Trade Discussion

[MrMiyagi]

I'm still not seeing the argument for Knight being a bad trade. Tyler Ennis, who has done less than Archie Goodwin had in his first 2 seasons, Miles Plumlee (remember Plumdog? we really missing him?) and a Lakers pick that won't be given up until 2018. Seriously, there is no way the Lakers aren't top 3 this season or next season. Even if they're the 9th seed in the West next season, that pick will find its way into the top 3.

Are we really wishing we could wait 2 years to draft a player who will be 2 years away from being a solid player in the NBA?

[saintEscaton]

I'm still not seeing the argument for Knight being a bad trade. Tyler Ennis, who has done less than Archie Goodwin had in his first 2 seasons, Miles Plumlee (remember Plumdog? we really missing him?) and a Lakers pick that won't be given up until 2018. Seriously, there is no way the Lakers aren't top 3 this season or next season. Even if they're the 9th seed in the West next season, that pick will find its way into the top 3.

Are we really wishing we could wait 2 years to draft a player who will be 2 years away from being a solid player in the NBA?

You do realize that any team that finishes with a Bottom 3 record is most likely to get the 4th/5th picks right? There's approximately a 44% chance that the Lakers pick falls out of the Top 3 and conveys to Philly this year so its basically a coin flip, if not this year than 2017 or it goes unprotected in 2018, in better draft clasess. If the lotto was really rigged in their favor they wouldn't have missed out on KAT to the small market T-Wolves

[bwgood77]

I'm still not seeing the argument for Knight being a bad trade. Tyler Ennis, who has done less than Archie Goodwin had in his first 2 seasons, Miles Plumlee (remember Plumdog? we really missing him?) and a Lakers pick that won't be given up until 2018. Seriously, there is no way the Lakers aren't top 3 this season or next season. Even if they're the 9th seed in the West next season, that pick will find its way into the top 3.

Are we really wishing we could wait 2 years to draft a player who will be 2 years away from being a solid player in the NBA?

I guess it just really comes down to how much people value Knight. The Lakers pick, even if it is conveyed this year would get you someone like Brown, Ellenson or Dunn, who all COULD be good, but might not be. But I have come to not like Knight's game from what I've seen so far. I hope he changes my mind. The problem is he definitely doesn't seem to be good point guard, and his shooting #s slowly got worse throughout the season, and while that has something to do with Bledsoe going down, overall I have not been impressed.

[jcsunsfan]

I'm still not seeing the argument for Knight being a bad trade. Tyler Ennis, who has done less than Archie Goodwin had in his first 2 seasons, Miles Plumlee (remember Plumdog? we really missing him?) and a Lakers pick that won't be given up until 2018. Seriously, there is no way the Lakers aren't top 3 this season or next season. Even if they're the 9th seed in the West next season, that pick will find its way into the top 3.

Are we really wishing we could wait 2 years to draft a player who will be 2 years away from being a solid player in the NBA?

I guess it just really comes down to how much people value Knight. The Lakers pick, even if it is conveyed this year would get you someone like Brown, Ellenson or Dunn, who all COULD be good, but might not be. But I have come to not like Knight's game from what I've seen so far. I hope he changes my mind. The problem is he definitely doesn't seem to be good point guard, and his shooting #s slowly got worse throughout the season, and while that has something to do with Bledsoe going down, overall I have not been impressed.

There was an article earlier that explained it perfectly. He has been coached for a number of years now to be a scorer without a conscience. That is a clear shooting guard. The article mentioned specifically how difficult it was for him to shift from being an unashamed scorer to a facilitator. That is why his play diminished so much once Bledsoe went down. He was being asked to be a pg, but his mentality was still as a sg. I don't know if the problem is with coaching these days, where players are coached to be such specialists, or if the Suns system is just flawed in not recognizing that guards need to be specialists--shooters without a conscience, or distributors.

The situation with Knight, is that he is caught in between. He has the skills to do both, but the mentality drilled into him for years is to be a shooter.

[saintEscaton]

He has the skills to do both, but the mentality drilled into him for years is to be a shooter.

