Orlando Magic Free Agency Guide (Cap Info UPDATED page 37)

[ezzzp]

Mods, ban this troll.

Soft is making all the effort to do a FA player card and then when called out on the target you say you never wanted him.

How many times do I have to say READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE POST.....

I'm going to start adding player cards to this thread about some of the players that I think might be in Rob Hennigan's cross hairs. This doesn't mean I think he'll offer them a max contract, and it doesn't necessarily mean they are my picks. They are only players that are possible candidates.

Show me where I said I did or did not want him - in fact I specifically worded it to clarify that the player cards were not an opinion but just reference points to induce conversation...pretty simple really - sorry you're having such a difficult time comprehending this super complex issue.

the truth hurts

[Skin]

look at your words and the letter's I bolded...plus I already pointed to you the first paragraph of my post that said it was going to be a series of posts about free agent candidates, barnes was just the first one...

It's perfectly reasonable to assume that someone doing what you're doing would start it off by doing someone they would want. But I got what you said... That's why I said... "Guess not?"

Now, I guess we both agree Barnes is not a good target for us. But thanks for the player card....

I'm not opposed to Barnes if Hennigan chooses to go after him as that would indicate his scouting thinks he can take the next step. Like you said he is kind of like Harris, but the only difference is he's a deadly shooter, longer and 10x better defender.

You said you would prefer to keep Fournier as the Magic can go over the cap. My thought on that are that if Hennigan prognosticates Barnes to be a bigger talent than Fournier and Oladipo, then his decision wouldn't be about Evan vs Barnes, but rather Barnes starting at the 3 while keeping Fournier at SG and deciding on Evan vs Victor next summer.

OF COURSE YOU'RE NOT. All you do is sit on the fence! You're the master of criticizing others while never taking a stance of your own. You play scared all the time. "Whiteside is a longshot... blah blah blah.... but I think Henny should at least call his agent." Every option is open juuuuust in case. All you do is defend whatever moves the team makes and back it up with "they have real NBA jobs". You have zero objectivity. Always trying to be in good position in the future to be able to say good things about a Magic move so you can stay being a homer.

Remember when you told me you were never gonna make another suggestion again because there would be a chance that you would be called out on it?



Tell me this... If we sign Barnes and match Fournier... and Hennigan decides later to keep one of Fournier and Dipo (like you just said next summer)... what is the plan for Hezonja?

[Skin]

Mods, ban this troll.

Soft is making all the effort to do a FA player card and then when called out on the target you say you never wanted him.

Show me where I said I did or did not want him

[ezzzp]

I'm not opposed to Barnes if Hennigan chooses to go after him as that would indicate his scouting thinks he can take the next step. Like you said he is kind of like Harris, but the only difference is he's a deadly shooter, longer and 10x better defender.

You said you would prefer to keep Fournier as the Magic can go over the cap. My thought on that are that if Hennigan prognosticates Barnes to be a bigger talent than Fournier and Oladipo, then his decision wouldn't be about Evan vs Barnes, but rather Barnes starting at the 3 while keeping Fournier at SG and deciding on Evan vs Victor next summer.

OF COURSE YOU'RE NOT. All you do is sit on the fence! You're the master of criticizing others while never taking a stance of your own. You play scared all the time. "Whiteside is a longshot... blah blah blah.... but I think Henny should at least call his agent." Every option is open juuuuust in case. All you do is defend whatever moves the team makes and back it up with "they have real NBA jobs". You have zero objectivity. Always trying to be in good position in the future to be able to say good things about a Magic move so you can stay being a homer.

Remember when you told me you were never gonna make another suggestion again because there would be a chance that you would be called out on it?

Tell me this... If we sign Barnes and match Fournier... and Hennigan decides later to keep one of Fournier and Dipo (like you just said next summer)... what is the plan for Hezonja?

What a foolish and totally inaccurate post...Do you really think if you cry louder and spout off irreverent nonsense that will mask your failure?

For months I have been posting that Mike Conley is the player I think Hennigan should target. I have had this discussion with you and many others. In fact a few pages back you'll see me saying it....how is that for sitting on the fence.

