The Trade-Mill - Trade Thread Part Infinity

[Celts17Pride]

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Joe Johnson and the Brooklyn Nets have opened buyout negotiations, ESPN has learned

Could be big for the Celtics in a number of ways.

Interesting.

I think Ainge has been waiting on Joe Johnson. It will be interesting to see if Johnson gives the Celtics a shot at signing him or is he going to run to Lebron as fast as he can.

[lon3lytoaster]

Marc Stein Verified account 
@ESPNSteinLine

Joe Johnson and the Brooklyn Nets have opened buyout negotiations, ESPN has learned

Could be big for the Celtics in a number of ways.

Interesting.

I think Ainge has been waiting on Joe Johnson. It will be interesting to see if Johnson gives the Celtics a shot at signing him or is he going to run to Lebron as fast as he can.

I think he could have a bigger role and earn more money with the Celtics. He'd be a good compliment to IT. He would definitely fill that versatility and shooting role Stevens is looking for.

I might even consider starting him because we wouldn't necessarily need Turner and Johnson both off the bench. We could use a microwave off the bench and AB had played well in short minutes with that role earlier in the season.

I've warmed up to it. Hopefully it gets done, he could win us some games in the playoffs and hopefully keep us with the 3rd seed and an outside shot at the ECF. That's really what we need.

[Celts17Pride]

Interesting.

I think Ainge has been waiting on Joe Johnson. It will be interesting to see if Johnson gives the Celtics a shot at signing him or is he going to run to Lebron as fast as he can.

I think he could have a bigger role and earn more money with the Celtics. He'd be a good compliment to IT. He would definitely fill that versatility and shooting role Stevens is looking for.

I might even consider starting him because we wouldn't necessarily need Turner and Johnson both off the bench. We could use a microwave off the bench and AB had played well in short minutes with that role earlier in the season.

I've warmed up to it. Hopefully it gets done, he could win us some games in the playoffs and hopefully keep us with the 3rd seed and an outside shot at the ECF. That's really what we need.

I don't think AB would mind at all coming off the bench.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Beggars can't be choosers,
if the pick is not going to be in the Top 3,
the best they may be able to singularly trade it for is Melo.
If they offer Smart, the pick and other draft choices, perhaps Philly can be re-interested
in a deal for Okafor after the season. In the end, if Dunn is available at 4 - 6,
keeping the pick and drafting him may be the best choice. Another possibility would be
to do a Multi-Pick deal with Denver for Gallo and their choice and take a chance on Skal,
who's improved somewhat, but at least two years away, so a NBDL stash for a couple of years.

[Jingles]

Beggars can't be choosers,
if the pick is not going to be in the Top 3,
the best they may be able to singularly trade it for is Melo.
If they offer Smart, the pick and other draft choices, perhaps Philly can be re-interested
in a deal for Okafor after the season. In the end, if Dunn is available at 4 - 6,
keeping the pick and drafting him may be the best choice. Another possibility would be
to do a Multi-Pick deal with Denver for Gallo and their choice and take a chance on Skal,
who's improved somewhat, but at least two years away, so a NBDL stash for a couple of years.

Same goes for any team that is thinking about trading their star player and starting over. Chicago, for example. Sure they'd like the 1 or 2 but in most cases Boston's 4 or 5 will be the best a seller can get by far.

Beggars don't have to be losers. Also, Ainge is pretty clearly not acting as if he feels the Celtics are beggars.

[ddb]

I don't love Joe Johnson at all, but I'd absolutely take him on this current roster. Joe brings a few things...Experience, shooting and another guy that can score in a big moment. He's shooting the 3ball at .37%...playing 33.4 mpg. If he wants to start then Boston isn't the spot for him. But he could absolutely come off our bench and play an important role.

IT-Bradley-Jae-Sully-Amir
Turner-Smart-Johnson-Olynyk

that would essentially end up being our rotation with Zeller/Jonas playing spot minutes based on match-ups.

I still think our team would benefit MORE from adding a big man with size/length that can contribute to rim protection, but I'm afraid that player may not be out there.

Johnson will ring chase. unlikely he comes to Boston.

[truth18]

From Howard to Melo. Smgdh.

I take Okafor over Melon all day if both are available.

Edit: not even going to correct what autocorrect just did. Melo = Melon.

[truth18]

everyone so salty about having david lee eat up 15m for a 1 year rental for the cost of absolutly nothing. Imagine the reaction of paying somebody 30m for 3 years who isn't healthy and does less to help you win than Lee at a cost of multiple first round picks and young players.

Yeah, say no to Melo at this point, maybe 2 years ago it was worth getting him to attract that other pierce in free agency or trade like Ray was, but that time has passed. I'm pretty sure most NBA players know you don't go to play with Melo to win ball games.

Really? Cause it sounds like the folks eating crow over salted it from my perspective. Opinions I suppose.



