Official Draft Thread 2015-16

[Homerclease]

is this poeltl guy a white guy with slow feet and an out-dated back-to-the-basket play style?


I don't watch much college ball anymore cos I can't handle a league that markets its coaches as the stars with mostly zone defenses and limited p&r action + you know, all the racism.

He is white. Poeltl is a legit 7 footer who is a very good shot blocker and has quick feet to switch and flash on the PnR. Gets a lot of his points by outhustling guys. Think Tyler Zeller but better on the defensive side and with less range on O

He definitely has more offensive potential, though. I'll give him that. Has better touch around the rim at the same age. Rich man's Zeller is exactly what I think of him, but that's not a bad thing considering Zeller is a 10/6 big when given minutes. I don't think he will get pushed around as much as Zeller does, either.

This, rich mans Zeller is an apt description. I don't think he's ever going to be a superstar but certainly a solid rotation guy that you can plug and play right away

[Gomes3PC]

Zeller is more mobile than Poeltl, but Poeltl has the sand in the pants and passing skills that Zeller lacks. Interesting comp though.

[No-Man]

Poeltl is a late-lotto guy for me, he could fall out of it, not many teams need a C nowadays.
His upside is bigger on the offensive side, he is quite skilled.

[Murta]

I am more intrigued in second round. With 5 picks, none who will be on roster, we gotta chance to take some long shots. I would go after every top euro who is draft eligible with a big buyout and promise all of them. We can draft and then maybe trade guys as they develop or keep them overseas for 3 to 4 years and see who pans out.

Philly and Minny picks are pretty valuable, but I don't like the European crop after 40 unless an unexpected number of players declares due to the weaker class. Cs will have to choose US guys with their picks.
Basically the only European player mocked past 40 is Nedim Buza who is a decent talent without NBA physique. There are 10 guys who are older but still young, better (playing in the Euroleague) and have been undrafted.

[165bows]

I am more intrigued in second round. With 5 picks, none who will be on roster, we gotta chance to take some long shots. I would go after every top euro who is draft eligible with a big buyout and promise all of them. We can draft and then maybe trade guys as they develop or keep them overseas for 3 to 4 years and see who pans out.

Philly and Minny picks are pretty valuable, but I don't like the European crop after 40 unless an unexpected number of players declares due to the weaker class. Cs will have to choose US guys with their picks.
Basically the only European player mocked past 40 is Nedim Buza who is a decent talent without NBA physique. There are 10 guys who are older but still young, better (playing in the Euroleague) and have been undrafted.

What do you think of these guys? Some common attributes that the team likes in bigs here to me. Skill, speed, mobility etc. Reminds me of their supposed interest in Isaiah Austin before he had to retire from basketball a couple years back.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/European-Dispatch-Getting-to-Know-Le-Mans-trio-of-7-footers-5376/

[bucknersrevenge]

There is some athleticism there with Poetl. Not a complete stiff.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwWltVRSJVQ[/youtube]

Quick hands in this video. Outruns the retreating guard. Elevates, finishes strong. Not bad.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV7v0W5IA8[/youtube]

Pretty good video of him against Okafor last year and honestly I think his D and his O took a significant jump this season. Seems to play smart positional D in the halfcourt. The kid is country strong. He doesn't even know how to use it yet.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqhAnaP-hCw[/youtube]

In the halfcourt shows the athleticism and length to chase down penetration in the halfcourt. Seems relentless on offensive rebounds. I'd like to see what his measurables are. I don't see star but I do see like Horford-esq production and a guy that will finish effectively off our penetrationg guards. If we drafted this kid I wouldn't hate it. But if we did I would be calling McHale first thing to come train this kid in the offseason. One other thing I like about him. He knows where his office is. He gets DEEP post position almost all the time. I could see him and a kid like Mickey playing well together.