I've watched him in Milwaukee where he was at least passably faking it as a PG,but I've seen nothing to indicate he's a capable of running an offense as the sole facilitator. He just suffers from a terminal case of tunnel vision and deeply ingrained habits die hard, thats why Kidd gave up on him after realizing that you can't fit a round peg in a square hole

[Frank Lee]

My biggest gripe on McDesparateToMakeaDeal was the dismantling of a team that was right on the brink of the playoffs. Sure, the common argument is that team over achieved and wasn't a contender blah blah blah... yet some subtle improvements/additions could have gone a long way. That was a team that gelled, that coveted chemistry. They deserved a second run. The city did too. Instead, McDoItMyWay, ransacking the roster, and put this team into a personnel shuffling tailspin. We are still recovering. At least it is such a mess that we now have the best chance at a #1 since the legendary Lew AlCoinflip.

I have always been supportive of getting to the playoffs. To slam on Sarver for wanting that makes no sense to me. That should be/is the first step of winning a title. Hard to see teams going from worst to first. Often, it is the team that was turned away once, twice that ends up with the crown. (see Golden State)

We have no where to go but up now. I guess that is the benefit for being at the bottom. Problem is, the collateral damage getting there has effected the fan base and, may be more damaging, the league wide player perceptions of this Front Office.

Frank...what EXACTLY did McD 'dismantle' between the 48-34 season Suns, and the 39-43 season Suns? Between April 2014 to October 2014, the off-season... Oh yeah, he made "some subtle improvements/additions could have gone a long way" in acquiring IT. That was it.

Frye signed a crazy, unrealistic deal with the Magic, seen by most as being one of the worst contracts in the NBA, so no, McD didn't 'dismantle' anything between those two seasons. The dismantling didn't come until 'Cry-Baby' Dragic couldn't handle the fact that IT was on the team...he couldn't WAIT a couple of weeks for IT to be traded...Dragic and Kieff and CusMo dismantled that team, Frank, NOT McD. McD got caught having to react because a grown man couldn't handle the fact that his play was declining, and thus was reaching, grasping at any excuse he could for why he was declining. But that was at the trade deadline, Frank, not between seasons. Between seasons, McD did exactly what you are suggesting, keeping the core together, and making "subtle improvements"; so who you should REALLY be upset with is Dragic/Kieff, not McD.

You might want to re-think your 'revisionist' take on the ACTUAL history. I'm glad I was able to help clear that up for you...

Gee thanks Nav... should have said 'miscalculated with his following maneuvers' ... does that make it better? You have to admit, it was (Is?) difficult to keep up with this revolving door roster. Either way, we have been labeled dysfunctional since then. Don't you miss the Hydra?


And a 'mulligan' ? Come on Ryan? really ? If trading IT was his #1, wonder what his #2, #3, and #4 were. It took more than one blunder to get where we are. I'd almost bet he meant acquiring IT was #1.

[bwgood77]

I'm still not seeing the argument for Knight being a bad trade. Tyler Ennis, who has done less than Archie Goodwin had in his first 2 seasons, Miles Plumlee (remember Plumdog? we really missing him?) and a Lakers pick that won't be given up until 2018. Seriously, there is no way the Lakers aren't top 3 this season or next season. Even if they're the 9th seed in the West next season, that pick will find its way into the top 3.

Are we really wishing we could wait 2 years to draft a player who will be 2 years away from being a solid player in the NBA?

I guess it just really comes down to how much people value Knight. The Lakers pick, even if it is conveyed this year would get you someone like Brown, Ellenson or Dunn, who all COULD be good, but might not be. But I have come to not like Knight's game from what I've seen so far. I hope he changes my mind. The problem is he definitely doesn't seem to be good point guard, and his shooting #s slowly got worse throughout the season, and while that has something to do with Bledsoe going down, overall I have not been impressed.

There was an article earlier that explained it perfectly. He has been coached for a number of years now to be a scorer without a conscience. That is a clear shooting guard. The article mentioned specifically how difficult it was for him to shift from being an unashamed scorer to a facilitator. That is why his play diminished so much once Bledsoe went down. He was being asked to be a pg, but his mentality was still as a sg. I don't know if the problem is with coaching these days, where players are coached to be such specialists, or if the Suns system is just flawed in not recognizing that guards need to be specialists--shooters without a conscience, or distributors.