Good points on Melo. I would have been down to bring him here under similar circumstances a few years ago but his game is rapidly aging and he will demand too high a cost relative to his effect on us winning games.

Oh and what the hell, for old times' sake:

Spoiler:

**** a Lee

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Beggars can't be choosers,
if the pick is not going to be in the Top 3,
the best they may be able to singularly trade it for is Melo.
If they offer Smart, the pick and other draft choices, perhaps Philly can be re-interested
in a deal for Okafor after the season. In the end, if Dunn is available at 4 - 6,
keeping the pick and drafting him may be the best choice. Another possibility would be
to do a Multi-Pick deal with Denver for Gallo and their choice and take a chance on Skal,
who's improved somewhat, but at least two years away, so a NBDL stash for a couple of years.

Same goes for any team that is thinking about trading their star player and starting over. Chicago, for example. Sure they'd like the 1 or 2 but in most cases Boston's 4 or 5 will be the best a seller can get by far.

Beggars don't have to be losers. Also, Ainge is pretty clearly not acting as if he feels the Celtics are beggars.

But you have to be realistic, weak draft, a pick out of the Top 3 doesn't have huge value,
and Melo is still a star player, and for all the aspersions cast upon him,
who knows what a Stevens could get out of him?

[Curmudgeon]

This isn't a weak draft. In fact there are a number of players currently projected as second rounders that I like quite a bit, e.g. Gary Payton II and Tim Quarterman.

[DarkAzcura]

Beggars can't be choosers,
if the pick is not going to be in the Top 3,
the best they may be able to singularly trade it for is Melo.
If they offer Smart, the pick and other draft choices, perhaps Philly can be re-interested
in a deal for Okafor after the season. In the end, if Dunn is available at 4 - 6,
keeping the pick and drafting him may be the best choice. Another possibility would be
to do a Multi-Pick deal with Denver for Gallo and their choice and take a chance on Skal,
who's improved somewhat, but at least two years away, so a NBDL stash for a couple of years.

Same goes for any team that is thinking about trading their star player and starting over. Chicago, for example. Sure they'd like the 1 or 2 but in most cases Boston's 4 or 5 will be the best a seller can get by far.

Beggars don't have to be losers. Also, Ainge is pretty clearly not acting as if he feels the Celtics are beggars.

But you have to be realistic, weak draft, a pick out of the Top 3 doesn't have huge value,
and Melo is still a star player, and for all the aspersions cast upon him,
who knows what a Stevens could get out of him?

I think this draft is becoming pretty underrated for whatever reason. If you are outside the top 3, you still may have a shot at Brown, Bender (who I admit I don't know much of), and Murray (who is playing way better lately). You may even have a shot at Dunn if someone reaches and takes Bender. I'm pretty ok being anywhere in the top 6 even if Ingram is the guy I absolutely want the most. If Skal could actually live up to the hype, I'd say this draft is better than the overhyped 2014 draft (people were claiming there would be ~7 all stars out of the 2014 draft and be the second coming of '84 and '03) so it was always odd to see people hate on this draft even in the pre-season when people were still hyped on Skal.

As much as I love Smart, if we get stuck with the 6th pick in this draft, we could still be walking away with a player with more high end potential than even Smart.

[mbsnmisc]

Just catching up on this thread, Butler would be interesting. Really lucking out would be doing something else with the Brooklyn pick (using it or trading it somewhere) and getting Butler for less (Rozier, Bradley, S&T Sullinger, a couple of 1sts?). Bulls are pragmatic to a fault, Butler and Rose don't work..

Remember we had talks for KG involving the Jeff Green pick, ended up using that to get Ray and then paying a different price for Garnett.

You somehow wind up with Smart, Butler, Crowder as your 1-2-3, you could start Mike and Tommy at the 4 and 5 and have an all-time great defense.

Tommy didn't play defense.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Beggars can't be choosers,
if the pick is not going to be in the Top 3,
the best they may be able to singularly trade it for is Melo.
If they offer Smart, the pick and other draft choices, perhaps Philly can be re-interested
in a deal for Okafor after the season. In the end, if Dunn is available at 4 - 6,
keeping the pick and drafting him may be the best choice. Another possibility would be
to do a Multi-Pick deal with Denver for Gallo and their choice and take a chance on Skal,
who's improved somewhat, but at least two years away, so a NBDL stash for a couple of years.

Same goes for any team that is thinking about trading their star player and starting over. Chicago, for example. Sure they'd like the 1 or 2 but in most cases Boston's 4 or 5 will be the best a seller can get by far.

Beggars don't have to be losers. Also, Ainge is pretty clearly not acting as if he feels the Celtics are beggars.

But you have to be realistic, weak draft, a pick out of the Top 3 doesn't have huge value,
and Melo is still a star player, and for all the aspersions cast upon him,
who knows what a Stevens could get out of him?

