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Post#301 » by FlagsFlyForever » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:48 am

Milbuck wrote:What are your guys' expectations for him next year? Where do want him to be to be satisfied with his development?

Next year won't be the final product so I just want to see continued all-around improvement and I will be satisfied. I will be particularly interested in the development of his jump shot. Of NBA players with 200 field goal attempts from beyond 10 feet this season (166 players), Giannis ranks dead last in the NBA with a .281 FG%. He'll never be a great shooter, but even an average jump shot where defenders can't completely sag off him would open so much up.
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Post#302 » by Prez » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:34 am

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Milbuck wrote:What are your guys' expectations for him next year? Where do want him to be to be satisfied with his development?

Next year won't be the final product so I just want to see continued all-around improvement and I will be satisfied. I will be particularly interested in the development of his jump shot. Of NBA players with 200 field goal attempts from beyond 10 feet this season (166 players), Giannis ranks dead last in the NBA with a .281 FG%. He'll never be a great shooter, but even an average jump shot where defenders can't completely sag off him would open so much up.

I'm pretty optimistic he can be a good shooter. Not a great or elite one, but a good shooter. His midrange game was coming along nicely towards the end of last season, he's just completely all over the place with his confidence this year and it's really messing with his shot, I think he's a better shooter than he's looked like this year. If he's serious with the 1500 jumpers a day in the offseason stuff, I really think he comes into next season with a legit midrange game. That alone probably adds 4-5 points a night, not just by the jumpers themselves but also the extra buckets he'll get by having defenders closer to him.
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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#303 » by Nightfall » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:05 pm

Milbuck wrote:What are your guys' expectations for him next year? Where do want him to be to be satisfied with his development?


I would like him to have : 9 Rebs , 4.5 assists, 1.5 steal and 1.5 block, reduce PFs and increase mid range FG%.

As for the points it is quite difficult when you have 3 players who can do the scoring heavy load (Giannis, Jab, Khris) .

And as I prefer to see a team performing as whole it woudl be great to see Giannis + Khris + Jab having 60-65 pts average with the vast majority of FGA, and each of them have some highlight days with 30++ points
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Post#304 » by Presence » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:01 pm

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Milbuck wrote:What are your guys' expectations for him next year? Where do want him to be to be satisfied with his development?

Next year won't be the final product so I just want to see continued all-around improvement and I will be satisfied. I will be particularly interested in the development of his jump shot. Of NBA players with 200 field goal attempts from beyond 10 feet this season (166 players), Giannis ranks dead last in the NBA with a .281 FG%. He'll never be a great shooter, but even an average jump shot where defenders can't completely sag off him would open so much up.


Not that I don't agree that his jumper looks bad, but in all honesty his shooting split is ok if you don't account for his biggest weakness (above the break threes).

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Post#305 » by MiltownHawkeye » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:53 pm

Looks like we should be designing more plays to get him corner 3s.
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Post#306 » by emunney » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:02 pm

Presence wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:
Milbuck wrote:What are your guys' expectations for him next year? Where do want him to be to be satisfied with his development?

Next year won't be the final product so I just want to see continued all-around improvement and I will be satisfied. I will be particularly interested in the development of his jump shot. Of NBA players with 200 field goal attempts from beyond 10 feet this season (166 players), Giannis ranks dead last in the NBA with a .281 FG%. He'll never be a great shooter, but even an average jump shot where defenders can't completely sag off him would open so much up.


Not that I don't agree that his jumper looks bad, but in all honesty his shooting split is ok if you don't account for his biggest weakness (above the break threes).

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Really? Because it looks like he's shooting 30% from the paint outside of the restricted area. It is absolutely amazing he's able to score at the volume and efficiency he does without any appreciable ability to make a shot outside of 3 feet. Not saying it's always going to be that way but man! that is one grim chart.
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Post#307 » by Packerbacker » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:35 pm

MiltownHawkeye wrote:Looks like we should be designing more plays to get him corner 3s.


That should be the theme of our offensive scheme development for all of of our guards and wings, not just Giannis. That it isn't really is a sad reflection on Kidd's attempts at keeping up with the modern NBA
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Post#308 » by Presence » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:38 pm

emunney wrote:
Presence wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:Next year won't be the final product so I just want to see continued all-around improvement and I will be satisfied. I will be particularly interested in the development of his jump shot. Of NBA players with 200 field goal attempts from beyond 10 feet this season (166 players), Giannis ranks dead last in the NBA with a .281 FG%. He'll never be a great shooter, but even an average jump shot where defenders can't completely sag off him would open so much up.


