Rookie Discussion Thread

[eathb_au]

Had a chance to see Mudiay in back to back Kings games. He needs a whole lot of work. The Kings basically left him wide open or went under every screen, he looks uncomfortable/awkward even spot shooting without much pressure. His finishing ability at the rim seems inflated from his draft projections, didn't see any advanced instincts on seeing the floor.

We had Tyreke here as a big unorthodox guard, Mudiay isn't even a poor mans version of that. There isn't anything I saw to feel excited about.

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WCS with proper rolls to the basket and with a decent pg looking for him at the basket really seems like he can score 10+ ppg as well as bring the defensive qualities most expected.

He still needs to get a little more strength, but that will probably come.

Real relieved we went with WCS in the draft.

Agreed that Mudiay was horrible in both games, but WCS is 2 years older and his draft profile was that he was NBA ready. Also I haven't watched WCS much this season apart from his games vs Denver, but his defense wasn't really great, Jokic and Joffrey ate him for breakfast.

[blind prophet]

Had a chance to see Mudiay in back to back Kings games. He needs a whole lot of work. The Kings basically left him wide open or went under every screen, he looks uncomfortable/awkward even spot shooting without much pressure. His finishing ability at the rim seems inflated from his draft projections, didn't see any advanced instincts on seeing the floor.

We had Tyreke here as a big unorthodox guard, Mudiay isn't even a poor mans version of that. There isn't anything I saw to feel excited about.

..................

WCS with proper rolls to the basket and with a decent pg looking for him at the basket really seems like he can score 10+ ppg as well as bring the defensive qualities most expected.

He still needs to get a little more strength, but that will probably come.

Real relieved we went with WCS in the draft.

Agreed that Mudiay was horrible in both games, but WCS is 2 years older and his draft profile was that he was NBA ready. Also I haven't watched WCS much this season apart from his games vs Denver, but his defense wasn't really great, Jokic and Joffrey ate him for breakfast.

WCS is more about team defense, helping with switches, weak side protection, capable of coverage on the perimeter, forcing a pass when someone comes into the key.

He's by no means an excellent 1 v1 defender, at least not yet.

[LedeniZZZ]

Jokic vs Kins
13pts (4-8 FG, 4-4 FT, 1-2 3pt), 13 reb1 6 as, 2stl, 2to, 5pf in only 20minutes

Can someone check how many rookies had higher PER than 20 and ws/48 than 0.180 as a rookie, while playing more than 15 minutes in Last 20/25 years ?

[eathb_au]

Jokic vs Kins
13pts (4-8 FG, 4-4 FT, 1-2 3pt), 13 reb1 6 as, 2stl, 2to, 5pf in only 20minutes

Can someone check how many rookies had higher PER than 20 and ws/48 than 0.180 as a rookie, while playing more than 15 minutes ?

Only KAT.

[LedeniZZZ]

Jokic vs Kins
13pts (4-8 FG, 4-4 FT, 1-2 3pt), 13 reb1 6 as, 2stl, 2to, 5pf in only 20minutes

Can someone check how many rookies had higher PER than 20 and ws/48 than 0.180 as a rookie, while playing more than 15 minutes ?

Only KAT.

KAT has 0.159 ws/48. Jordan and Duncan qualify, but I'm lazy to check some other players. And don't know were to check whole NBA database for that info.

[emi_b7]

Jokic vs Kins
13pts (4-8 FG, 4-4 FT, 1-2 3pt), 13 reb1 6 as, 2stl, 2to, 5pf in only 20minutes

Can someone check how many rookies had higher PER than 20 and ws/48 than 0.180 as a rookie, while playing more than 15 minutes in Last 20/25 years ?

http://bkref.com/tiny/LAN42
Since the 90 season we've had Jokic, Faried, Carl Landry, Duncan, Sabonis, The Admiral and some Derrick Gervin dude. Most random list of names EVER.

EDIT: MJ, Magic and Larry did that in the 80s; Kareem, Walter Davis and Marques Johnson in the 70s; Wilt, Oscar, Bellamy and Dischinger (?) in the 60s; Pettit and Lovellette in the 50s. That's the whole list. A lot of all time great and some random ass names thrown in. Also, I'm bored as hell right now, in case you couldn't tell lol

[Quentin]

Jokic vs Kins
13pts (4-8 FG, 4-4 FT, 1-2 3pt), 13 reb1 6 as, 2stl, 2to, 5pf in only 20minutes

Can someone check how many rookies had higher PER than 20 and ws/48 than 0.180 as a rookie, while playing more than 15 minutes in Last 20/25 years ?

You can't look at it that way. When you're playing 36 minutes a night your body does different things when it gets tired. Plus how can you play 48 minutes when you're fouling out? Flawed stat in this case.