Melo isn't a star though. Look at his team, then look at his team's record. They should be competing for a playoff spot. Afflalo is a good player. Porzingis has exceeded expectations in his rookie season. Lopez is also a pretty good player. And the Knicks still suck. Lost 12 of their last 14 games. Nope. Don't want him.

[Jingles]

Beggars can't be choosers,
if the pick is not going to be in the Top 3,
the best they may be able to singularly trade it for is Melo.
If they offer Smart, the pick and other draft choices, perhaps Philly can be re-interested
in a deal for Okafor after the season. In the end, if Dunn is available at 4 - 6,
keeping the pick and drafting him may be the best choice. Another possibility would be
to do a Multi-Pick deal with Denver for Gallo and their choice and take a chance on Skal,
who's improved somewhat, but at least two years away, so a NBDL stash for a couple of years.

Same goes for any team that is thinking about trading their star player and starting over. Chicago, for example. Sure they'd like the 1 or 2 but in most cases Boston's 4 or 5 will be the best a seller can get by far.

Beggars don't have to be losers. Also, Ainge is pretty clearly not acting as if he feels the Celtics are beggars.

But you have to be realistic, weak draft, a pick out of the Top 3 doesn't have huge value,
and Melo is still a star player, and for all the aspersions cast upon him,
who knows what a Stevens could get out of him?

This is the same logic that almost had us trading for Allen Iverson.

Regarding the weak draft, I'm guessing people thought the same thing 9 years ago when we were screwed back to 5 in a 2-stud draft largely devoid of talent and managed to come out of it with still-prime Ray Allen.

I'm not even considering how Melo would fit or how good he could be here. He is an old old old 31 and really toward the bottom of the barrel of guys this team should be looking to make a splash with.

[2Mas]

I'd be happy if Johnnson came aboard. Take out November & he's shooting 40% from 3. 6'7 240. Next to Crowder can def play the 3-4 small ball together.

Would be cool to see a Smart-Turner-Johnson-Crowder-? lineup. Just switch every p&r. All can get the rebound & break themselves.

[Afam]

I have no problem with the Celtics getting Melo. Think of it like the Ray Allen trade. It's just the first step towards making a major move .

[jmr07019]

I have no problem with the Celtics getting Melo. Think of it like the Ray Allen trade. It's just the first step towards making a major move .

I would have liked Melo but the "not yet, not yet, not yet" comment really rubbed me the wrong way. Screw him. How many millions has he made? 200? And he would rather stay on a losing team than come over to a winner over 7 million (about a 3.5% increase in total earnings). Screw him. Career loser. He's in it to make money not to win.

[Edug27]

Same goes for any team that is thinking about trading their star player and starting over. Chicago, for example. Sure they'd like the 1 or 2 but in most cases Boston's 4 or 5 will be the best a seller can get by far.

Beggars don't have to be losers. Also, Ainge is pretty clearly not acting as if he feels the Celtics are beggars.

But you have to be realistic, weak draft, a pick out of the Top 3 doesn't have huge value,
and Melo is still a star player, and for all the aspersions cast upon him,
who knows what a Stevens could get out of him?

Melo isn't a star though. Look at his team, then look at his team's record. They should be competing for a playoff spot. Afflalo is a good player. Porzingis has exceeded expectations in his rookie season. Lopez is also a pretty good player. And the Knicks still suck. Lost 12 of their last 14 games. Nope. Don't want him.

Give me a break. I can list off numerous "star players" who had a losing season in their careers.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

This isn't a weak draft. In fact there are a number of players currently projected as second rounders that I like quite a bit, e.g. Gary Payton II and Tim Quarterman.

It's a weak draft as far as transcendent players,
and who knows, maybe Simmons is right, perhaps the Celtics like Okafor better than anyone in the Draft,
and we know you don't share the same view, but I do agree with you on Payton II, he's Rozier on steroids,
he'd be okay in the 20s or great he lasts until the Philly pick.

And it does seem a strong draft for Euros, but in terms of transformational players, it is lacking as compared with
some of the other more recent drafts.

Let's just say it's a Limited Top Heavy Draft as far as tradeable commodities for players who could get the Celtics
past the Land of Cleve.

[Edug27]

I have no problem with the Celtics getting Melo. Think of it like the Ray Allen trade. It's just the first step towards making a major move .

I would have liked Melo but the "not yet, not yet, not yet" comment really rubbed me the wrong way. Screw him. How many millions has he made? 200? And he would rather stay on a losing team than come over to a winner over 7 million (about a 3.5% increase in total earnings). Screw him. Career loser. He's in it to make money not to win.

He has a family. Making a mid season trade is a huge move for players. And he has a no trade clause, so he's earned the right to make that move when he feels the time is right. And quite frankly, him coming to Boston isn't going to win him a title. So I'm sure he wants his next move to be on a contender.