[Murta]

What do you think of these guys? Some common attributes that the team likes in bigs here to me. Skill, speed, mobility etc. Reminds me of their supposed interest in Isaiah Austin before he had to retire from basketball a couple years back.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/European-Dispatch-Getting-to-Know-Le-Mans-trio-of-7-footers-5376/

Cornelie seemed like a mediocre youth player, although he kinda reminded me of Ajinca, with most of the good and bad stuff. What I would be concerned with him is the shoulder width because of which it is difficult to project how much weight can he sustain. Draftexpress has him @29 which I would say is about the right place considering the strength of the draft. That would be around #35 last year. Gobert was similar to that as well, but he does have wider shoulders.

Fall being that tall is interesting but I've seen too many players being pushed due to their size and being not good basketball players which his stats would suggest.

Jeanne belongs to an age group Croatia was bad at, so I haven't watched him at all. Although I read some thing about him on Celticsblog, some writers there think he could be an interesting prospect. I probably did watch Jeanne in 2014 at Euroleague youth tournament but that was way too early in his career to notice him. He'd like to play more but Le Mans is having a good season with Travis and Yarou next to Corneile at big positions, so it's understandable.

[Edug27]

Will it be a failure is Ainge is drafting with picks 3-8?

There's been a lot of elite players selected 3-8 over the years. So no. It'll be failure if that players doesn't pan out, just as it would be if he were drafting 1 or 2.

I think he means, (of our 8 picks) #3-8.

Oh..right..I knew that.

[sportscrazy]

If the Nets pick wasn't top 3 post-draft lottery and a 3-team trade was on the table sending Kevin Love and Iman Shumpert to Boston for Marcus Smart, Kelly Olynyk and a bunch of Celtics draft picks with Smart + the picks going to Milwaukee and Greg Monroe/Khris Middleton going to Cleveland...

A.) Would you cut out Cleveland and take the Monroe/Middleton package for yourself or do you prefer to Love/Shumpert package?

B.) Either way, what is the maximum amount of draft picks you would attach to Kelly Olynyk and Marcus Smart to make either deal happen?

[165bows]

If the Nets pick wasn't top 3 post-draft lottery and a 3-team trade was on the table sending Kevin Love and Iman Shumpert to Boston for Marcus Smart, Kelly Olynyk and a bunch of Celtics draft picks with Smart + the picks going to Milwaukee and Greg Monroe/Khris Middleton going to Cleveland...

A.) Would you cut out Cleveland and take the Monroe/Middleton package for yourself or do you prefer to Love/Shumpert package?

B.) Either way, what is the maximum amount of draft picks you would attach to Kelly Olynyk and Marcus Smart to make either deal happen?

A.) Middleton and Love are likely close in value for Boston at this point, IMO. Other guys are zero value at best here is my guess.

B.) Zero.

[165bows]

Good write-up on Jaylen Brown. Nothing earth-shattering but I could see the team taking a gamble on improving the warts based on the descriptions here.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball-news/4695956-nba-draft-2016-jaylen-brown-cal-scouting-report

[Edug27]

Good write-up on Jaylen Brown. Nothing earth-shattering but I could see the team taking a gamble on improving the warts based on the descriptions here.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball-news/4695956-nba-draft-2016-jaylen-brown-cal-scouting-report

Very similar to Jimmy Butlers scouting report... Except Butler wasn't seen as the athletic freak that Brown is. Hopefully he gets developed properly by whichever team grabs him.

[sportfan6197]

What do people think of Malik Beasley? Honestly with this talk of Jamal Murray and Buddy Hield in the top 10 I'm shocked Beasley isn't getting any love. Dude is shooting 48% and 40% from 3, with 16 a night as a freshman. I'd take him with the BOS pick and maybe even the DAL pick

[Powe-Fessional]

We should be talking more about Jamal Murray. Guy has been tearing it up recently. I think is inconsistency issues are fading away. You gotta remember with these UK kids, now is the time of year they start really figuring it out. Murray is giving me a little hope at 4/5 if the Nets pick falls there.

[Gomes3PC]

Good write-up on Jaylen Brown. Nothing earth-shattering but I could see the team taking a gamble on improving the warts based on the descriptions here.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball-news/4695956-nba-draft-2016-jaylen-brown-cal-scouting-report

Very similar to Jimmy Butlers scouting report... Except Butler wasn't seen as the athletic freak that Brown is. Hopefully he gets developed properly by whichever team grabs him.

