nik Stauskas: -18.6
Jahlil + Robert Covington: -14.9
Jahlil + Isaiah Canaan: -13.3

It's not just that the 76ers are terrible because the average net rating of their top 20 most used two-man combinations is -10.6. Jahlil is a weight whose literally dragging the rest of his team down. The closest to a positive with Jahlil is Ish Smith (-9.8). There are four guys - Ish, Grant, McConnell and Covington - who have better net ratings with Nerlens.


From my observation..
1.) played major minutes against opposing team's most talented line-ups (lopsided battle most of time; see +/- and minutes relatiln on jah vs noel on last two games)
2.) can't have outscore opposing teams with Jah's low points per shot offense while playing against defensive liabilities at guards&wings
"Opponents shoot..
+9-10fg% higher,Defended by RoCo inside 6ft&10ft.
+6fg% higher overall,defended by TJ McConnell.
The list goes on.."

3.) we outscore teams via deflections that leads into fastbreak and jacking up 3s. (Higher fg% in transition than halfcourt; 3s vs 2s)
4.) jah also needs to evolve his game just like KD. That means understanding the way the game is played in the NBA on both ends. Low TO rate+ extra points (3s+ft; easier to get to the line compared to NCAA). Defensive rotations that leads to volume of deflections or challenged shots on defense versus guarding stationary like in zone.

Yeah, let the criticisms come. Important thing is for jah to continue to improve than letting it break him.
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Post#76 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:21 pm

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Post#77 » by Ericb5 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:11 pm

mksp wrote:http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.com/2016/02/76ers.html

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/701786120468766720[/tweet]

One thing I like to do with basketball-reference is go to their line-up section and look at the net ratings of their top 2 man combinations in terms of minutes played. When you go to the 76ers page, what jumps out is that pretty much all of their worst 2 man combinations have Jahlil in them. He's in 6 of their bottom 7.

Jahlil + Jerami Grant: -20.4
Jahlil + Nerlens Noel: -19.1
Jahlil + TJ McConnell: -19.0
Jahlil + Nik Stauskas: -18.6
Jahlil + Robert Covington: -14.9
Jahlil + Isaiah Canaan: -13.3

It's not just that the 76ers are terrible because the average net rating of their top 20 most used two-man combinations is -10.6. Jahlil is a weight whose literally dragging the rest of his team down. The closest to a positive with Jahlil is Ish Smith (-9.8). There are four guys - Ish, Grant, McConnell and Covington - who have better net ratings with Nerlens.


The original article is a good read, but I disagree with him all over the place.

I think the results in Houston should be an example of how well the Hinkie/Morey methodology can work, and not an example of its flaws.

Houston damn near had Bosh, Harden and Howard, and it was only a miss with Bosh that sent them reeling. Also Howard is simply not a winning basketball player. It isn't that the method was wrong, they just chose the wrong horse in Howard, and had Buzzard's luck with Bosh.

The method of shooting for the fences got them very good very quickly.

Hinkie and Morey are similar, but also different, in that Hinkie started from farther behind, and went the tanking route that we still haven't seen the fruit of yet. They both are asset acquisition guys though that make smart draft picks and trades.

I also hate the argument of using analytics to show the problem with a 20 year old kid. It has nothing to do with his future. It is all in his present, and he is on a team where it is very hard to have positive impact stats on.

He also wrote this article as if he has only watched the Sixers in the first 30 games or so. The Sixers understand the problems of playing Okafor and Noel together, and they have been experimenting on how to do it.

The most important thing to understand( that this guy doesn't seem to get) is that if Embiid is healthy, then the player better equipped to play the 4 next to him will be who we keep.

It goes without saying that the player that plays next to Embiid will have to be a respectable shooter to excel there.

Whether we keep Okafor or Noel or neither, is not a long term problem, and it certainly doesn't show a weakness in a philosophy. Having the best players possible that you have to move for fit, is much better than having a great fitting roster of guys that don't have great talent.

His argument about the teams developing their talent basically for other organizations is really stupid. You develop talent to make the players better either for your team or as trade bait to another team. If you develop a guy, and trade him to someone else then you got a return on your investment.

He needs to recognize that getting anything out of second round draft picks or waiver wire types is a big win.

He also needs to recognize(and this really shows his ignorance of the Sixers team) that we have not had Noel for 3 years. He was injured for the entire first year, and we are barely half way through the second year. So we have been developing him literally for about half the time that he said.

If he can't play with Okafor or Embiid then we trade him. Period. We will get great value for him at that point.

Most of the naysayers of the Sixers have the same problem. They misunderstand the plan at its core. It is like reviewing a movie that you have only watched the first 2 acts of, and then saying that you didn't like the ending. It is nonsensical.

The Sixers are not building their future off of how well Okafor and Noel play together, or how well their second round picks turn out. They are maximizing their chances of finding a star, while preserving flexibility. They are also drafting the BPA at every stop a long the way. The fact that Grant hasn't turned himself into an NBA starter is not a failure. The fact that he is turning himself into an NBA player at all is a testament to the Sixers, and to him. He was like the 40th player off of the board!

You can't judge the 40th pick in the same way that you judge the 10th.
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Post#78 » by Johnny Broad-Street » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:14 pm

I know this is oversimplifying the thread but when I step back it really feels like we are dissecting and overthinking a VERY talented 19-YO kid. He's learning a ton of new information and retraining his body to do things he hasn't had to do to be successful up until this point. I'm not saying the concerns aren't valid, but they may be getting blown out of proportion because of the microscope. Seems to me a lot of what we're doing boils down to how many special talents we have. For my money, Okafor seems to have the "special" feel vs. Noel, who I still think is destined to be a very good player, but may never be "special". I am high on both and still feel like this will all work itself out, but I've been in Philly my whole life and this feels an awful lot like the Philly inferiority complex digging into a kid a little too aggressively.
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Post#79 » by marcush » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:55 pm

Lol, imagine the grief this kid would be getting if he wasn't scoring efficiently at around 50%. Or, if his free throw shooting hadn't improved to around 70%. Or, if he hadn't adapted to a face up game against longer opponents. Or, if his jumper hadn't improved significantly. Wow, this guy would be getting crapped on by.....well, everyone other than Chucky
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Post#80 » by Sixteen » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:19 pm

Johnny Broad-Street wrote:I know this is oversimplifying the thread but when I step back it really feels like we are dissecting and overthinking a VERY talented 19-YO kid. He's learning a ton of new information and retraining his body to do things he hasn't had to do to be successful up until this point. I'm not saying the concerns aren't valid, but they may be getting blown out of proportion because of the microscope. Seems to me a lot of what we're doing boils down to how many special talents we have. For my money, Okafor seems to have the "special" feel vs. Noel, who I still think is destined to be a very good player, but may never be "special". I am high on both and still feel like this will all work itself out, but I've been in Philly my whole life and this feels an awful lot like the Philly inferiority complex digging into a kid a little too aggressively.


They get blown out of proportion because we're the 76ers. Simple as that. We're not allowed to have nice things here in Philadelphia, regardless of how we go about it. I know I sound like a bitter female with my post, but the constant critcisim of my team, my city, and anything positive we have going for us has sucked the fan life right out of me. The rookie thread isn't even a good read anymore. There's always posters looking for ways to discredit anything OK4 does. Very similar to the way Noel and MCW was treated. I think some of the fans of other teams are actually the ones with the inferiority complex.

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