The situation with Knight, is that he is caught in between. He has the skills to do both, but the mentality drilled into him for years is to be a shooter.

I think the thing Knight most needs to do is study analytics, and learn to make quick decisions. There is a really good article about Stephen Curry in the latest ESPN magazine (I somehow got that and insider gifted for free from ESPN this year) but I'm sure you can find that Curry article on espn.com somewhere...some of it is really fascinating, talking about the history, his training, how fast he picks up things, etc....but I got off track there....

The article mentioned that no one on the Warriors is allowed to hold the ball for more than like 3 seconds except Curry. I REALLY think a coach with THIS sort of philosophy needs to come in and bench people if it isn't happening. I know Hornacek preached ball movement, but of course we have all players who grew up being iso guys so it's tough to change mentality.

But I think the article also mentioned that Curry is allowed to hold onto the ball for longer but it is not preferred he hold onto it for too long.

Every player on the team is going to be happier when the ball is whipping around to everyone until someone gets a wide open shot...everyone will be far more vested. We don't really have the right players for this.

I think for this purpose, Simmons would be great to have....I just REALLY wish he could shoot as well....but if he can rebound and facilitate, as long as our guards don't turn it into ISO stuff, then it would be nice.

I haven't watched Ingram much, so I hope he's not a big iso guy if that is who we end up with (though I can't complain much if we end up with him).

[bwgood77]

My biggest gripe on McDesparateToMakeaDeal was the dismantling of a team that was right on the brink of the playoffs. Sure, the common argument is that team over achieved and wasn't a contender blah blah blah... yet some subtle improvements/additions could have gone a long way. That was a team that gelled, that coveted chemistry. They deserved a second run. The city did too. Instead, McDoItMyWay, ransacking the roster, and put this team into a personnel shuffling tailspin. We are still recovering. At least it is such a mess that we now have the best chance at a #1 since the legendary Lew AlCoinflip.

I have always been supportive of getting to the playoffs. To slam on Sarver for wanting that makes no sense to me. That should be/is the first step of winning a title. Hard to see teams going from worst to first. Often, it is the team that was turned away once, twice that ends up with the crown. (see Golden State)

We have no where to go but up now. I guess that is the benefit for being at the bottom. Problem is, the collateral damage getting there has effected the fan base and, may be more damaging, the league wide player perceptions of this Front Office.

Frank...what EXACTLY did McD 'dismantle' between the 48-34 season Suns, and the 39-43 season Suns? Between April 2014 to October 2014, the off-season... Oh yeah, he made "some subtle improvements/additions could have gone a long way" in acquiring IT. That was it.

Frye signed a crazy, unrealistic deal with the Magic, seen by most as being one of the worst contracts in the NBA, so no, McD didn't 'dismantle' anything between those two seasons. The dismantling didn't come until 'Cry-Baby' Dragic couldn't handle the fact that IT was on the team...he couldn't WAIT a couple of weeks for IT to be traded...Dragic and Kieff and CusMo dismantled that team, Frank, NOT McD. McD got caught having to react because a grown man couldn't handle the fact that his play was declining, and thus was reaching, grasping at any excuse he could for why he was declining. But that was at the trade deadline, Frank, not between seasons. Between seasons, McD did exactly what you are suggesting, keeping the core together, and making "subtle improvements"; so who you should REALLY be upset with is Dragic/Kieff, not McD.

You might want to re-think your 'revisionist' take on the ACTUAL history. I'm glad I was able to help clear that up for you...

Gee thanks Nav... should have said 'miscalculated with his following maneuvers' ... does that make it better? You have to admit, it was (Is?) difficult to keep up with this revolving door roster. Either way, we have been labeled dysfunctional since then. Don't you miss the Hydra?


And a 'mulligan' ? Come on Ryan? really ? If trading IT was his #1, wonder what his #2, #3, and #4 were. It took more than one blunder to get where we are. I'd almost bet he meant acquiring IT was #1.

Well it's the only mulligan he can admit too since most of the rest of the mulligans are still on the team.

