Trade Discussion

[lilfishi22]

I was thinking the same exact thing. Irving for Bledsoe would work out PERFECT. Lebron gets his mini-me and we get the younger more well rounded PG.

Would we really be keen on Irving? This is a guy who wanted out BEFORE Lebron got there and carried them to his first playoff appearance. Do we really think he'll be content with the Suns?

I would be that keen on Irving. Super keen. He is locked up for four years after this one. We would get a honeymoon period to woo him.

We'll be locked up to four potentially disinterested, discontent years for max money. By the time Irving finishes his deal, he would've made $8m more than Bledsoe with the potential for another $19m more if he picks up his player option.

Irving in his best season with the Cavs, was a 22ppg/3rpg/5apg player. Bledsoe's best (full) season was a 17/5/6 player. Bledsoe this season was on pace for a 20/4/6 season. Irving is the better scorer and marginally better passer but that's about it. Bledsoe is a significant improvement on defense, he gets to the line at a higher rate per FGA and he's a better rebounder. Neither players are leaders and neither are great passers.

The only reason I might take Irving over Bledsoe is the questionable long-term health of Bledsoe's knees but Irving has health concerns of his own. I just don't see Irving being core part of a team to take us to the promiseland when he's unhappy doing the same thing with one of the greatest players on Earth. So I don't see why we should take on take on a young all-star who wanted out when things got difficult and wants out now when things aren't going the way he expected. I just can't see it being a happy partnership with this guy.

And for this reason, I'm out

[thamadkant]

Bledsoe + Cavs pick 2016 (Suns pick for Cavs)
for
Irving




Knight + Booker + Tucker
for
Jimmy Butler + McDermott


Suns drafts Simmons (Need over BPA, since they know Butler and Irving are coming in)


Suns
C: Chandler / Len
PF:Simmons / Len / Leuer
SF: Warren / McDermott
SG: Butler / Goodwin / Bogdanovic
PG: Irving / Goodwin / Jenkins


Edit: replaced Price with Jenkins who has 2 more years in his contract.

[JJ13]

Bledsoe + Cavs pick 2016 (Suns pick for Cavs)
for
Irving




Knight + Booker + Tucker
for
Jimmy Butler + McDermott


Suns drafts Simmons (Need over BPA, since they know Butler and Irving are coming in)


Suns
C: Chandler / Len
PF:Simmons / Len / Leuer
SF: Warren / McDermott
SG: Butler / Goodwin / Bogdanovic
PG: Irving / Goodwin / Price

Sh*t, that's bold. I'd do Knight+Booker+Tucker for Butler alone. No way Bulls part with Butler IMO.

[lilfishi22]

Yep. Super keen. He's not unhappy cause they aren't winning. He's likely unhappy because (a) it's Cleveland and (b) Lebron runs the team and is kind of a doosh. I'd do Bled or Knight and throw in other parts if needed to get it done, Archie, pick, etc. this summer. It is amazing to me that Kyrie is only 23, feels like he's been in the league for forever.

Cavs don't need a superstar PG to win, see what Lebron did in Miami w/ freakin Chalmers and Cole. They need a solid off the ball shooter/playmaker and Offense needs to go through Lebron. I almost feel like Knight is a better fit for what they need, but bron bron and Bled are buds, so who knows.

Would be great to send them Tyson as well...they need interior D badly

We won't be winning with him so how will he stay happy here? He also had this team and the offense all to himself before The Return of the King and even then he wanted out.

Kyrie is undoubtedly a better player than either Bledsoe or Knight but is *that* much better and is he worth the trouble?

[JJ13]

Yep. Super keen. He's not unhappy cause they aren't winning. He's likely unhappy because (a) it's Cleveland and (b) Lebron runs the team and is kind of a doosh. I'd do Bled or Knight and throw in other parts if needed to get it done, Archie, pick, etc. this summer. It is amazing to me that Kyrie is only 23, feels like he's been in the league for forever.

Cavs don't need a superstar PG to win, see what Lebron did in Miami w/ freakin Chalmers and Cole. They need a solid off the ball shooter/playmaker and Offense needs to go through Lebron. I almost feel like Knight is a better fit for what they need, but bron bron and Bled are buds, so who knows.

Would be great to send them Tyson as well...they need interior D badly

We won't be winning with him so how will he stay happy here? He also had this team and the offense all to himself before The Return of the King and even then he wanted out.

Kyrie is undoubtedly a better player than either Bledsoe or Knight but is *that* much better and is he worth the trouble?

