Kyrie Irving would rather play somewhere else

[HMFFL]

If true we must pursue him.

http://cavaliers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Cavs-PG-Kyrie-Irving-would-rather-play-somewhere-else-44002234

[Jamaaliver]

If true we must pursue him.

http://cavaliers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Cavs-PG-Kyrie-Irving-would-rather-play-somewhere-else-44002234

We'd definitely have to do our due diligence. Kyrie, based on production and age, is without question a franchise caliber talent.

But his injury history concerns me greatly...



Cleveland's trade of Andrew Wiggins looks worse every year.

With all that said, I'd do Millsap and Teague for Kyrie, Iman and whatever contracts were necessary. (Or would we insist on getting Kevin Love as well for that package?)

Dennis to Philly for Dario. Re-sign AL, and suddenly this team's long term prospects would indeed be brighter.


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[atlantabbq99]

I'm weary of Kyrie and i think he is a fake star. i think he defense is a huge issue that nobody is talking about. Kyrie puts up good numbers but generally the opposing PG usually puts up bigger numbers. Lowry dropped 40 on Kyrie a few nights ago, and as Hawks fans we see what Teague has been able to do to him over the years.

If the Hawks some how gets Kyrie, i probably wouldn't be as excited as other Hawks fans, in my opinion he is a good talent but not a savior or guy who can carry a team like i think most casual fans thinks he is.

[Hawk Eye]

This is coming from Stephen A. Smith...

The only other person it would have been worse to hear that report from is this guy.

[ATL Boy]

I agree that Kyrie Irving is overrated, because he plays virtually no defense. If it would take Teague and Millsap to get him I'd just pass on that and continue with what I assume will be our plan of trading Teague this summer and letting Dennis take over the reigns as starting PG.

[PandaKidd]

KI is not mediocre, KI isnt ovverrated. Hes a top 5 PG in the league. Hes a pure scorer. Hes also got a bit of an ego (as most PGs do).

Teague and MIllsap for KI and YOU WOULD PASS? ARE YOU INSANE? I cant believe i just read that. MIllsap is an EXPIRING come next year, and so is Teague. Id do that deal in a heartbeat. KI is 10 times the player either of those guys are, and I LOVE MILLSAP , but hes 30 and aging.

KI does have some red flags with his injury history. for sure. Problem is he would fit here because DS wouldnt play second fiddle anymore. Unless he wants to play the 2 guard.

Keep in mind the coaches that KI has played for. Keep in mind the team he has been on before last year. Defense is a concern but not a deal breaker

[atlantabbq99]

Some people think Kyrie is on the same level as Curry or Westbrook, but he is not. He is more on the same level as Wall, Lowry, Teague, Bledsoe. If you swap out Teague for Kyrie, i think at best it only improves the team by 1 win.

I'm ok with Kyrie, he is talented, but he is not a #1 option or a franchise player. The only reason why I wouldn't want Kyrie is that he is not good enough to lead a team to a championship but is good enough to get a max contract. and any GM that would give Kyrie a max contract is basically dooming their franchise, like what Harden is doing to Houston right now.

[ATL Boy]

KI is not mediocre, KI isnt ovverrated. Hes a top 5 PG in the league. Hes a pure scorer. Hes also got a bit of an ego (as most PGs do).

Teague and MIllsap for KI and YOU WOULD PASS? ARE YOU INSANE? I cant believe i just read that. MIllsap is an EXPIRING come next year, and so is Teague. Id do that deal in a heartbeat. KI is 10 times the player either of those guys are, and I LOVE MILLSAP , but hes 30 and aging.

KI does have some red flags with his injury history. for sure. Problem is he would fit here because DS wouldnt play second fiddle anymore. Unless he wants to play the 2 guard.

Keep in mind the coaches that KI has played for. Keep in mind the team he has been on before last year. Defense is a concern but not a deal breaker

Yes, I stand by what I said. I'd rather try and package Teague and Millsap for something else, some wing help maybe, and then use the influx of cap space to go after some free agents.

Not a fan of Kyrie at all. He's someone who will put up the gaudy stats while at the same time quietly allowing the opposing PG to go off.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the Cavs were playing better with Dirty Delly in the lineup, at the beginning of the season. Not saying by any means that he's better than Irving, but he's twice the player defensively.


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[Jamaaliver]

KI is not mediocre, KI isnt ovverrated. Hes a top 5 PG in the league. Hes a pure scorer. Hes also got a bit of an ego (as most PGs do).

Teague and MIllsap for KI and YOU WOULD PASS? ARE YOU INSANE? I cant believe i just read that. MIllsap is an EXPIRING come next year, and so is Teague. Id do that deal in a heartbeat. KI is 10 times the player either of those guys are, and I LOVE MILLSAP , but hes 30 and aging.

I don't think people realize how highly regarded Kyrie is, both as a player and as a trade chip.

He's a 3x All Star, All Star Game MVP, FIBA Tourney MVP & All-NBA...at age 23!!! He isn't even in his prime yet. Plus, he's had no stability since High School. He's had 6 coaches in the last 7 years. Six different systems!!!

It's weird we think we can improve scrubs and role players in our development system, but elite young talent that hasn't fully blossomed we want to bypass?

His defense is less than stellar...but that's a lack of coaching and player development. KI on this contract for the next 4+ years is a bargain and will include the best years of career.

No way we could pass up an opportunity like that.

[Jamaaliver]

Getting in on KI at age 23 is like getting Steph Curry at the earliest parts of his career.