...or how about that for the past few weeks I have stated that Hennigan was not going to trade for Whiteside because I did not think he would resign with Orlando...and I just posted earlier in this free agency thread why Whiteside won't sign with Orlando. You want more certainty of opinion on a future event than that?

I have also gone on record numerous times over the past few months that I do not want Hennigan to chase Horford, because of his cost, age, likeness/compatibility to Vuc, and limited impact....you can find that stance all over this board including in this very thread.

oh and here is my quote on Fournier/Oladipo:

My thought on that are that if Hennigan prognosticates Barnes to be a bigger talent than Fournier and Oladipo, then his decision wouldn't be about Evan vs Barnes, but rather Barnes starting at the 3 while keeping Fournier at SG and deciding on Evan vs Victor next summer.

...VS as in 1 or the other...look it up its a commonly used term

Keep trying, one day you might say something accurate and not dumbly constructed lies attempting to cover up your weak failures

[ezzzp]

Mods, ban this troll.

Soft is making all the effort to do a FA player card and then when called out on the target you say you never wanted him.

Show me where I said I did or did not want him

yea...yet another dumb and incorrect post by Skin

[SOUL]

[Skin]

I'm not opposed to Barnes if Hennigan chooses to go after him as that would indicate his scouting thinks he can take the next step. Like you said he is kind of like Harris, but the only difference is he's a deadly shooter, longer and 10x better defender.

You said you would prefer to keep Fournier as the Magic can go over the cap. My thought on that are that if Hennigan prognosticates Barnes to be a bigger talent than Fournier and Oladipo, then his decision wouldn't be about Evan vs Barnes, but rather Barnes starting at the 3 while keeping Fournier at SG and deciding on Evan vs Victor next summer.

OF COURSE YOU'RE NOT. All you do is sit on the fence! You're the master of criticizing others while never taking a stance of your own. You play scared all the time. "Whiteside is a longshot... blah blah blah.... but I think Henny should at least call his agent." Every option is open juuuuust in case. All you do is defend whatever moves the team makes and back it up with "they have real NBA jobs". You have zero objectivity. Always trying to be in good position in the future to be able to say good things about a Magic move so you can stay being a homer.

Remember when you told me you were never gonna make another suggestion again because there would be a chance that you would be called out on it?

Tell me this... If we sign Barnes and match Fournier... and Hennigan decides later to keep one of Fournier and Dipo (like you just said next summer)... what is the plan for Hezonja?

What a foolish and totally inaccurate post...Do you really think if you cry louder and spout off irreverent nonsense that will mask your failure?

For months I have been posting that Mike Conley is the player I think Hennigan should target. I have had this discussion with you and many others. In fact a few pages back you'll see me saying it....how is that for sitting on the fence.

...or how about that for the past few weeks I have stated that Hennigan was not going to trade for Whiteside because I did not think he would resign with Orlando...and I just posted earlier in this free agency thread why Whiteside won't sign with Orlando. You want more certainty of opinion on a future event than that?

I have also gone on record numerous times over the past few months that I do not want Hennigan to chase Horford, because of his cost, age, likeness/compatibility to Vuc, and limited impact....you can find that stance all over this board including in this very thread.

oh and here is my quote on Fournier/Oladipo:

My thought on that are that if Hennigan prognosticates Barnes to be a bigger talent than Fournier and Oladipo, then his decision wouldn't be about Evan vs Barnes, but rather Barnes starting at the 3 while keeping Fournier at SG and deciding on Evan vs Victor next summer.

...VS as in 1 or the other...look it up its a commonly used term

Keep trying, one day you might say something accurate and not dumbly constructed lies attempting to cover up your weak failures

Mike Conley? Oh geee... I wonder who here would be upset if we got that guy? Talk about a weak ass obvious to the entire world proclamation about a guy that would fill a huge need here. You really know how to put yourself out on the line. Can I count you on the side that would want Durant here too?

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You think you sound certain about Whiteside???

Nobody knows if you like him or you don't like him. Nobody knows if you think the Magic should go for him or not.