Yes

[thamadkant]

Bledsoe + Cavs pick 2016 (Suns pick for Cavs)
for
Irving




Knight + Booker + Tucker
for
Jimmy Butler + McDermott


Suns drafts Simmons (Need over BPA, since they know Butler and Irving are coming in)


Suns
C: Chandler / Len
PF:Simmons / Len / Leuer
SF: Warren / McDermott
SG: Butler / Goodwin / Bogdanovic
PG: Irving / Goodwin / Price

Sh*t, that's bold. I'd do Knight+Booker+Tucker for Butler alone. No way Bulls part with Butler IMO.

Want to see Bold?


Chandler + Pick 1 or 2 + future Suns pick
for
Cousins



C: Cousins / Len
PF: Len / Leuer
SF: Warren / McDermott
SG: Butler / Goodwin / Bogdanovic
PG: Irving / Goodwin / Jenkins

[thamadkant]

Yep. Super keen. He's not unhappy cause they aren't winning. He's likely unhappy because (a) it's Cleveland and (b) Lebron runs the team and is kind of a doosh. I'd do Bled or Knight and throw in other parts if needed to get it done, Archie, pick, etc. this summer. It is amazing to me that Kyrie is only 23, feels like he's been in the league for forever.

Cavs don't need a superstar PG to win, see what Lebron did in Miami w/ freakin Chalmers and Cole. They need a solid off the ball shooter/playmaker and Offense needs to go through Lebron. I almost feel like Knight is a better fit for what they need, but bron bron and Bled are buds, so who knows.

Would be great to send them Tyson as well...they need interior D badly

We won't be winning with him so how will he stay happy here? He also had this team and the offense all to himself before The Return of the King and even then he wanted out.

Kyrie is undoubtedly a better player than either Bledsoe or Knight but is *that* much better and is he worth the trouble?

Irving could explode similar to Curry on the right system and team.
Can score better inside than Curry...
Has enough 3pt ability.... on the same level as Lowry, Lillard.... all way behind Curry.
But his ability to have more moves than Curry... who, let's face it... is crafty but does his damage because he nails shots from ridiculous places and at ridiculous release timing... he doesnt really "beat" defenders with a wide variety of moves... he doesnt have to though... but Irving is more of a slithery player... like a 6'2 Ginobili when he drives to the rim.

[LukasBMW]

If GM Lebron starts doing stupid ish and wants to swap Irving for Bledsoe and a few throw in's...

Sign me up!

[AtheJ415]

I'd be fine trading for Irving, particularly for age reasons. That said, I find it somewhat hilarious that everyone here wants a no-defense playing, ball-stopping, scoring guard who takes a lot of shots when so many complained about IT and now Knight.

[bwgood77]

I'd be fine trading for Irving, particularly for age reasons. That said, I find it somewhat hilarious that everyone here wants a no-defense playing, ball-stopping, scoring guard who takes a lot of shots when so many complained about IT and now Knight.

It is funny, though I actually did a b-ref comparison of the two earlier and there was quite a discrepancy. But I would rather have a pass first pg, which is why I haven't chimed in about wanting to trade for him. We need unselfish players, and LeBron had to tell him one time that he better not see that many shots and zero assists from him again.

I'd be ok trading for him too, but I do actually like Bledsoe when he doesn't seem to be trying to one up Knight in the big scoring game department (which I only really remember thinking once, the game after Knight's monster game).

[Sunsdeuce]

I do not believe a word Stephen A. Smith says.

Smart man you are. I agree, I take nothing that racist says seriously.

[Sunsdeuce]

I'd be so happy for a Bledsoe for Irving BUT hell no to giving up OUR pick for him. That is off limits unless we are getting a superstar back. Irving is a star but not a superstar.

Anyway, Bledsoe would be back with his good ole pal Lebron. And we could nearly rid ourselves of the Rich Paul nightmare (Watson goes at the end of year). That Rich Paul nightmare would be all Clevelands problem.

[Saberestar]

Bledsoe + Wizards pick is FAIR for both sides. Irving is a terrific player, an upgrade over Bledsoe and we can be the new and younger GSW with Irving/Booker/Warren/Simmons or Ingram /Len.....
Wowwww

[letsgosuns]

I have no interest in Irving. He is selfish and has been injury prone his entire career. He is better than Bledsoe and Knight but who cares. I do not want Bledsoe or Knight either. I am so sick of these prima donna basketball players that complain about everything.

The Cavaliers were horrific with Irving on the their team before Lebron showed up. Irving does not make players around him better and led the Cavaliers to records 21-45, 24-58, and 33-49. Plus that was in the Eastern Conference. Imagine what would have happened if those same Cavaliers teams were in the Western Conference.

I would much rather trade for John Wall, sign Rondo, or draft a point guard. Swapping Bledsoe and Irving does not make the Suns any better. Irving would just hold back the development of Booker, Warren, and Len anyway. If McDonough was confident that Rondo's attitude would not be a problem, he would seriously be the perfect point guard next to Booker, Warren, and Len. Get rid of Bledsoe and Knight for more draft picks and put those picks together and trade for a superstar. Blake Griffin is the guy I think fits perfectly.

