Trade Discussion

[blacksun]

Exactly. Warren has huge potential and he is a hard worker with great behaviour.

TJ doesn't possess the ball-handling skills that Hayward has. Honestly, the only player that I think could be a realistic target that I would trade Warren for would be Hayward.

And Hayward does not have the scoring efficiency and is about ten times as expensive for the next 3yrs.

Hayward actually scores 6 more points per 100 possessions than Warren. Their numbers are so close, except for assists where Hayward dominates. Warren has less turnovers but thats because he doesnt handle the ball as much as Hayward. Cant deny the price, youre basically paying more for a more complete player. Credit to Warren tho for being close.

I dont think trading Knight and Warren would put us back on the treadmill. I get your sentiment, I want this team to get young too, to build from the ground up and get a title with homegrown guys. But Hayward is not exactly old, he is 25, 3 years older than Warren. He can still be a part of a championship core here in Phoenix.

However now that I think about it, giving up Warren would probably be giving up too much value to Utah. Id still give up Knight, Goodwin and picks for Hayward though. And if we were to draft Ben Simmons, TJ would be a great running mate beside him in the forward slot.

[saintEscaton]

TJ doesn't possess the ball-handling skills that Hayward has. Honestly, the only player that I think could be a realistic target that I would trade Warren for would be Hayward.

And Hayward does not have the scoring efficiency and is about ten times as expensive for the next 3yrs.

Hayward actually scores 6 more points per 100 possessions than Warren. Their numbers are so close, except for assists where Hayward dominates. Warren has less turnovers but thats because he doesnt handle the ball as much as Hayward. Cant deny the price, youre basically paying more for a more complete player. Credit to Warren tho for being close.

I dont think trading Knight and Warren would put us back on the treadmill. I get your sentiment, I want this team to get young too, to build from the ground up and get a title with homegrown guys. But Hayward is not exactly old, he is 25, 3 years older than Warren. He can still be a part of a championship core here in Phoenix.

However now that I think about it, giving up Warren would probably be giving up too much value to Utah. Id still give up Knight, Goodwin and picks for Hayward though. And if we were to draft Ben Simmons, TJ would be a great running mate beside him in the forward slot.

Agreed but the Jazz wouldn't do it anyway. TJ would be redundant, Hood is just as good if not better

[blee732]

We added John Jenkins off the waivers list.
One more sharp shooter in this team.

After watching a YT video (so I've obviously done exhaustive research), he reminds me of Kevin Martin. Great shooter, slight build so he's not going to get many points at the rim. He actually looked pretty decent for someone who will cost just $1.1M/year over the next 2 seasons.

[blee732]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EarlKSneed/status/701622916803203072[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JusAnderson1/status/701630493272375297[/tweet]
Loved seeing this. We still have work to do rebuilding the culture and character of the team.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Jenkins is like a smaller Kevin Martin.

[Cactus Jack]

It's not that simple though. Young teams simply don't win in this league. Despite what many think, we are an incredibly young team. And we were a team that needed to get younger to ultimately reach our goal. We had 0 chance of reaching our goal going forward if we didn't start that movement, and so to claim that winning immediately is what quantifies success is misguided to me. What we've done as far as reloading via the draft won't show its real results for probably another 5 years. To sit here and complain about this season's results given the age of the team and Bledsoe's injuries ignores what is even close to realistic given the opportunities this GM had.

Rebuilding is a long-term process. The results many seem to be expecting are beyond my comprehension given the starting hand that was dealt.

Problem with your "rebuilding rule" it takes 10 years to rebuild yet I have personably witnessed the Suns, Boston, Miami, Lakers, etc do it in less time. Not saying your wrong but there is more than one way to crack an egg is all I'm saying. I'll tell you this Pat Riley isn't good at what he does because he believes that rebuilding is a long term process. Riley has rebuilt Miami twice and now is on his 3rd rebuild.

San Antonio and Miami are exceptions in that they can reload on the fly and never have to actually blow it up. The Spurs have established a braintrust dynasty from within through excellent overseas scouting department and player development personnel, Pop is basically the Evil Emperor who commands devotion from his troopers who always put the team before themselves and take paycuts to free up cap space and stay together. He has groomed his hand picked successor. they only got lucky landing the Big Fundamental to take the mantle from Robinson who they sidelined longer than his injury required to tank. Heat are a marquee FA destination due to being South Beach and Riley is basically a mafia don with his under the table slimeball tricks and string pulling and was the beneficiary of collusion that formed the Big 3

I applaud you sir.

[TeamTragic]

Not interested in Hayward. I would go with youth over another bloated contract. Warren.

[Jdiddy701]

I thought Sonny Weems was gonna be our next Gerald Green. I am not saying anything about Jenkins until he plays. Whether he's a point, SG, or SF I really like Pressey.


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[LukasBMW]

Dear god.

We are talking about John Jenkins being picked up off waivers and sharing videos of him being compared to Steph Curry.

A new low for us all.

Please season...end soon.

[Bogyo]

Dear god.

We are talking about John Jenkins being picked up off waivers and sharing videos of him being compared to Steph Curry.

A new low for us all.

Please season...end soon.

6'4 "combo guard" as in not tall and strong enough to be a full time 2, but not capable of running the point...yeeesh
If he is not an Archie/Knight replacement then I do not care. Contract is nice, gotten all praise from the Mavs, but doesnt move a needle for me, as he has been in the league for 3 years now after a 3year college career.

[Amareca]

TJ doesn't possess the ball-handling skills that Hayward has. Honestly, the only player that I think could be a realistic target that I would trade Warren for would be Hayward.

And Hayward does not have the scoring efficiency and is about ten times as expensive for the next 3yrs.