[LedeniZZZ]

Jokic vs Kins
13pts (4-8 FG, 4-4 FT, 1-2 3pt), 13 reb1 6 as, 2stl, 2to, 5pf in only 20minutes

Can someone check how many rookies had higher PER than 20 and ws/48 than 0.180 as a rookie, while playing more than 15 minutes in Last 20/25 years ?

http://bkref.com/tiny/LAN42
Since the 90 season we've had Jokic, Faried, Carl Landry, Duncan, Sabonis, The Admiral and some Derrick Gervin dude. Most random list of names EVER.

EDIT: MJ, Magic and Larry did that in the 80s; Kareem, Walter Davis and Marques Johnson in the 70s; Wilt, Oscar, Bellamy and Dischinger (?) in the 60s; Pettit and Lovellette in the 50s. That's the whole list. A lot of all time great and some random ass names thrown in. Also, I'm bored as hell right now, in case you couldn't tell lol

Great tool on bbr (I'm gonna have fun with it)

Well good company for Jokic to be in. Derrick Gervin and Carl Landry are older rookies and exeption rather than rule (also they played limited minutes/games). Farried was also a little older rookie at 22 yo, and shame he didn't improve since his rookie season.

[CoreyGallagher]

Okafor finally hit a 3, although, it's funny that it was one of the uglier attempts he's taken. Took him 5 tries this season, not counting the one he made in the Rising Stars game.

[LedeniZZZ]

Jokic vs Kins
13pts (4-8 FG, 4-4 FT, 1-2 3pt), 13 reb1 6 as, 2stl, 2to, 5pf in only 20minutes

Can someone check how many rookies had higher PER than 20 and ws/48 than 0.180 as a rookie, while playing more than 15 minutes in Last 20/25 years ?

You can't look at it that way. When you're playing 36 minutes a night your body does different things when it gets tired. Plus how can you play 48 minutes when you're fouling out? Flawed stat in this case.

It's just for fun man. Nobody is saying it's writen in stone that those combined stats means anything. It doesn't mean that those who achieve those stats are better players or that they will be better players than everybody else. Just wanted to know how many people posted those numbers in their rookie season, because it's not easy thing to do and not many people were able to do it.

[Knicks2DaHouse]

Turner and Porzingis played each other tonight and both showed out

KP: 22/2 7-14
Turner: 24/6 10-20

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Turner and Porzingis played each other tonight and both showed out

KP: 22/2 7-14
Turner: 24/6 10-20

Loved Turners post game interview.

He said they trained together over the summer some and became good friends. He hated hearing Porzingis get boo'd, but knew he'd be a good player. Also said he is looking forward to some intense matchups between the two for years to come.

[Michael Lucky]

Never understood why Turner never got more burn in college. It's because of that that he fell so drastically in the mock drafts despite the fact that he was actually really good when playing.

[MUpacersSIC]

Never understood why Turner never got more burn in college. It's because of that that he fell so drastically in the mock drafts despite the fact that he was actually really good when playing.

I've been very surprised how hard he's worked, and how professional he has been so far. I never followed him in college really, and it's nice to see someone who has his stuff together at such a young age. He's far ahead of my maturity level when I was 19.

[Marcus]

Never understood why Turner never got more burn in college. It's because of that that he fell so drastically in the mock drafts despite the fact that he was actually really good when playing.

Because he looked lost, Texas had a ton of bigs and they all banged except Myles, and made it quite congested with the lack of spacing the college game provides in general. Was always gonna be better in the league once he got his mobility issues handled.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Never understood why Turner never got more burn in college. It's because of that that he fell so drastically in the mock drafts despite the fact that he was actually really good when playing.

I've been very surprised how hard he's worked, and how professional he has been so far. I never followed him in college really, and it's nice to see someone who has his stuff together at such a young age. He's far ahead of my maturity level when I was 19.

Yea, Larry has said he is one of the hardest workers he has seen. Larry isn't one to blow smoke either.

[cyclix]

Heat rookies 02-24-2016 vs Golden State
Josh Richardson: 28:37 MIN / 5-6 FG / 3-3 3-PT FG / 2-2 FT / 15 points / 2 rebounds / 1 steal / 1 block
Justise Winslow: 32:44 MIN / 4-7 FG / 8 points / 10 rebounds / 3 steals / 2 assists / 2 blocks.

[Jkam31]

What Karl is doing to WCS is a crime!


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[Pacerlive]

Turner and Porzingis played each other tonight and both showed out

KP: 22/2 7-14
Turner: 24/6 10-20

I am interested to see how everything will shake out between the two. During the draft many Pacer fans didn't want Myles Turner due to health concerns and his draft analysis being a slower Center with potential motivational issues who would settle for outside contested jumpers like he did in Texas.

I don't think I have seen one guy who was ever portrayed more incorrect by all scouts and basketball analysis outside of maybe Draymond Green. It appears Myles is going to incredibly good and Porzingis is going to be also a very nice addition to the mix. As a Pacer fan having another star next to Paul George will be key in keeping PG in two years when he opts out.

[Kabookalu]

Towns didn't look good last night against the Raptors, but that's because we game planned him like he was DeMarcus Cousins. As a result Dieng got a ton of easy looks and made something like 8/9 field goals.