Here is a comparison I bet you'd love to look at Frank. http://bkref.com/tiny/oZfBg

[kennydorglas]

I guess it just really comes down to how much people value Knight. The Lakers pick, even if it is conveyed this year would get you someone like Brown, Ellenson or Dunn, who all COULD be good, but might not be. But I have come to not like Knight's game from what I've seen so far. I hope he changes my mind. The problem is he definitely doesn't seem to be good point guard, and his shooting #s slowly got worse throughout the season, and while that has something to do with Bledsoe going down, overall I have not been impressed.

There was an article earlier that explained it perfectly. He has been coached for a number of years now to be a scorer without a conscience. That is a clear shooting guard. The article mentioned specifically how difficult it was for him to shift from being an unashamed scorer to a facilitator. That is why his play diminished so much once Bledsoe went down. He was being asked to be a pg, but his mentality was still as a sg. I don't know if the problem is with coaching these days, where players are coached to be such specialists, or if the Suns system is just flawed in not recognizing that guards need to be specialists--shooters without a conscience, or distributors.

The situation with Knight, is that he is caught in between. He has the skills to do both, but the mentality drilled into him for years is to be a shooter.

I think the thing Knight most needs to do is study analytics, and learn to make quick decisions. There is a really good article about Stephen Curry in the latest ESPN magazine (I somehow got that and insider gifted for free from ESPN this year) but I'm sure you can find that Curry article on espn.com somewhere...some of it is really fascinating, talking about the history, his training, how fast he picks up things, etc....but I got off track there....

The article mentioned that no one on the Warriors is allowed to hold the ball for more than like 3 seconds except Curry. I REALLY think a coach with THIS sort of philosophy needs to come in and bench people if it isn't happening. I know Hornacek preached ball movement, but of course we have all players who grew up being iso guys so it's tough to change mentality.

But I think the article also mentioned that Curry is allowed to hold onto the ball for longer but it is not preferred he hold onto it for too long.

Every player on the team is going to be happier when the ball is whipping around to everyone until someone gets a wide open shot...everyone will be far more vested. We don't really have the right players for this.

I think for this purpose, Simmons would be great to have....I just REALLY with he could shoot as well....but if he can rebound and facilitate, as long as our guards don't turn it into ISO stuff, then it would be nice.

I haven't watched Ingram much, so I hope he's not a big iso guy if that is who we end up with (though I can't complain much if we end up with him).

ingram likes to score on 1x1, especially when duke is in trouble and he needs to take over the game.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I guess it just really comes down to how much people value Knight. The Lakers pick, even if it is conveyed this year would get you someone like Brown, Ellenson or Dunn, who all COULD be good, but might not be. But I have come to not like Knight's game from what I've seen so far. I hope he changes my mind. The problem is he definitely doesn't seem to be good point guard, and his shooting #s slowly got worse throughout the season, and while that has something to do with Bledsoe going down, overall I have not been impressed.

There was an article earlier that explained it perfectly. He has been coached for a number of years now to be a scorer without a conscience. That is a clear shooting guard. The article mentioned specifically how difficult it was for him to shift from being an unashamed scorer to a facilitator. That is why his play diminished so much once Bledsoe went down. He was being asked to be a pg, but his mentality was still as a sg. I don't know if the problem is with coaching these days, where players are coached to be such specialists, or if the Suns system is just flawed in not recognizing that guards need to be specialists--shooters without a conscience, or distributors.

The situation with Knight, is that he is caught in between. He has the skills to do both, but the mentality drilled into him for years is to be a shooter.

I think the thing Knight most needs to do is study analytics, and learn to make quick decisions. There is a really good article about Stephen Curry in the latest ESPN magazine (I somehow got that and insider gifted for free from ESPN this year) but I'm sure you can find that Curry article on espn.com somewhere...some of it is really fascinating, talking about the history, his training, how fast he picks up things, etc....but I got off track there....

The article mentioned that no one on the Warriors is allowed to hold the ball for more than like 3 seconds except Curry. I REALLY think a coach with THIS sort of philosophy needs to come in and bench people if it isn't happening. I know Hornacek preached ball movement, but of course we have all players who grew up being iso guys so it's tough to change mentality.