Hayward actually scores 6 more points per 100 possessions than Warren. Their numbers are so close, except for assists where Hayward dominates. Warren has less turnovers but thats because he doesnt handle the ball as much as Hayward. Cant deny the price, youre basically paying more for a more complete player. Credit to Warren tho for being close.

I dont think trading Knight and Warren would put us back on the treadmill. I get your sentiment, I want this team to get young too, to build from the ground up and get a title with homegrown guys. But Hayward is not exactly old, he is 25, 3 years older than Warren. He can still be a part of a championship core here in Phoenix.

However now that I think about it, giving up Warren would probably be giving up too much value to Utah. Id still give up Knight, Goodwin and picks for Hayward though. And if we were to draft Ben Simmons, TJ would be a great running mate beside him in the forward slot.

Efficiency - you might want to look at eFG%, PER etc

Scoring more total points per team posession has nothing to do with efficiency

[MathiasPW]

Interesting look. Shot basically 50% and 40% his last year in Atlanta. Had back problems.

If you really want to drool a little, watch this, but don't take it too seriously.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_uTwd0Aik0[/youtube]

I could do an exact same video about Knight. Identical!

[Saberestar]

Toward the end of practice, center Alex Len tweaked his right ankle, according to Watson, and left the court with head athletic trainer Aaron Nelson to receive treatment.

Len is officially listed as questionable with an ankle sprain, an injury he first suffered over the All-Star break and kept him out of action against Houston on Feb. 19.

http://arizonasports.com/story/564575/suns-totally-unacceptable-loss-clippers-alex-len-hurt/

[Saberestar]

We added John Jenkins off the waivers list.
One more sharp shooter in this team.

After watching a YT video (so I've obviously done exhaustive research), he reminds me of Kevin Martin. Great shooter, slight build so he's not going to get many points at the rim. He actually looked pretty decent for someone who will cost just $1.1M/year over the next 2 seasons.

I know that we need hope in this horrible season...but in my opinion this guy has nothing to do with Kevin Martin.
Martin has been a tremendous scorer all his career and a borderline All Star for a ton of seasons.

Their physical are similar, just that. John Jenkins is close to be out of the league after three years in the NBA.

[Bogyo]

Toward the end of practice, center Alex Len tweaked his right ankle, according to Watson, and left the court with head athletic trainer Aaron Nelson to receive treatment.

Len is officially listed as questionable with an ankle sprain, an injury he first suffered over the All-Star break and kept him out of action against Houston on Feb. 19.

http://arizonasports.com/story/564575/suns-totally-unacceptable-loss-clippers-alex-len-hurt/

So we only have Hump as a C in our lineup against Brooklyn? Lopez has been playing well lately... The tank is strong!

[Saberestar]

Toward the end of practice, center Alex Len tweaked his right ankle, according to Watson, and left the court with head athletic trainer Aaron Nelson to receive treatment.

Len is officially listed as questionable with an ankle sprain, an injury he first suffered over the All-Star break and kept him out of action against Houston on Feb. 19.

http://arizonasports.com/story/564575/suns-totally-unacceptable-loss-clippers-alex-len-hurt/

So we only have Hump as a C in our lineup against Brooklyn? Lopez has been playing well lately... The tank is strong!

It seems that Chandler is gonna be available tonight.

[Saberestar]

" I think we lost a little bit of that connection to the fans".
“And we apologize for that.”

While McDonough is understanding of why fans might have been a bit turned off from the team, he made sure to point out that there are reasons to be excited about the future with a bevvy of young players who are developing.

“Some of these guys who have a chance to grow into really good players and are getting an opportunity to play a lot of minutes at a really young age,” he said.

The third-year GM pointed to Devin Booker, Alex Len and T.J. Warren as examples.

"And then we’ll add a pick or two in this year’s draft,” McDonough added. “And to grow something that’s sustainable, I think those guys — our young guys — are some of our highest-character guys and some of the guys who connect best to the community, so I’m excited about that for the future.”

http://arizonasports.com/story/564402/suns-gm-relationship-with-fans-has-been-damaged/

No word about Goodwin here....

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Toward the end of practice, center Alex Len tweaked his right ankle, according to Watson, and left the court with head athletic trainer Aaron Nelson to receive treatment.

Len is officially listed as questionable with an ankle sprain, an injury he first suffered over the All-Star break and kept him out of action against Houston on Feb. 19.

http://arizonasports.com/story/564575/suns-totally-unacceptable-loss-clippers-alex-len-hurt/

Bledsoe, Knight, Price, Warren, Keef, Chandler, and Leuer have all missed significant time this season. Alex has missed 4 games. We got a significant case of confirmation bias going on here. I your .

[NavLDO]

Toward the end of practice, center Alex Len tweaked his right ankle, according to Watson, and left the court with head athletic trainer Aaron Nelson to receive treatment.

Len is officially listed as questionable with an ankle sprain, an injury he first suffered over the All-Star break and kept him out of action against Houston on Feb. 19.

http://arizonasports.com/story/564575/suns-totally-unacceptable-loss-clippers-alex-len-hurt/

Bledsoe, Knight, Price, Warren, Keef, Chandler, and Leuer have all missed significant time this season. Alex has missed 4 games. We got a significant case of confirmation bias going on here. I your .

I agree. Not to mention, who knows what is 'truth' and what is 'tank' this season. I suspect the FO will take a lot of "extra care" for "injuries" this season...We aren't exactly 'trying' to win the rest of the season.

I'm also interested to see who can 'out-tank' who tonight, the 14th, 18th, 23rd and the 28th of March...

[Mulhollanddrive]

If we're going for the pick, we won't play Chandler or Len tonight.

And invoke the Teletovic rule, benched until 10 points down.