Not that I don't agree that his jumper looks bad, but in all honesty his shooting split is ok if you don't account for his biggest weakness (above the break threes).

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Really? Because it looks like he's shooting 30% from the paint outside of the restricted area. It is absolutely amazing he's able to score at the volume and efficiency he does without any appreciable ability to make a shot outside of 3 feet. Not saying it's always going to be that way but man! that is one grim chart.


Well, you're right, I looked it up and he's near the bottom in FG% for both paint shots and mid range, for the amount of FGAs he takes per game. Bleh.
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Post#309 » by Wisky4life » Tue Mar 1, 2016 3:29 am

179 games to catch Oscar Robertson. Amazing.
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Post#310 » by Bucks4Milwaukee » Tue Mar 1, 2016 5:25 am

No Bucks player has ever had 4 triple doubles in one season, ever. That's what Giannis' short term goal should be.
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Post#311 » by H2tObes » Tue Mar 1, 2016 5:31 am

If this is the role of Giannis on the team moving forward he should be able to get one triple double per week
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Post#312 » by bigkurty » Tue Mar 1, 2016 5:34 am

Bucks4Milwaukee wrote:No Bucks player has ever had 4 triple doubles in one season, ever. That's what Giannis' short term goal should be.

I am sure Oscar must have
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Post#313 » by bigkurty » Tue Mar 1, 2016 5:37 am

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Bucks4Milwaukee wrote:No Bucks player has ever had 4 triple doubles in one season, ever. That's what Giannis' short term goal should be.

I am sure Oscar must have

Although he did play in MKE later in his career. Did he really not do it? Wow
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Post#314 » by Bucks4Milwaukee » Tue Mar 1, 2016 5:38 am

bigkurty wrote:
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Bucks4Milwaukee wrote:No Bucks player has ever had 4 triple doubles in one season, ever. That's what Giannis' short term goal should be.

I am sure Oscar must have

Although he did play in MKE later in his career. Did he really not do it? Wow

Unless there was a dramatically different schedule, no. He does have a lot total.
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Post#315 » by FlagsFlyForever » Tue Mar 1, 2016 5:49 am

bigkurty wrote:
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Bucks4Milwaukee wrote:No Bucks player has ever had 4 triple doubles in one season, ever. That's what Giannis' short term goal should be.

I am sure Oscar must have

Although he did play in MKE later in his career. Did he really not do it? Wow

He averaged a triple double over the first six seasons of his career, but he was a shell of his former self by the time he got to Milwaukee. His best year as a Buck was 19.4 points, 8.2 assists, 5.7 rebounds and he recorded "only" three triple doubles that season.




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Post#316 » by HKPackFan » Tue Mar 1, 2016 6:39 am

You know a player is flirting with greatness when he gets 2 triple doubles in a week and makes it look easy.


He honestly looks like he could pull off a triple double a few times a month.
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Post#317 » by Shaffty » Tue Mar 1, 2016 7:00 am

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Post#318 » by greekbuck34 » Tue Mar 1, 2016 2:19 pm

Guys I will write it down now because I saw again someone complaining in the GT last night about Giannis' long stretch minutes in his rotation. I did it too in the past, blaming Kidd about the insane Giannis rotation and that he is trying to kill him.

I'm not saying that it's good for Giannis body ofc but I think gaming-wise he is by far better when he is playing for a long period of time without pauses maybe because when he finds his rythme it's almost impossible for him to lose it and his fatique doesn't affect him as much as it affects other players. That's why I think Kidd gives him only 2 usual long breathers per game with 1 extra short one if it's needed or if we have a substantial lead midway of the 4th q. If Giannis has foul trouble and has to sit early in the game he always struggles to find his rythme and he is usally good again in the 4th Q when he has played for more than 15 minutes straight.

Now I'm asking you. Could someone prove my theory with stats? I don't know how to use basketball-reference and I have no idea how I could find something like that in NBA Stats...

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Post#319 » by 3Diamantidis » Tue Mar 1, 2016 2:36 pm

Let' go for consecutive triple doubles.
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Post#320 » by Magic Giannison » Tue Mar 1, 2016 9:23 pm

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