Curry was good in that old, outdated offensive system Mark Jackson ran. He's an all time great in the Kerr system.

If KI can consistently avg 20 ppg & 5 apg under the likes of Mike Brown, Byron Scott and David Blatt...

just imagine what he could do flanked by shooters in our system.

You can't pass that type of opportunity up. As a perennial 45 win team looking for a young star to build around...this is the most ideal situation possible.

NOTE: 23 year old Kyrie is already more productive than 23 year old Steph Curry Here

[Geaux_Hawks]

Any third team we could possibly add in to essentially flip KI to? Would rather let KI go elsewhere than to bring him here. He has injury concerns and problems on defense. He just doesn't strike me as a super impressive guy other than having a nice handle on the ball.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Getting in on KI at age 23 is like getting Steph Curry at the earliest parts of his career.

Curry was good in that old, outdated offensive system Mark Jackson ran. He's an all time great in the Kerr system.

If KI can consistently avg 20 ppg & 5 apg under the likes of Mike Brown, Byron Scott and David Blatt...

just imagine what he could do flanked by shooters in our system.

You can't pass that type of opportunity up. As a perennial 45 win team looking for a young star to build around...this is the most ideal situation possible.

NOTE: 23 year old Kyrie is already more productive than 23 year old Steph Curry Here

I would say Curry had a better age 23 season than Irving is having. Percentages are way higher, he averaged more rebounds, steals and assists.

[Geaux_Hawks]

KI is not mediocre, KI isnt ovverrated. Hes a top 5 PG in the league. Hes a pure scorer. Hes also got a bit of an ego (as most PGs do).

Teague and MIllsap for KI and YOU WOULD PASS? ARE YOU INSANE? I cant believe i just read that. MIllsap is an EXPIRING come next year, and so is Teague. Id do that deal in a heartbeat. KI is 10 times the player either of those guys are, and I LOVE MILLSAP , but hes 30 and aging.

KI does have some red flags with his injury history. for sure. Problem is he would fit here because DS wouldnt play second fiddle anymore. Unless he wants to play the 2 guard.

Keep in mind the coaches that KI has played for. Keep in mind the team he has been on before last year. Defense is a concern but not a deal breaker

Yes, I stand by what I said. I'd rather try and package Teague and Millsap for something else, some wing help maybe, and then use the influx of cap space to go after some free agents.

Not a fan of Kyrie at all. He's someone who will put up the gaudy stats while at the same time quietly allowing the opposing PG to go off.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the Cavs were playing better with Dirty Delly in the lineup, at the beginning of the season. Not saying by any means that he's better than Irving, but he's twice the player defensively.


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Completely agree

[Jamaaliver]

NOTE: 23 year old Kyrie is already more productive than 23 year old Steph Curry Here

I would say Curry had a better age 23 season than Irving is having. Percentages are way higher, he averaged more rebounds, steals and assists.

And that is a reasonable conclusion...but Kyrie's superior Off Rating, Def Rating and higher Win Shares indicates the gap in on court impact is minimal.

And the fact that it's even close....that there might be a 23 year old on the trade market whose skillset and production is comparable to the MVP...how could we not seriously consider that acquisition and attempt to build around him for his prime years?

[Geaux_Hawks]

NOTE: 23 year old Kyrie is already more productive than 23 year old Steph Curry Here

I would say Curry had a better age 23 season than Irving is having. Percentages are way higher, he averaged more rebounds, steals and assists.

And that is a reasonable conclusion...but Kyrie's superior Off Rating, Def Rating and higher Win Shares indicates the gap in on court impact is minimal.

And the fact that it's even close....that there might be a 23 year old on the trade market whose skillset and production is comparable to the MVP...how could we not seriously consider that acquisition and attempt to build around him for his prime years?

Well we are comparing him to 2nd year in the league Curry. Curry came out of college late. If this is all KI can produce as a 5th year pro playing for a much better team than what the Warriors were back then, then I'm not to impressed. I will give him a small pass being 2nd fiddle to a top player in the world, but I'm still not to impressed..

[Jamaaliver]

Well we are comparing him to 2nd year in the league Curry. Curry came out of college late. If this is all KI can produce as a 5th year pro playing for a much better team than what the Warriors were back then, then I'm not to impressed. I will give him a small pass being 2nd fiddle to a top player in the world, but I'm still not to impressed..

Another very valid point.

And comparing 4th year to 4th year still sees fairly comparable efficiency and production: similar PER, TS%, Off Rating, Def Rating, Win Shares, PPG.

Curry's assists & rebounds per game are indeed superior. But, again, the fact almost every other stat is comparable between 22 year old KI and 24 Stephen...bodes well that Irving has room for improvement.

[MaceCase]

Sure, if you're completely dismantling your team because Kyrie is not a guy you can just plug and play into any lineup. If you can also acquire a wing secondary scorer, a versatile 3-D wing that can swap out anywhere in the perimeter, and then two defensive/rebounding bigs then you can be pretty successful with Kyrie. A lot of moving parts but not impossible, could turn out very ugly though if you don't have a concrete plan to acquire those players and build around Kyrie. The team I'm essentially picturing him being a great fit on is Utah.

[PandaKidd]

Yeah Id pass on Lebron too , you know , beacuse he doesnt fit.

[PandaKidd]

You know, id pass on Westbrook too, he just doesnt fit guys.

[PandaKidd]

Its insane to think that Hawks fans who bitch and moan all year about having mediocre talent, would completely turn against picking up an ELITE talent.

I dont care HOW he fits, you make it work.