I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do, but I just don't think the Magic have any chance at signing him...but I do think RH at minimum calls his agent to test the water.

If I interpret this as you liking him, you're gonna say that's not what I said... I said "I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do (but duh, I still don't like him)"

f I interpret this as you not liking him, you're gonna say that's not what I said... I said "I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do (so duh I like him)".

This is a PRIME example of how you sit on the fence.

You said we shouldn't have traded for him and express deeply how we can't get him... but finish it off with the sentence that you think Henny should at least call his agent.

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On Horford... You don't want him here... You really don't want him here... You really really REAAALLLLLY don't want him here...

OK got it!





Soooooo if Durant says he'll come here if Horford signs here too, let me guess... You're on board???

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Fournier vs Oladipo wasn't even the question I asked. Unscramble your thoughts and give me a straight answer for once. Do you even know how to give a straight answer??? Since you like the word "vs"... I'll put it simply for you...

Barnes vs Fournier vs Oladipo vs Hezonja

In your plan to sign Barnes to start at SF AND it's Fournier vs Oladipo at SG...I'll ask again, what is the plan for Hezonja?

Please don't give me another curvy answer that doesn't have anything to do with Hezonja again. He is the subject of my question for you. Straight answer... GO!

[ezzzp]

Mike Conley? Oh geee... I wonder who here would be upset if we got that guy? Talk about a weak ass obvious to the entire world proclamation about a guy that would fill a huge need here. You really know how to put yourself out on the line. Can I count you on the side that would want Durant here too?

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You think you sound certain about Whiteside???

Nobody knows if you like him or you don't like him. Nobody knows if you think the Magic should go for him or not.

I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do, but I just don't think the Magic have any chance at signing him...but I do think RH at minimum calls his agent to test the water.

If I interpret this as you liking him, you're gonna say that's not what I said... I said "I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do (but duh, I still don't like him)"

f I interpret this as you not liking him, you're gonna say that's not what I said... I said "I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do (so duh I like him)".

This is a PRIME example of how you sit on the fence.

You said we shouldn't have traded for him and express deeply how we can't get him... but finish it off with the sentence that you think Henny should at least call his agent.
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On Horford... You don't want him here... You really don't want him here... You really really REAAALLLLLY don't want him here...

OK got it!

Soooooo if Durant says he'll come here if Horford signs here too, let me guess... You're on board???
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Fournier vs Oladipo wasn't even the question I asked. Unscramble your thoughts and give me a straight answer for once. Do you even know how to give a straight answer??? Since you like the word "vs"... I'll put it simply for you...

Barnes vs Fournier vs Oladipo vs Hezonja

In your plan to sign Barnes to start at SF AND it's Fournier vs Oladipo at SG...I'll ask again, what is the plan for Hezonja?

Please don't give me another curvy answer that doesn't have anything to do with Hezonja again. He is the subject of my question for you. Straight answer... GO!

wow! smh ...soft and dim

[ralphie9898]

I don't think the Magic have any shot at Whiteside. He is even more of a longshot than Durant in my opinion.

Max money offers will be there for him from many teams; plus Miami can offer him higher raises, lifestyle and no state tax.

He is know for having a personality that is all about Hassan all the time. I don't really care about that - but that type of personality is going to want to live in a major city, not in a small conservative family community.

If he was all about winning, I'd say there was a chance as maybe RH can convince him of a future. But he doesn't care about basketball or winning - its just his meal ticket...and that's totally fine, but it again makes Orlando a very unlikely destination for him.

New York, Brooklyn and LA are already preparing offers. At the trade deadline, Lakers were rumored to have tried to trade for him.