But I think the article also mentioned that Curry is allowed to hold onto the ball for longer but it is not preferred he hold onto it for too long.

Every player on the team is going to be happier when the ball is whipping around to everyone until someone gets a wide open shot...everyone will be far more vested. We don't really have the right players for this.

This is a great post.

My biggest complaint about the current roster is that it doesn't have that primary ball-handler, which is a guy who can be counted on to keep the ball without turning it over. Neither Bledsoe or Knight has shown the ability to control the offense. Not all teams run things that way, but yeah, a true facilitator would be great.

I think for this purpose, Simmons would be great to have....I just REALLY wish he could shoot as well....but if he can rebound and facilitate, as long as our guards don't turn it into ISO stuff, then it would be nice.

Yeah, Simmons would fit like a glove. I'm not really worried about the shooting.

[saintEscaton]

There was an article earlier that explained it perfectly. He has been coached for a number of years now to be a scorer without a conscience. That is a clear shooting guard. The article mentioned specifically how difficult it was for him to shift from being an unashamed scorer to a facilitator. That is why his play diminished so much once Bledsoe went down. He was being asked to be a pg, but his mentality was still as a sg. I don't know if the problem is with coaching these days, where players are coached to be such specialists, or if the Suns system is just flawed in not recognizing that guards need to be specialists--shooters without a conscience, or distributors.

The situation with Knight, is that he is caught in between. He has the skills to do both, but the mentality drilled into him for years is to be a shooter.

I think the thing Knight most needs to do is study analytics, and learn to make quick decisions. There is a really good article about Stephen Curry in the latest ESPN magazine (I somehow got that and insider gifted for free from ESPN this year) but I'm sure you can find that Curry article on espn.com somewhere...some of it is really fascinating, talking about the history, his training, how fast he picks up things, etc....but I got off track there....

The article mentioned that no one on the Warriors is allowed to hold the ball for more than like 3 seconds except Curry. I REALLY think a coach with THIS sort of philosophy needs to come in and bench people if it isn't happening. I know Hornacek preached ball movement, but of course we have all players who grew up being iso guys so it's tough to change mentality.

But I think the article also mentioned that Curry is allowed to hold onto the ball for longer but it is not preferred he hold onto it for too long.

Every player on the team is going to be happier when the ball is whipping around to everyone until someone gets a wide open shot...everyone will be far more vested. We don't really have the right players for this.

I think for this purpose, Simmons would be great to have....I just REALLY with he could shoot as well....but if he can rebound and facilitate, as long as our guards don't turn it into ISO stuff, then it would be nice.

I haven't watched Ingram much, so I hope he's not a big iso guy if that is who we end up with (though I can't complain much if we end up with him).

ingram likes to score on 1x1, especially when duke is in trouble and he needs to take over the game.

ISoing is not necessarily a bad thing as long as you can play within the flow of the offense and not be blackhole, it can help you get out of an expiring clock jam when a designated play has collapsed , the ability to create your own shot is what separates the elite one on one players from those who require being set up. A team like us without a go to scorer requires more ball movement and less over dribbling/improvisation on the fly , everything must be methodically orchestrated. But if you have on of those guys its fine if their points come unassisted, just dump it off and let them go to work.

[AtheJ415]

There was an article earlier that explained it perfectly. He has been coached for a number of years now to be a scorer without a conscience. That is a clear shooting guard. The article mentioned specifically how difficult it was for him to shift from being an unashamed scorer to a facilitator. That is why his play diminished so much once Bledsoe went down. He was being asked to be a pg, but his mentality was still as a sg. I don't know if the problem is with coaching these days, where players are coached to be such specialists, or if the Suns system is just flawed in not recognizing that guards need to be specialists--shooters without a conscience, or distributors.

The situation with Knight, is that he is caught in between. He has the skills to do both, but the mentality drilled into him for years is to be a shooter.

I think the thing Knight most needs to do is study analytics, and learn to make quick decisions. There is a really good article about Stephen Curry in the latest ESPN magazine (I somehow got that and insider gifted for free from ESPN this year) but I'm sure you can find that Curry article on espn.com somewhere...some of it is really fascinating, talking about the history, his training, how fast he picks up things, etc....but I got off track there....

