Would the Bulls 'reset' and trade Jimmy Butler this offseason ? What would Celtics need to give you?

[RedBulls23]

Now if it's true that JR vetoed that trade, I'm starting to wonder if Gar really is on the outs? Which would make sense why the only trade gar was able or allowed to make was a cost cutting one.

It is consistent with what we expect of Jerry which is conservative and steady hand. While he isn't in the business of risky 'go for it' moves, also don't think he's interested in blowing it up, starting over, no playoff profit, and trusting Garface to build it all back again.

Which is why I think he could very likely be thinking about replacing Gar. I guess we will see how it goes this off-season.

[Ctownbulls]

2016 Brooklyn pick unprotected (currently#4)
2016 Dallas pick
2016 Celtics pick
2018 Brooklyn pick unprotected
Avery Bradley
Amir Johnson (Salary)

for Jimmy Butler+ filler.

intriguing

Bulls would say yes.

[push]

That actually would be one hell of a "sell high" move. The thing this board always complains about is not selling high on guys/assets. I would be leaning tords taking the Boston package, mainly because I dont feel that Gar is capable of putting the right players around Butler while hes still in his prime. His prime will likely be wasted here

This is exactly what I've been saying for awhile now. We're going to waste Jimmy Butler if he doesn't get sold for as much as we can get right now.

[khufure]

damn that's a lot of draft picks

[Rerisen]

That actually would be one hell of a "sell high" move. The thing this board always complains about is not selling high on guys/assets. I would be leaning tords taking the Boston package, mainly because I dont feel that Gar is capable of putting the right players around Butler while hes still in his prime. His prime will likely be wasted here

This is exactly what I've been saying for awhile now. We're going to waste Jimmy Butler if he doesn't get sold for as much as we can get right now.

He probably has 6 great years left, unless we are a mess for 6 more years from here, I don't see how he would be wasted.

[Poohdini1]

You guys are sleeping on Ingram from Duke, he is closing the gap on Simmons for the #1 pick.

[johnnyvann840]

damn that's a lot of draft picks

Yeah it is... this is Herschel Walker level stuff.... of course you do that trade in the OP.

[soxfan2003]

No.

Bulls are not trading a 26 yr old 2 time All Star who is arguably the best defender in the league and jersey is now in the top ten of sales.

That's exactly what you hope one of those top picks turn into. This is why we maxed this kid out.

I don't see the argument for Butler as best defender in the league. Probably not top 5 defender either. I don't even consider Butler that close at this time to the best defender. I mean do you honestly think he deserves to be compared to Leonard. Even Green of Golden State who I consider a better defender than Butler says Leonard is the best defender in the league.

As a Celtics fan, I honestly don't want Butler for anywhere near the price the original poster said. Taking away Bradley may make it a "fair trade" if one really thinks this draft is bad after the top 2 picks. But it would still be a fair trade in that scenario that doesn't make sense for Boston.

As I said on the Celtics forum, Butler because of his skill-set is closer to Deng, another 2 time Bulls all-star, than Paul Pierce. Butler shouldn't age that well unless he really develops a consistent high volume 3. Butler is a damn good player and legit all-star this season and probably next season as well but the Celtics are not lacking on the perimeter in terms of defense at all. And I don't overrate the Celtics... I'll be the first to admit IT isn't a legit all-star but got in since more of the top PGs are out west.

Celtics need Kevin Durant who would be a perfect fit for the Celtics and frankly I don't even think should be talking with the Bulls unless it is a 3 team scenario since with KD, the Celtics really don't need to overpay for Butler or anyone else other than possible a center that fits. With KD, what the Celtics could use is someone like a 25 year old Noah.

As a Celtics fan, I laugh at jersey sales. I must have had 500 plus posts/debates urging the Celtics to trade Rondo since I felt he was overrated and many of those posts where when Rondo was in the top 10 if not top 5 of jersey sales.

If Butler has tremendous trade value, in all honesty this off-season is probably the time to trade him if the Bulls can make some other good rebuilding trades as well. After next season, Butler's trade value will be going down and not up. Sure Rose will be off the books but will the Bulls have enough assets to really play the FA game? Maybe, maybe not. Probably a difficult call.

It really boils down to whether the Bulls think Butler will really add the 3 since the 3 ball would obviously offset a decline in athleticism that happens to most perimeter players.

But with KD agreeing to join the Celtics, I just see no need for Butler.
And without KD, I don't see how the heck the Celtics can win a title by either overpaying for Butler or even paying a fair price for him.

[Rerisen]

Kind of amazing at the beginning of the year, some around here were laughing at the idea of the Celtics as a contender, and scoffing at their superior win differential.

Now it comes down the line a way and both Bulls and Celtics fans are accepting and discussing the premise that they would trade for our best player as a go for it type move, while we would consent to rebuilding.