I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do, but I just don't think the Magic have any chance at signing him...but I do think RH at minimum calls his agent to test the water.

yeah I didn't say anything about out our odds to get him. I just said that I would make him priority number one and make a max offer right away. If he takes or not is a big question mark as this will be a tough offseason. Miami is a very real threat to resign him. All i am saying is that it wouldn't hurt to go after him. I do think we have better chances then Brooklyn or New York. LA is a possibility that probably could beat us out. In the end he may not but I am not going to hessitate on trying to get the best we can get. I am not for settling on things that may not help us that much. I will let time due that if that as that tells us what is possible and what is not. I wouldn't sya he is more unrealistic then Durant. Durant is by far more unrealistic. We will see but you never truly know where guys would want to go. Plus we have enough space where we could offer him a chance to play with another very good player and more as we have a lot of young talent that can be kept or traded. We shall see. Orlando is close so he doesn't have to move that far so if he leaves that could be an advantage. If he wants to win Miami may not be able to progress to far in the playoffs and Wade and Bosh aren't getting any younger or healthier. Plus we do have the income tax benefit and yeah I know that only applies to home games or games in other states that have no income tax or games against Miami so it is still a benefit. We shall see.

Yeah, I didn't say you did. I gave my opinion on why he is a long shot.

...and why idfk would proximity of move be an advantage? LOL dude will be a multi millionaire...he's not renting a U-Haul - he'll get people to pack his sht and move it for him while a limo picks him up and takes him to the jet while he sips champagne en route to his new mansion.

Why because he may like where he is. It is not that moving wouldn't be a problem. Some guys like to not have to move away from places they are familiar with. Is it a big thing maybe maybe not but we can talk all about it but in the end it is up to him and his people and not us.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I feel Horford is only targeted IF Durant is in play, if not I truly feel as Henny is completely comfortable with AG at the 4 for the foreseeable future playing a Draymond role.

Baring any superstar trades, I feel as we call Harrison Barnes agent at 12:01 and Jokims Noah's back to back.

Harrison Barnes could have untapped potential. He's a solid supplemental scorer at this point and could become more. He defends well, shoots well and is a perfect fit for an uptempo team. I don't think GSW matches a max offer.

Offer Noah a promising more limited role on a Florida team full of youth. Mentor/energy/defensive role model that can immediately come in and match our young guys energy and play hard nosed defense. Don't ask much from him, simply come off the bench and be happy and energetic as we all know you can be and just try to stay healthy. Offer him a 3 yr/40m contract (last year team option).

Retain Ilyasova. With Anderson looking to easily get 13-15 mil/yr @ 8mil Ily is a bargain and could become a valuable asset later in the season if we chose to move him. He could also benefit from playing off a player like Noah as he did with Drummond.

Offer/retain Jason Smith @ 3 yr/24 mil (Last yr team option)

Match Fournier and worry about it later.

Draft and stash euro Furkan Korkmaz

Let Jennings/Nicholson/Dedmon all walk (unfortunately)

Payton - Watson - Napier
Oladipo - Hezonja - Harvey
Barnes - Fournier - Marble
Gordon - Ily - Smith
Vucevic- Noah - Smith

Not winning a championship but signing good contracts and maintaining flexibility and with internal player development I could see us competiting easily for a playoff spot.

[ralphie9898]

I'm going to start adding player cards to this thread about some of the players that I think might be in Rob Hennigan's cross hairs. This doesn't mean I think he'll offer them a max contract, and it doesn't necessarily mean they are my picks. They are only players that are possible candidates.

And Harrison Barnes is more realistic than Whiteside? He is restricted and unless the Warriors chase a big name he is likely to be back. Plus I am not so sure he is any different then Gordon and I don't think we need a three. If we do add more wing men it will probably be guys who can shoot really well. Plus we would have to wait on the warriors.

Do you have reading comprehension problems?

Oh how easy it is to just say that and not argue a lefitimate point which u do have as I acknowledge that but you seem to be unable to acknowledge my points as well. i totally understand but am simply adding to the conversation and recognizing that I am not him and don't know what he puts first. There are reasons why he could come here just as there are reasons why he wouldn't. They both exist and it is up to him not us.

[ralphie9898]

I really don't understand why you guys would think they'll stick together. They seem to have a good relationship where they can share the spotlight...but from a pure basketball perspective, they could each do much better. They don't fit together. They are both extremely ball dominant and while they can coexist on the floor, they don't play off of each other well. Contracts aside, I don't see why would they want to stay together after this summer or next. Let's say Durant takes the 1&1 deal and returns to OKC next year....and they don't win the title...again. If you are either of them...why would you want to keep trying the same thing. Isn't that the true definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over...and expecting different results? They are two of the NBA's best but they do not work as a unit.