The article mentioned that no one on the Warriors is allowed to hold the ball for more than like 3 seconds except Curry. I REALLY think a coach with THIS sort of philosophy needs to come in and bench people if it isn't happening. I know Hornacek preached ball movement, but of course we have all players who grew up being iso guys so it's tough to change mentality.

But I think the article also mentioned that Curry is allowed to hold onto the ball for longer but it is not preferred he hold onto it for too long.

Every player on the team is going to be happier when the ball is whipping around to everyone until someone gets a wide open shot...everyone will be far more vested. We don't really have the right players for this.

This is a great post.

My biggest complaint about the current roster is that it doesn't have that primary ball-handler, which is a guy who can be counted on to keep the ball without turning it over. Neither Bledsoe or Knight has shown the ability to control the offense. Not all teams run things that way, but yeah, a true facilitator would be great.

I think for this purpose, Simmons would be great to have....I just REALLY wish he could shoot as well....but if he can rebound and facilitate, as long as our guards don't turn it into ISO stuff, then it would be nice.

Yeah, Simmons would fit like a glove. I'm not really worried about the shooting.

I think we'll have better ball movement with a new, real head coach. Hornacek preached ball movement, and yet never got assists with any of the many guards we had, and many of those have no problem getting assists elsewhere. Our system was designed to put pressure on the other team through slashing to the hoop, primarily off of pick and rolls, and so while Hornacek preached ball movement, his system was ill-designed for it.

I do expect with Jeff gone that we'll go with a more traditional lineup by moving one of the PGs and starting Booker. We'll see. The coaching hire will be very interesting. Either way, I expect less, "here, take your turn" pick and roll repeats.

But if we're still rolling out a starting lineup with Tucker and Chandler in there, it'll be hard to play offense no matter the system. You can't have 2 orange cones out there and expect Bledsoe, Knight, Booker, or whoever the other 3 are to be able to score or create efficiently. My #1 priority aside from the draft would be to move Chandler and Tucker to more win-now ready teams and use the savings in FA for young guys we can continue to develop.

[bwgood77]

I think the thing Knight most needs to do is study analytics, and learn to make quick decisions. There is a really good article about Stephen Curry in the latest ESPN magazine (I somehow got that and insider gifted for free from ESPN this year) but I'm sure you can find that Curry article on espn.com somewhere...some of it is really fascinating, talking about the history, his training, how fast he picks up things, etc....but I got off track there....

The article mentioned that no one on the Warriors is allowed to hold the ball for more than like 3 seconds except Curry. I REALLY think a coach with THIS sort of philosophy needs to come in and bench people if it isn't happening. I know Hornacek preached ball movement, but of course we have all players who grew up being iso guys so it's tough to change mentality.

But I think the article also mentioned that Curry is allowed to hold onto the ball for longer but it is not preferred he hold onto it for too long.

Every player on the team is going to be happier when the ball is whipping around to everyone until someone gets a wide open shot...everyone will be far more vested. We don't really have the right players for this.

I think for this purpose, Simmons would be great to have....I just REALLY with he could shoot as well....but if he can rebound and facilitate, as long as our guards don't turn it into ISO stuff, then it would be nice.

I haven't watched Ingram much, so I hope he's not a big iso guy if that is who we end up with (though I can't complain much if we end up with him).

ingram likes to score on 1x1, especially when duke is in trouble and he needs to take over the game.

ISoing is not necessarily a bad thing as long as you can play within the flow of the offense and not be blackhole, it can help you get out of an expiring clock jam when a designated play has collapsed , the ability to create your own shot is what separates the elite one on one players from those who require being set up. A team like us without a go to scorer requires more ball movement and less over dribbling/improvisation on the fly , everything must be methodically orchestrated. But if you have on of those guys its fine if their points come unassisted, just dump it off and let them go to work.

