Magic are soft?

MagicFan32 · Post #1 » by **MagicFan32** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:08 am

Did it bother anyone else that Curry went off for 51, and was clowning them, and he did not get fouled hard one single time?
Is it wrong to feel like this team needs a tough guy/borderline crazy person on the roster, who is not afraid to possibly be ejected or suspended from a game, to send a message?
I am not saying to try to injur guys on purpose, but you can't let someone get so comfortable that they score 51 on you, while only having to shoot one free throw all game

pogiro · Post #2 » by **pogiro** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:52 am

I dunno why this post ticks me off as much as it does, but it does. First of all, I think last night's game was a pretty solid showing. We were in it for three quarters and then the defending champs and the player having the single best season every in NBA History did what they have been doing all year.

Are we soft? I think that's an unnecessarily negative spin on where we are in the rebuild. I care about talent. I want our core to be made of guys that can be special and you can build a roster around. That's the priority. Not finding a Charles Oakley to build around. But really, Jason Smith has shown a lot of the attitudes you listed this season, and that's why he was brought in. But how much were we supposed to play him last night.

I will say that I somewhat agree with what you might be trying to say, but I wouldn't label it "soft". I do think Skiles' lineup decisions was cowardly and safe. AG only getting 30 minutes tonight while we'd have our best stretches with him on the floor, and it's not like he was in foul trouble with 1 foul the whole game. He was on the bench for some long critical stretches. Ersan didn't do horrible, but you're not going to win against the Warriors with Ersan on the floor. I lost a lot of respect for Skiles after this game. But other than that, the team had a very respectable showing and IMO it is off base to call em soft based on anything from this game.

Audi · Post #3 » by **Audi** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:44 pm

MagicFan32 wrote:Did it bother anyone else that Curry went off for 51, and was clowning them, and he did not get fouled hard one single time?
Is it wrong to feel like this team needs a tough guy/borderline crazy person on the roster, who is not afraid to possibly be ejected or suspended from a game, to send a message?
I am not saying to try to injur guys on purpose, but you can't let someone get so comfortable that they score 51 on you, while only having to shoot one free throw all game

No thanks. There's a reason I can't stand Tyler Hansbrough.

Seriously even if you hard fouled Curry on every 3 pt attempt he jacked up last night, he'd still have close to 51 and it'd be boring freaking basketball.

pepe1991 · Post #4 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:00 pm

Wrong game to dig too much into. Warriors are on pace to become at least third team with best record in NBA --EVER.
Should they defend Curry better ? Yea, maybe, but if they triple teammed him he would pass to open looks for 21ppg Thompson or Green or whoever. They are just way too good. Their 4th best player ( Igoudala) would be hands down our best player, and he is not even starter for them. It is what it is. We are not playoff team.

rcklsscognition · Post #5 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:48 pm

You don't need a hockey player to not be a soft team. We are soft. Soft mentally. Soft physically. But that doesn't mean we need guy out there hitting other players, pushing them to the ground, and fouling hard. What we need is a defensive identity. We need to establish our physicality at the outset of each and every game so we are not called for ticky-tack fouls all night. We need to learn to defend better without fouling. We need to be able to press and guard guys with our bodies without getting calls. That will take years to master.

904Magic · Post #6 » by **904Magic** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:48 pm

It's 2016, not 1988. No team needs a goon who only enters the game to start **** and foul hard. As Audi mentioned, that's why no one likes Tyler Hansbrough; that's his only value as a player, and that's pathetic.

Steph Curry is having one of the best seasons of any player ever. This is like saying we're soft for letting Jordan score 50; it's stupid, and it shows a basic lack of awareness of how good the player in question actually is.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #7 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:48 pm

I'd say we are more young and inexperienced than soft. I do wonder how Curry would respond if he was fouled hard a couple times. I can't recall such an instance. It doesn't need to be anything dirty...but come playoff time, I would expect to see this approach by someone like Dwight Howard (because he's just a little bitch) or Cousins (if Sac can sneak in to the 8 spot).

OrlDave · Post #8 » by **OrlDave** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:33 pm

If the other team is pushing you around, then absolutely stand up for yourself and push back. If the other team is making amazing basketball plays and the only way you can stop them is by physically assaulting them, then maybe they are just better than you? It's okay to be beaten by a better team. The goal is to become that team eventually, but nobody on this board should have any illusions that we are as good as GS.

PennytoShaq · Post #9 » by **PennytoShaq** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:39 pm

AG only played 30 minutes because we have a back to back and need him tonight in a game we can actually win.

Animorphsfan · Post #10 » by **Animorphsfan** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:04 pm

You do not hard foul or hit someone for being good at basketball. That is not being tough, that's just disgusting behavior. Would you hit someone at work because they are doing a better job than you?

The way to respond is to defend as well as you can, or do better offensively. We played well yesterday, the better team just won.