Uh have u been watching or even seeing the numbers because Westbrook is becoming more and more of a true PG and not having to be the man. And even so they still have had tremendous success when both are healthy. And outside of the Warriors the Thunder are one of the best teams so not sure how you can say they don't work together. And it also makes economic sense to sign a one deal as he can take advantage of the rise in cap numbers. Plus if he waits one year then both him and Westbrook can leave.I don't think it is insane if he returns there at all.I would say they are one of the few options for him. OKC, Washington and then Golden State are pretty much it and OKC does make a lot of sense for him. And you are only trying the same thing if that actually happens again and there is no guarantee that it will. These are competitive guys and if anyone has a chance at dethroning the Warriors it is OKC so not sure where the better option is. And most of those options if there are any will likely still be there.

Let me first clarify by saying that I am right there with you when it comes to the 1&1. That makes perfect sense. I am saying beyond that, if they don't win a title...why would they continue beating a dead horse entering the second half of their prime? Yes, Westbrook has truly evolved and become a player that can be on the floor with Durant but he is at his best when he can truly dominate the ball and be the playmaker he wants to be. The same goes for Durant. Right now, OKC appears to have the best chance at taking down GSW but I am saying if they fail this year and next to actually take them down...why keep trying with the same co-star?

I believe Westbrook is at his best when he is doing what it takes to win. I think Durant goes back to OKC on a one year deal and then yeah if they don't win then yeah they very well could bolt. But who knows as OKC could entice them to stay as they can be proactive too. We shall see what happens which is basically my point on everything as we can make all the educated guesses we want about the future but we don't know what will happen. I am not even sure Durant knows what he is ultimately going to do. I think it would be wise of him to not get to hasty and decide for himself when he has as many facts as he can.

[tiderulz]

I feel Horford is only targeted IF Durant is in play, if not I truly feel as Henny is completely comfortable with AG at the 4 for the foreseeable future playing a Draymond role.

Baring any superstar trades, I feel as we call Harrison Barnes agent at 12:01 and Jokims Noah's back to back.

Harrison Barnes could have untapped potential. He's a solid supplemental scorer at this point and could become more. He defends well, shoots well and is a perfect fit for an uptempo team. I don't think GSW matches a max offer.

Offer Noah a promising more limited role on a Florida team full of youth. Mentor/energy/defensive role model that can immediately come in and match our young guys energy and play hard nosed defense. Don't ask much from him, simply come off the bench and be happy and energetic as we all know you can be and just try to stay healthy. Offer him a 3 yr/40m contract (last year team option).

Retain Ilyasova. With Anderson looking to easily get 13-15 mil/yr @ 8mil Ily is a bargain and could become a valuable asset later in the season if we chose to move him. He could also benefit from playing off a player like Noah as he did with Drummond.

Offer/retain Jason Smith @ 3 yr/24 mil (Last yr team option)

Match Fournier and worry about it later.

Draft and stash euro Furkan Korkmaz

Let Jennings/Nicholson/Dedmon all walk (unfortunately)

Payton - Watson - Napier
Oladipo - Hezonja - Harvey
Barnes - Fournier - Marble
Gordon - Ily - Smith
Vucevic- Noah - Smith

Not winning a championship but signing good contracts and maintaining flexibility and with internal player development I could see us competiting easily for a playoff spot.

i want to build a team that does more than just compete for a playoff spot. That money for Noah is way too big, his playing days are almost done. He needs to be a 10-15 min backup and that is too much money for that. And Harrison Barnes, GSW wont match any big offer because he is practically invisible up there. He missed like 17 games and GS didnt miss a beat. He is the beneficiary of playing on a team with Curry and Thompson. He gets sooo many open looks, ones he would not get here. And SF is not our biggest weakness. If we dont get some post defense, we wont go anywhere. And Gordon is still our best perimeter defender, which are hard to find. We need another option at PF.

