Welcome Okafor: Thread 2

[76ciology]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y33h_aUeYVI[/youtube]
21pts 6rebs 1blk. Pretty much shows the complete offensive arsenal, post/dribble iso/fastbreak/jumper/stepback jumper. 104DRTG. Continued to defend PFs but is now leaking out to punish cross matches. Did a poor job boxing out in the 2nd half IMO, but continued to do well in defensive rotations and shows no problem translating to defending PFs.

[76ciology]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/pjeffersonlim/status/703440305761026049[/tweet]

Jah did a good job rotating and challenging shots. He challenged 25 shots. Almost twice his average volume.

[76ciology]

NBA DEFENSE nowadays: funnel everything to the bigs or outscore opponent by shooting 3s.

SiXERS w/Jah@C: funnel everything to Jah. Jah outscoring opponents 3pt shooting (we're one of the worst in defending 3s)

Sixers w/Jah@PF: funnel to Noel. Either shoot 3s or rely iso Jah.

[lotto29]

I'm ready to let Jah go. For good. His isolation is killing me. Bon voyage in the summer, Okafor.

[F-Stop]

I'm ready to let Jah go. For good. His isolation is killing me. Bon voyage in the summer, Okafor.

Why would you be so ready to bail on a 20yr old basketball who playing with almost no NBA talent around him..
8 possibly 9 guys won't be on the team this time next year so besides himself there are no real offensive threats and no one to form chemistry with.

[lotto29]

I'm ready to let Jah go. For good. His isolation is killing me. Bon voyage in the summer, Okafor.

Why would you be so ready to bail on a 20yr old basketball who playing with almost no NBA talent around him..
8 possibly 9 guys won't be on the team this time next year so besides himself there are no real offensive threats and no one to form chemistry with.

Because he doesn't fit with us. Because it's trying to make things worse rather than better. Because he doesn't give an effort. Because there is better solutions. Because it's better for him and for us.
He doesn't pass, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't defend. He only scores, mostly in isolation. He doesn't move if he doesn't have the ball. He's checked out. He's playing only for him. He doesn't want to be here.

All those things are reasons for why I don't want him here. He's a talented player on offense. He most likely will be a good/great player. But not here. We're not making the situation easier for him and he for us. So let's cut ties and move on. Better for him and better for us.

[F-Stop]

Because he doesn't fit with us. Because it's trying to make things worse rather than better. Because he doesn't give an effort. Because there is better solutions. Because it's better for him and for us.
He doesn't pass, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't defend. He only scores, mostly in isolation. He doesn't move if he doesn't have the ball. He's checked out. He's playing only for him. He doesn't want to be here.

All those things are reasons for why I don't want him here. He's a talented player on offense. He most likely will be a good/great player. But not here. We're not making the situation easier for him and he for us. So let's cut ties and move on. Better for him and better for us.

I see your points and I get them. The best defense for some of your points are
1- he is still a young rookie learning the game on a team with no teachers
2- who is he gonna pass it too and what are they gonna do with it? Most of these guys can't shoot, dribble or pass on an NBA level.
3- 7 rebounds a game come across average but he has a high workload something will suffer throughout the season.
4- Rookie Wall this year he has probably played in more competitive basketball games this season than he has in the previous 5 years combined. I'm sure he is mentally stressed as well as physically.

[phifans]

I'm ready to let Jah go. For good. His isolation is killing me. Bon voyage in the summer, Okafor.

Why would you be so ready to bail on a 20yr old basketball who playing with almost no NBA talent around him..
8 possibly 9 guys won't be on the team this time next year so besides himself there are no real offensive threats and no one to form chemistry with.

Because he doesn't fit with us. Because it's trying to make things worse rather than better. Because he doesn't give an effort. Because there is better solutions. Because it's better for him and for us.
He doesn't pass, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't defend. He only scores, mostly in isolation. He doesn't move if he doesn't have the ball. He's checked out. He's playing only for him. He doesn't want to be here.

All those things are reasons for why I don't want him here. He's a talented player on offense. He most likely will be a good/great player. But not here. We're not making the situation easier for him and he for us. So let's cut ties and move on. Better for him and better for us.