Well, there's a reason Butler went late 1st. He made himself into a star. Butler was an elite, lockdown defender in college as well though - watched him at Marquette and Buzz had him defending the best player for the opponent every night, almost regardless of position.

He also was a better shooter and passer than Brown. 2.3/1.5 A/TO vs. Brown's atrocious ratio and shot 35% from 3.

[Wes-J]

We should be talking more about Jamal Murray. Guy has been tearing it up recently. I think is inconsistency issues are fading away. You gotta remember with these UK kids, now is the time of year they start really figuring it out. Murray is giving me a little hope at 4/5 if the Nets pick falls there.

Intriguing. Murray gives me a sort of Ray Allen vibe but he has to stay consistent. I think he'd be more efficient if he didn't have to carry so much of the load. He's only 19, so I'll give him the benefit of doubt. Still I'd hate to burn a 4th pick on him.

[Murta]

The more I watch Brandon Ingram's YouTube videos, the more I'm concerned about his foot speed. Brandon Ingram is one of the craftiest college players this year, but he's not particularly athletic. What makes Kevin Durant a phenom is that Durant can shoot from everywhere, attack the rim and bully smaller players in the post. Ingram can shoot from almost everywhere and that's about it. Another concern is his weight. Ingram has a nice frame, but he is freakishly skinny. Durant was considered to be skinny, yet he was 220 lbs in combine, Tyson Chandler was 225 lbs, Brandon Ingram started the year at 195 lbs, so let's say best case scenario, he added 10 lbs, that's still only 205.

And when Ingram gets to that level, how much foot speed is he going to lose? Probably not a lot, but Ingram's starting position isn't exactly great. A positive example for Ingram would be Paul Pierce who also lacks elite burst, has all kinds of craftiness and shooting. Ingram's moves and playing style are almost identical to Pierce's, look at this college video: link. But players like Paul Pierce are few. He was also much stronger and heavier than Ingram. Which means work to do for Ingram.

I don't want to get into Ingram's defense because most of his defensive lapses are mental, which will either improve with age and good coaching, or it won't. It is tough to gauge his physical defensive ceiling.

Overall Brandon Ingram is a nice prospect, but he is a mid-low floor, mid-high ceiling type of prospect. He's tough to project due to the weight thing. If he fills out properly and doesn't lose foot speed, with his height, there is a potential for him constantly playing like Jeff Green on good nights. That's a good good player. But if he doesn't, well, I don't like that scenario.

[Murta]

If he's healthy, I think there is a very high probability that Bender plays at Nike Hoop Summit. Too bad Giles will be unable to participate due to ACL tear.

[Wes-J]

You're reaching on Ingram. Durant wasn't necessarily an elite athlete, knocks on his strength, tiny frame, and less than elite verticality. Ingram will be a star no doubt.

[Powe-Fessional]

Murray gives me a little bit of a D'Angelo Russell vibe. He looks bigger, but according to Draft Express he actually grades out a little bit smaller. I'm not sure if the vision is quite there (UK's half-court offense actually looks great this year), but he's very similar shooting wise (percentage points are all close, averaging same amount of points per game). Love the range, sneaky athletic, is somewhat capable defensively. Main reason why I like him in that range is because he seems tailor fit for the modern NBA offense. You can never have too many wings/guards that can score in transition. Boston already has a ton of polished defensive wing players, they could use some guys that can score. He has a quick release and is really good at getting his feet under him before he shoots.

I find it easy to believe he's going to be the best player available when the Celtics draft. Someone will need a guard like that too. He could be an extremely attractive trade piece. I like the fact he's been introduced to international play already with Team Canada. Him and KO might already have a connection. He doesn't loaf around on offense either. When you watch him play, even when the play isn't necessarily designed for him, he's crouched and ready to catch a pass if he needs to be a bailout guy. I like that he's always engaged.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1FcEAJ-6Ok[/youtube]

Fun link above.