[Saberestar]

Rondo? He is a headcase and he can not make the Kings a playoff team with a good roster plenty of talent. Defensively he has regressed a lot the last few years too. I prefer Bledsoe over Rondo every day of the week.

[TOO]

I have no interest in Irving. He is selfish and has been injury prone his entire career. He is better than Bledsoe and Knight but who cares. I do not want Bledsoe or Knight either. I am so sick of these prima donna basketball players that complain about everything.

The Cavaliers were horrific with Irving on the their team before Lebron showed up. Irving does not make players around him better and led the Cavaliers to records 21-45, 24-58, and 33-49. Plus that was in the Eastern Conference. Imagine what would have happened if those same Cavaliers teams were in the Western Conference.

I would much rather trade for John Wall, sign Rondo, or draft a point guard. Swapping Bledsoe and Irving does not make the Suns any better. Irving would just hold back the development of Booker, Warren, and Len anyway. If McDonough was confident that Rondo's attitude would not be a problem, he would seriously be the perfect point guard next to Booker, Warren, and Len. Get rid of Bledsoe and Knight for more draft picks and put those picks together and trade for a superstar. Blake Griffin is the guy I think fits perfectly.

Calls Irving a prima donna, wants Blake Griffin? LOLWUT.

[lilfishi22]

I have no interest in Irving. He is selfish and has been injury prone his entire career. He is better than Bledsoe and Knight but who cares. I do not want Bledsoe or Knight either. I am so sick of these prima donna basketball players that complain about everything.

The Cavaliers were horrific with Irving on the their team before Lebron showed up. Irving does not make players around him better and led the Cavaliers to records 21-45, 24-58, and 33-49. Plus that was in the Eastern Conference. Imagine what would have happened if those same Cavaliers teams were in the Western Conference.

I would much rather trade for John Wall, sign Rondo, or draft a point guard. Swapping Bledsoe and Irving does not make the Suns any better. Irving would just hold back the development of Booker, Warren, and Len anyway. If McDonough was confident that Rondo's attitude would not be a problem, he would seriously be the perfect point guard next to Booker, Warren, and Len. Get rid of Bledsoe and Knight for more draft picks and put those picks together and trade for a superstar. Blake Griffin is the guy I think fits perfectly.

I agree. To me, it feels like it's probably lateral move to swap Bledsoe for Irving. Irving is the younger player and he still has good potential but when solid PG's are dime a dozen in today's NBA, do you pay absolute top dollar for a guy averaging Isaiah Thomas numbers AND have less of an impact on the game?

100% disagree about Rondo though. That guy is done. He has an attitude problem. When the Mavs traded for him, it was a great opportunity for him to be part of an elite team, instead he literally gave up on the team in the playoffs. I don't want anything to do with Rondo.

[letsgosuns]

Rondo? He is a cancer and he can not make the Kings a playoff team with a good roster plenty of talent. Defensively he has regressed a lot the last few years too. I prefer Bledsoe over Rondo every day of the week.

I just do not know anymore. Idk what to do. All these players suck nowadays. Worst NBA season of all time. I hate it. The CBA is awful and these players coming out of college are two-three years away from making an impact. That is why Booker is so shocking.

Players that were top picks in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's could come in and turn their teams around in their rookie seasons. The most recent drafts are some of the worst drafts of all time. What has happened to quality of play. No fundamentals for these players and then teams give them max contracts when their rookie contracts are up and they are nowhere near deserving of it.

Perfect example is Tobias Harris. Guy got maxed out for no reason. It was a joke. Career numbers of 13 and 6 and averaging 14 and 7 this year in the first year of a max contract. Orlando could not get out of their mistake soon enough and they did by trading him to Detroit. That is what the new NBA is. Mediocre players getting overpaid and complaining when their team is not good enough and demanding trades. The Warriors and Spurs records are more indicative of how terrible the rest of the NBA is rather than they how good the Warriors and Spurs are individually.

[letsgosuns]

Forget Rondo then. He quit on his teammates in Dallas. I just hate Bledose and Knight so much that I would rather have Rondo than them. The guy I want the most is John Wall. It is not even close. Doubt he is available though.

[TeamTragic]

I hope we pick up Bennett and Earl Watson re-enacts this scene at practice.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKjeBid6IaI[/youtube]

Stephen A says Kyrie wants out. Lebron would love to get Bledsoe iyam.

Why exactly does Kyrie want out from that team? It doesn't make sense. In addition we would be trading one injured player for another injured player that will cost more. No thanks.