Players who can score , defense , rebound and pass don't born on the tree. And no one can do it in their rookie season even Lebron can't do that. If you don't have that patience to give our best prospects time to improve then you'd better go out and choose a team like Warriors to support. Since we may don't have that kind of player you asked in a few years.

[lotto29]

Why would you be so ready to bail on a 20yr old basketball who playing with almost no NBA talent around him..
8 possibly 9 guys won't be on the team this time next year so besides himself there are no real offensive threats and no one to form chemistry with.

Because he doesn't fit with us. Because it's trying to make things worse rather than better. Because he doesn't give an effort. Because there is better solutions. Because it's better for him and for us.
He doesn't pass, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't defend. He only scores, mostly in isolation. He doesn't move if he doesn't have the ball. He's checked out. He's playing only for him. He doesn't want to be here.

All those things are reasons for why I don't want him here. He's a talented player on offense. He most likely will be a good/great player. But not here. We're not making the situation easier for him and he for us. So let's cut ties and move on. Better for him and better for us.

Players who can score , defense , rebound and pass don't born on the tree. And no one can do it in their rookie season even Lebron can't do that. If you don't have that patience to give our best prospects time to improve then you'd better go out and choose a team like Warriors to support. Since we may don't have that kind of player you asked in a few years.

No, they aren't born on trees but players worth rebuilding around either try hard or are average at least at two of those things. Jah only does one thing worth of mention, scoring in isolation.

[CoreyGallagher]

Ignoring the conversation going on, doing some statistical splits.

With Ish, on 187 fga, Okafor is shooting 59.8% overall.
73.4% within 3 feet, 62.5% from 3-9 feet, 52.3% from 10-15 feet, 27.2% from 16+ feet.
15.0 TOV%.

With Ish AND Noel, on 121 fga, Okafor is shooting 63.6% overall.
72.2% within 3 feet, 76.9% from 3-9 feet, 53.1% from 10-15 feet, 28.6% from 16+ feet.
11.8 TOV%.

Okafor is actually scoring better and taking care of the ball more with Noel on the court, lack of spacing doesn't seem to affect him. He seems to just need an PG capable of making the necessary passes to him.

[youngcrev]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y33h_aUeYVI[/youtube]
21pts 6rebs 1blk. Pretty much shows the complete offensive arsenal, post/dribble iso/fastbreak/jumper/stepback jumper. 104DRTG. Continued to defend PFs but is now leaking out to punish cross matches. Did a poor job boxing out in the 2nd half IMO, but continued to do well in defensive rotations and shows no problem translating to defending PFs.

Thought that was a great adjustment.

[phifans]

Because he doesn't fit with us. Because it's trying to make things worse rather than better. Because he doesn't give an effort. Because there is better solutions. Because it's better for him and for us.
He doesn't pass, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't defend. He only scores, mostly in isolation. He doesn't move if he doesn't have the ball. He's checked out. He's playing only for him. He doesn't want to be here.

All those things are reasons for why I don't want him here. He's a talented player on offense. He most likely will be a good/great player. But not here. We're not making the situation easier for him and he for us. So let's cut ties and move on. Better for him and better for us.

Players who can score , defense , rebound and pass don't born on the tree. And no one can do it in their rookie season even Lebron can't do that. If you don't have that patience to give our best prospects time to improve then you'd better go out and choose a team like Warriors to support. Since we may don't have that kind of player you asked in a few years.

No, they aren't born on trees but players worth rebuilding around either try hard or are average at least at two of those things. Jah only does one thing worth of mention, scoring in isolation.

But he's doing it so well as a rookie and could very well be the best one on this when all is said and done.And he's an ok passer and a better defender than people credit him for. The only aspect he really struggle and hasn't improve much since the season started is rebound. I'll give you that.
BTW most of his teammates literally can do nothing so I think you should concern how to replace those guys around him with someone who can " defend , pass and rebound" before get rid of Okafor who at least can score efficiently.

[lotto29]

Players who can score , defense , rebound and pass don't born on the tree. And no one can do it in their rookie season even Lebron can't do that. If you don't have that patience to give our best prospects time to improve then you'd better go out and choose a team like Warriors to support. Since we may don't have that kind of player you asked in a few years.

No, they aren't born on trees but players worth rebuilding around either try hard or are average at least at two of those things. Jah only does one thing worth of mention, scoring in isolation.