OrlandO · Post #11 » by **OrlandO** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:13 pm

PennytoShaq wrote:AG only played 30 minutes because we have a back to back and need him tonight in a game we can actually win.

He's been at 30 minutes (give or take a minute) for the past 6 games and 9 of the last 10 games...

Mc-o · Post #12 » by **Mc-o** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:21 pm

OrlandO wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:AG only played 30 minutes because we have a back to back and need him tonight in a game we can actually win.

He's been at 30 minutes (give or take a minute) for the past 6 games and 9 of the last 10 games...

What's wrong with that keeps him fresh , and illy usually gives us decent minutes while he is out there . I don't have a problem with AGs minutes

PennytoShaq · Post #13 » by **PennytoShaq** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:22 pm

OrlandO wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:AG only played 30 minutes because we have a back to back and need him tonight in a game we can actually win.

He's been at 30 minutes (give or take a minute) for the past 6 games and 9 of the last 10 games...

Right..and your point? His minutes are good. 30 is legit. You don't want to burn out an energy guy, especially on a back to back.

OrlandO · Post #14 » by **OrlandO** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:26 pm

Mc-o wrote:
OrlandO wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:AG only played 30 minutes because we have a back to back and need him tonight in a game we can actually win.

He's been at 30 minutes (give or take a minute) for the past 6 games and 9 of the last 10 games...

What's wrong with that keeps him fresh , and illy usually gives us decent minutes while he is out there . I don't have a problem with AGs minutes

What's wrong with it is Gordon can run for days and should be getting closer to 34-36 mpg on average at this point.

Mc-o · Post #15 » by **Mc-o** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:35 pm

OrlandO wrote:
Mc-o wrote:
OrlandO wrote:He's been at 30 minutes (give or take a minute) for the past 6 games and 9 of the last 10 games...

What's wrong with that keeps him fresh , and illy usually gives us decent minutes while he is out there . I don't have a problem with AGs minutes

What's wrong with it is Gordon can run for days and should be getting closer to 34-36 mpg on average at this point.

30 is close to 34-36 minutes lmao

OrlandO · Post #16 » by **OrlandO** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:44 pm

Mc-o wrote:
OrlandO wrote:
Mc-o wrote:What's wrong with that keeps him fresh , and illy usually gives us decent minutes while he is out there . I don't have a problem with AGs minutes

What's wrong with it is Gordon can run for days and should be getting closer to 34-36 mpg on average at this point.
30 is close to 34-36 minutes lmao

It's not really close when we're talking NBA minutes. And I said averaging those minutes... that also implies not boxing him in with a 30 minute cap when he is playing well. There should be nights where he gets massive minutes when he's playing well and making a difference for us.

IllMagic04 · Post #17 » by **IllMagic04** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:55 pm

Only thing I didn't like was them leaving him in when we clearly waived the white flag. A hard foul would have been appropriate for that.

OrlandO · Post #18 » by **OrlandO** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:58 pm

PennytoShaq wrote:
OrlandO wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:AG only played 30 minutes because we have a back to back and need him tonight in a game we can actually win.

He's been at 30 minutes (give or take a minute) for the past 6 games and 9 of the last 10 games...

Right..and your point? His minutes are good. 30 is legit. You don't want to burn out an energy guy, especially on a back to back.

My point? You responded as if Gordon hasn't been capped at 30 minutes for most of the month and that Skiles actually distributes minutes with future games in mind. And don't talk to me about burning out energy guys when Oladipo has gone through long stretches of playing massive minutes this season. Fournier played 39 minutes yesterday.

pogiro · Post #19 » by **pogiro** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:15 pm

Mc-o wrote:
OrlandO wrote:
Mc-o wrote:What's wrong with that keeps him fresh , and illy usually gives us decent minutes while he is out there . I don't have a problem with AGs minutes

What's wrong with it is Gordon can run for days and should be getting closer to 34-36 mpg on average at this point.
30 is close to 34-36 minutes lmao

Gordon went to the bench late in the 3rd quarter when we were down a manageable 5. Gordon doesn't come back until about 7 minutes in 4th quarter and we're down 13. Skiles a **** idiot here. Maybe AG needed a break, so sit him for the remainder of the 3rd, but bring him back while our team has time to make a surge. Not **** 7 minutes left and 13 down. Plus AG should have been fresh as he sat out a lot of the 1st half from what I remember.

Optimus_Steel · Post #20 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:17 pm

We are soft. We got a lot of nice guys that don't play with a lil nastyness. With that said, I don't think that had anything to do with Curry going off. He just had it going like a video game, when the greatest shooter in NBA history has it going like that what can you do? NBA Jam comes to mind when a guy catches fire. They way he had it going, we could have been fouling him and trying to push him around but he prob would have made the shots still plus going to the line for 4pt plays. When he got fouled that one time he went to the line, he made the crazy shot plus the one FT, would have been more of that.