[Patrick1978]

I feel Horford is only targeted IF Durant is in play, if not I truly feel as Henny is completely comfortable with AG at the 4 for the foreseeable future playing a Draymond role.

Baring any superstar trades, I feel as we call Harrison Barnes agent at 12:01 and Jokims Noah's back to back.

Harrison Barnes could have untapped potential. He's a solid supplemental scorer at this point and could become more. He defends well, shoots well and is a perfect fit for an uptempo team. I don't think GSW matches a max offer.

Offer Noah a promising more limited role on a Florida team full of youth. Mentor/energy/defensive role model that can immediately come in and match our young guys energy and play hard nosed defense. Don't ask much from him, simply come off the bench and be happy and energetic as we all know you can be and just try to stay healthy. Offer him a 3 yr/40m contract (last year team option).

Retain Ilyasova. With Anderson looking to easily get 13-15 mil/yr @ 8mil Ily is a bargain and could become a valuable asset later in the season if we chose to move him. He could also benefit from playing off a player like Noah as he did with Drummond.

Offer/retain Jason Smith @ 3 yr/24 mil (Last yr team option)

Match Fournier and worry about it later.

Draft and stash euro Furkan Korkmaz

Let Jennings/Nicholson/Dedmon all walk (unfortunately)

Payton - Watson - Napier
Oladipo - Hezonja - Harvey
Barnes - Fournier - Marble
Gordon - Ily - Smith
Vucevic- Noah - Smith

Not winning a championship but signing good contracts and maintaining flexibility and with internal player development I could see us competiting easily for a playoff spot.

i want to build a team that does more than just compete for a playoff spot. That money for Noah is way too big, his playing days are almost done. He needs to be a 10-15 min backup and that is too much money for that. And Harrison Barnes, GSW wont match any big offer because he is practically invisible up there. He missed like 17 games and GS didnt miss a beat. He is the beneficiary of playing on a team with Curry and Thompson. He gets sooo many open looks, ones he would not get here. And SF is not our biggest weakness. If we dont get some post defense, we wont go anywhere. And Gordon is still our best perimeter defender, which are hard to find. We need another option at PF.

What do suggest? Draft or free agency?

[tiderulz]

I feel Horford is only targeted IF Durant is in play, if not I truly feel as Henny is completely comfortable with AG at the 4 for the foreseeable future playing a Draymond role.

Baring any superstar trades, I feel as we call Harrison Barnes agent at 12:01 and Jokims Noah's back to back.

Harrison Barnes could have untapped potential. He's a solid supplemental scorer at this point and could become more. He defends well, shoots well and is a perfect fit for an uptempo team. I don't think GSW matches a max offer.

Offer Noah a promising more limited role on a Florida team full of youth. Mentor/energy/defensive role model that can immediately come in and match our young guys energy and play hard nosed defense. Don't ask much from him, simply come off the bench and be happy and energetic as we all know you can be and just try to stay healthy. Offer him a 3 yr/40m contract (last year team option).

Retain Ilyasova. With Anderson looking to easily get 13-15 mil/yr @ 8mil Ily is a bargain and could become a valuable asset later in the season if we chose to move him. He could also benefit from playing off a player like Noah as he did with Drummond.

Offer/retain Jason Smith @ 3 yr/24 mil (Last yr team option)

Match Fournier and worry about it later.

Draft and stash euro Furkan Korkmaz

Let Jennings/Nicholson/Dedmon all walk (unfortunately)

Payton - Watson - Napier
Oladipo - Hezonja - Harvey
Barnes - Fournier - Marble
Gordon - Ily - Smith
Vucevic- Noah - Smith

Not winning a championship but signing good contracts and maintaining flexibility and with internal player development I could see us competiting easily for a playoff spot.

i want to build a team that does more than just compete for a playoff spot. That money for Noah is way too big, his playing days are almost done. He needs to be a 10-15 min backup and that is too much money for that. And Harrison Barnes, GSW wont match any big offer because he is practically invisible up there. He missed like 17 games and GS didnt miss a beat. He is the beneficiary of playing on a team with Curry and Thompson. He gets sooo many open looks, ones he would not get here. And SF is not our biggest weakness. If we dont get some post defense, we wont go anywhere. And Gordon is still our best perimeter defender, which are hard to find. We need another option at PF.