But he's doing it so well as a rookie and could very well be the best one on this when all is said and done.And he's an ok passer and a better defender than people credit him for. The only aspect he really struggle and hasn't improve much since the season started is rebound. I'll give you that.
BTW most of his teammates literally can do nothing so I think you should concern how to replace those guys around him with someone who can " defend , pass and rebound" before get rid of Okafor who at least can score efficiently.

He's a good passer but not a willing one(which is more important) . He's a bad, bad, bad, bad defender and rebounder. He's a good scorer and that's it. His teammates perform better without him this year and specially last season. It's his teammates fault as much it's his if not more. He has a lot of talent but he's settling in. He doesn't fit with what the team wants to do. He isn't even trying to. We have better options that fit what we do. For all his talent when scoring the ball, all the other deficiencies mitigate a lot his impact.
He clearly wants to be elsewhere. He checks out when he doesn't have the ball. He doesn't want to embrace what was the spirit of the team and he infects others at time. For all of this, I think there is better fish in the ocean.

[Ericb5]

Players who can score , defense , rebound and pass don't born on the tree. And no one can do it in their rookie season even Lebron can't do that. If you don't have that patience to give our best prospects time to improve then you'd better go out and choose a team like Warriors to support. Since we may don't have that kind of player you asked in a few years.

No, they aren't born on trees but players worth rebuilding around either try hard or are average at least at two of those things. Jah only does one thing worth of mention, scoring in isolation.

But he's doing it so well as a rookie and could very well be the best one on this when all is said and done.And he's an ok passer and a better defender than people credit him for. The only aspect he really struggle and hasn't improve much since the season started is rebound. I'll give you that.
BTW most of his teammates literally can do nothing so I think you should concern how to replace those guys around him with someone who can " defend , pass and rebound" before get rid of Okafor who at least can score efficiently.

I think that the only thing that he is really poor at right now is rebounding. His defense is a work in progress, but he has been improving.

His passing I think is quite good actually. He isn't a facilitator, but he is good at passing out of double teams and that is all that he needs to be good at. He just doesn't have enough talent surrounding him.

I don't quite understand how people can't recognize how much he has improved since the beginning of his freshman year. He is in much better shape, with much better endurance, shooting free throws way better, and showing a face up game out to 15-18 feet.

It is plain as day that he is rapidly improving and adjusting his game. He is one of the best low post scorers in the league already and he just turned 20!


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[rzzzzz]

given his reaction in Boston, i got to wonder how much happier OK4 would be playing for a good team, and whether that would translate into more effort in the grunt work, as well overall hustle. i'm also curious about his response when he gets challenged by Embiid in one-on-one workouts this Spring.

[Ericb5]

given his reaction in Boston, i got to wonder how much happier OK4 would be playing for a good team, and whether that would translate into more effort in the grunt work, as well overall hustle. i'm also curious about his response when he gets challenged by Embiid in one-on-one workouts this Spring.

I can't wait to hear about his matchup with Embiid too. I figure we might only be a couple of months away from that.

I wonder if Okafor has EVER been physically dominated.


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[ET Da Gawd]

Jah is developing quite well in this rookie year of his

[lotto29]

Jah is developing quite well in this rookie year of his

Not so much

[76ciology]

Jah is developing quite well in this rookie year of his

Not so much

From a guy who is known most for his post offense and defender solely at C into a diverse scorer and can defend PFs.

Most of these rookies are adjusting their game from amateur basketball into the pace&space of the NBA. Most of these guys are negatives during their rookie year, because they aren't playing the "NBA way." It's just some people are tailor fit like KAT and KP. While some people doesn't want or can't evolve their game like Wiggins.

[lotto29]

Jah is developing quite well in this rookie year of his

Not so much

From a guy who is known most for his post offense and defender solely at C into a diverse scorer and can defend PFs.

Most of these rookies are adjusting their game from amateur basketball into the pace&space of the NBA. Most of these guys are negatives during their rookie year, because they aren't playing the "NBA way." It's just some people are tailor fit like KAT and KP. While some people doesn't want or can't evolve their game like Wiggins.

Jah had this faceup game in college. Turned into a diverse scorer? He's doing the same things he did but at a different volume. Defending PF's? He's tasked to do it, but he is doing as badly as at center. I see very little improvement from him, taking into account what he did in college.