C'mon, I know iso'ing is a great skill when needed, but Knight and even Bledsoe were starting to do it and not involving anyone else, as if they were in a personal competition. Iso skills are great to have when needed, but Knight and sometimes Bledsoe especially after a big game by Knight, became iso players as first options. As last options, that is great. Markieff was a guy to throw it to if the shot clock was winding down and you needed something. I'm just saying the two guys we have who handle the ball the most cannot be iso first guys and need to move the ball as much as possible. Both Knight and Bledsoe seem very iso first oriented right now. I think Bledsoe has started to get more pass oriented, but after a big game from Knight, he seemed to throw that away for individual purposes.

[Fo-Real]

With the word that several teams will chase Melo in the offseason, us having yet another extra 1st round pick, and an extra pg and contract (knight), an extra contract able to be waived for nothing (Hump), and a couple of young guys who could be expendable (Warren and Archie), mean that one of those teams could be us? At most pick wise as throwin that would include just the Wiz pick, Melo is elite but old and makes too much.

[Frank Lee]

I think we'll have better ball movement with a new, real head coach. Hornacek preached ball movement, and yet never got assists with any of the many guards we had, and many of those have no problem getting assists elsewhere. .......

Elsewhere ? Many guards ? Not sure this falls on Horny. Do systems matter so much to effect guard production stats? Like assists, turnovers, pts, fga's, even fg%s (etc) ??? This could be an advanced advance stat. Please elaborate.

[Mulhollanddrive]

The way McDonough talks about getting Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett after finishing 2nd last, he's still thinking opportunity with the disgruntled superstar, whether it be Griffin, Anthony, Love, Cousins etc... It would be the best thing for him to get some sort of result in year 4.

[Bogyo]

The way McDonough talks about getting Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett after finishing 2nd last, he's still thinking opportunity with the disgruntled superstar, whether it be Griffin, Anthony, Love, Cousins etc... It would be the best thing for him to get some sort of result in year 4.

I guess more GMs are aiming for that type of thing with "asset hoarding", so u got to be real lucky to get one of those, becouse in these cases the disgruntledstar would have to agree to re-signing with the new team, and actually force his way to it somewhat, so his new teams roster would not be totally depleted once he gets there. As we are not a great FA destination lately, McD has his work cut out for him (especially since he is one of the reasons why we are not a prime FA destination anymore), if he is really planning on this route.

Unless getting one star player and getting back on the treadmill (5th-9th place in the west, with no real chance of making the finals) is the "result" we want to see. Wheter McD wants to see that, and keep his job by selling that to the casual fans and the media ("we are one-two pieces away, etc..."), or Sarver wants to see that for more revenue is a totally different question.
We'll see soon enough, and this process might just be more intresting than our remaining games.

[Bogyo]

With the word that several teams will chase Melo in the offseason, us having yet another extra 1st round pick, and an extra pg and contract (knight), an extra contract able to be waived for nothing (Hump), and a couple of young guys who could be expendable (Warren and Archie), mean that one of those teams could be us? At most pick wise as throwin that would include just the Wiz pick, Melo is elite but old and makes too much.

Hope not, but I'm not sure McD is not trying. Although I doubt that Melo would come here, and I ve read somewhere that Ainge was having a conversation about it, and he has his warchest stuffed a lot more than we do.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

With the word that several teams will chase Melo in the offseason, us having yet another extra 1st round pick, and an extra pg and contract (knight), an extra contract able to be waived for nothing (Hump), and a couple of young guys who could be expendable (Warren and Archie), mean that one of those teams could be us? At most pick wise as throwin that would include just the Wiz pick, Melo is elite but old and makes too much.

Hope not, but I'm not sure McD is not trying. Although I doubt that Melo would come here, and I ve read somewhere that Ainge was having a conversation about it, and he has his warchest stuffed a lot more than we do.

Melo + MIA '18 to LAC, Griffin to Phoenix, Knight and #12 to NYK?

[AtheJ415]

I think we'll have better ball movement with a new, real head coach. Hornacek preached ball movement, and yet never got assists with any of the many guards we had, and many of those have no problem getting assists elsewhere. .......

Elsewhere ? Many guards ? Not sure this falls on Horny. Do systems matter so much to effect guard production stats? Like assists, turnovers, pts, fga's, even fg%s (etc) ??? This could be an advanced advance stat. Please elaborate.

Nope. Look it up yourself Frank.