What do suggest? Draft or free agency?

has to be a mixture of both in my opinion. As much as i was a proponent of Elf, we need an upgrade at PG. If the draft provides that, great. If Hennigan thinks to go after say Conley and then look at PF in the draft, so be it. But we have got to augment our post defense somehow. And that also means they have to decide where Gordon stays, at PF or SF. I also think 1 of Dipo/Fournier needs to be moved.

[Patrick1978]

i want to build a team that does more than just compete for a playoff spot. That money for Noah is way too big, his playing days are almost done. He needs to be a 10-15 min backup and that is too much money for that. And Harrison Barnes, GSW wont match any big offer because he is practically invisible up there. He missed like 17 games and GS didnt miss a beat. He is the beneficiary of playing on a team with Curry and Thompson. He gets sooo many open looks, ones he would not get here. And SF is not our biggest weakness. If we dont get some post defense, we wont go anywhere. And Gordon is still our best perimeter defender, which are hard to find. We need another option at PF.

What do suggest? Draft or free agency?

has to be a mixture of both in my opinion. As much as i was a proponent of Elf, we need an upgrade at PG. If the draft provides that, great. If Hennigan thinks to go after say Conley and then look at PF in the draft, so be it. But we have got to augment our post defense somehow. And that also means they have to decide where Gordon stays, at PF or SF. I also think 1 of Dipo/Fournier needs to be moved.

There are a lot of pf s in the draft. I like brice johnson, ivan rabb, damian jones, henry ellenson, ben bentil

[Patrick1978]

i want to build a team that does more than just compete for a playoff spot. That money for Noah is way too big, his playing days are almost done. He needs to be a 10-15 min backup and that is too much money for that. And Harrison Barnes, GSW wont match any big offer because he is practically invisible up there. He missed like 17 games and GS didnt miss a beat. He is the beneficiary of playing on a team with Curry and Thompson. He gets sooo many open looks, ones he would not get here. And SF is not our biggest weakness. If we dont get some post defense, we wont go anywhere. And Gordon is still our best perimeter defender, which are hard to find. We need another option at PF.

What do suggest? Draft or free agency?

has to be a mixture of both in my opinion. As much as i was a proponent of Elf, we need an upgrade at PG. If the draft provides that, great. If Hennigan thinks to go after say Conley and then look at PF in the draft, so be it. But we have got to augment our post defense somehow. And that also means they have to decide where Gordon stays, at PF or SF. I also think 1 of Dipo/Fournier needs to be moved.

There are a lot of pf s in the draft. I like brice johnson, ivan rabb, damian jones, henry ellenson, ben bentil

[Def Swami]

So which teams are our biggest competition for free agents this year? I think Boston can out-do us on almost every front. Feel like they're more likely to end up with 2 of Conley, Horford, and Barnes. The appeal of playing for an established playoff team full of young players and a coach who seems to get the most out of his team. And there's the lore of playing for a historically great franchise. Feel like that sounds more appealing to free agents than our pitch.


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[Def Swami]

Starting to hit me how real a possibility it is for Conley to leave the Grizzlies. Gasol is out the season with a broken foot and will only continue to age. Randolph has already declined. The rest of the team is lackluster with no future in sight. The Grizzlies are kinda just drifting in mediocrity. There are several teams in the East that Conley could join that would offer a brighter next 5 years for him, mostly the Celtics and us. The Knicks should go after him, but I just don't see the fit unless they get Horford or Barnes to join as well. After KD, I think he's the biggest fish on the market this off-season. Always loved his game and his 2015 playoff performance with the broken face is unforgettable for me. Would fit our culture well and provide much needed veteran leadership.

[Def Swami]

Another thing to consider, 2 years ago we offered Afflalo and a pick for Harrison Barnes.
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