[johnnyvann840]

Jimmy has a decent 3 ball.. above average. But decent. he's shot around .380 for two for the last three seasons, was injured for the other.. and was starting to shoot well when he got hurt.

[SpinninHouse]

I would do a number of different trade combinations with Boston for Jimmy Butler. Crowder, Bradley or Smart and Brooklyn's first round pick would do it for me.

[johnnyvann840]

Kind of amazing at the beginning of the year, some around here were laughing at the idea of the Celtics as a contender, and scoffing at their superior win differential.

Now it comes down the line a way and both Bulls and Celtics fans are accepting and discussing the premise that they would trade for our best player as a go for it type move, while we would consent to rebuilding.

I said before the season started that the Celtics (and Heat) were both at least on our level if not better. Not many agreed.

[khufure]

Butler's got many traits but his work ethic and toughness are among the best. He always adds something to his game every year. It wouldn't surprise me if he had a > 40% 3 point shot next year.

[DarthDiggler69]

If Bulls go the rebuild route I'd trade Jimmy for the number 1 pick(if Celtics happened to land it) to get Ben Simmons. Or trade Butler for Crowder and two first rounders (one at least in the lottery).

Though i dont want to go full-rebuild so I would try to have Crowder and Butler both on the Bulls first.

I have to say Butler may be overvalued on here, the way the league is going with three-point shooting is become very important and thats Butler's weakness esp at shooting guard.

[bulletbill]

If Bulls trade Jimmy its because low-key, the Bulls don't believe Butler is the guy to build around. Not saying Melo and Butler are the same level overall talent (some posters insist Butler is better), but they have a 5.5 year gap in age and NYK resigned him with plans for a quick rebuild. So what if Butler is 30 the next time Bulls are legit contenders?... 30 is a problem only if you think Butler isn't a great enough talent, or his game won't age gracefully. So what is it, how good is Jimmy...?

For me, I've never been sold on Butler all the way, so I'd be in favor of a legit reset. But I agree with the posters saying this would have to be done with a new FO, Garpax don't deserve another rebuild.

[DuckIII]

A lot if it is about Hoiberg and Jimmy. If Jimmy is basically refusing to play the way Hoiberg wants the offense to run, and the two of them can't salvage the relationship, then absolutely without question I would do this deal.

If the problem is that the star doesn't want to play Hoiball. Then I trade Hoiball. It's easier to get an underachieving coach then it is to get a top 15 player

I don't think anyone is all that impressed with Hoiberg and it's not like Jimmy was causing problems under Thibs.

Reasonable take. Here's my thing with it: I don't think Butler is SO good that you choose him over the coach AND that amazing package from the Celtics. Frankly, I'd strongly consider this deal even if Hoiberg and Jimmy were BFFs.

Sidenote: I wouldn't assume Jimmy wasn't causing problems with Thibs. He's one of the guys who wanted Thibs gone. But that is neither here nor there.

[MrSparkle]

I'm gonna throw in the fact that Ainge is too smart to trade that much for Jimmy.

He'd lose 3 starter-caliber / great role-players who you'd want on a contending team... And then 1 or 2 shots at an all-star (maybe even superstar talent) for a 15-20 top-player. OP's offer is far too lucrative.

The trade would have to get kind of complicated for it to make sense, IMO. Both teams would really need to evaluate their 2016 draft and FA options before pulling the trigger.

[Bomba Navarro]

As I said on the Celtics forum, Butler because of his skill-set is closer to Deng, another 2 time Bulls all-star, than Paul Pierce. Butler shouldn't age that well unless he really develops a consistent high volume 3.

Deng? Are you kidding me? You can't have watched Butler in the last two seasons.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Look, I'd even be willing to toss in a future pick on our end and the Kings pick just to get it done. Seriously, it's just that good of a deal. Name one instance where a team traded it's star player and got that much in return. That's stupid value guys!!

We all like to complain about the FO falling in love with "their guys" and here some of us are doing that very thing. If a deal like this is on the table, you take it and you don't think twice about it. I love Jimmy. I really do. But just because he's good for us doesn't make him a generational talent. Jimmy is a super number two guy...a solid number 1 at best. He could be replaced.

[Chi town]

I would do a number of different trade combinations with Boston for Jimmy Butler. Crowder, Bradley or Smart and Brooklyn's first round pick would do it for me.

Exactly. Me too.

Crowder and Smart are winners. Tough as hell and the opposite of what the Bulls have become.

Crowder at 6M for the next 4 years is >>>> Barnes and Batum at 20M+ In essence you can take the money you save there at buy your FA defensive C. Crowder can defend 3 positions and IMO will only get better from 3. Great work ethic.

Smart will be a great 3rd guard off the bench.

IMO if pick is top 4 you take this package. Simmons Ingram Bender and Dunn all have all star talent.