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The Future is BRIGHT 

Post#1 » by pollack419 » Tue Mar 1, 2016 3:58 pm

I love this team! So excited for the rest of the year and glad I got league pass to start the year down here in Florida! I am pumped for the future of the team as long as we sign Andre and with all the other young talent locked up, Who would you add to this squad in FA and or Draft Pick.

Player / Years signed for next year / Current age

Andre / 5 / 22
RJ / 4 / 25
Tobias / 3 / 23
Morris / 3 and cheap / 26
KCP / 2 Cheap/ 24
Stanley / 4 cheap / 19
Baynes / 2 Fair / 29
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KCP is 23
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Post#3 » by SAKURABA216 » Tue Mar 1, 2016 8:10 pm

Are we over the cap yet? Because looking at that roster we are going to need some serious upgrades if we want to seriously compete. We are going to be good enough to be the 3rd seed in the east maybe if Derozan splits, but the Cavs are stacked and Boston is already better than us and have hella assets this Summer.
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Post#4 » by hoophabit » Tue Mar 1, 2016 11:00 pm

SAKURABA216 wrote:Are we over the cap yet? Because looking at that roster we are going to need some serious upgrades if we want to seriously compete. We are going to be good enough to be the 3rd seed in the east maybe if Derozan splits, but the Cavs are stacked and Boston is already better than us and have hella assets this Summer.


Is this one of Maker's incarnations? :lol:
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Post#5 » by SAKURABA216 » Tue Mar 1, 2016 11:22 pm

No clue who "Maker" is. I've been studying for the bar exam for the past couple weeks so I could be missing something though.
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Post#6 » by detroitKG » Wed Mar 2, 2016 12:27 am

Serious upgrades....wut? Maybe on the bench but the Starting 5 is pretty much set going forward with a TON of talent and room to grow..I really don't understand some peoples views of this team and it's future...mind blowing at times really.
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Post#7 » by SAKURABA216 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 12:55 am

detroitKG wrote:Serious upgrades....wut? Maybe on the bench but the Starting 5 is pretty much set going forward with a TON of talent and room to grow..I really don't understand some peoples views of this team and it's future...mind blowing at times really.


Don't get me wrong, the team is decent and is worlds better than what Dumars left us with, but I don't see this team as it is now constructed being any better than the 3rd seed in the future and that is being extremely optimistic and also considering that we play in a weak conference. I still think we are a good veteran or two away from getting back to the Eastern Conference Finals. The fact that you can look at this team's current roster and see anything more than that is mind blowing.
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Post#8 » by detroitKG » Wed Mar 2, 2016 1:26 am

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detroitKG wrote:Serious upgrades....wut? Maybe on the bench but the Starting 5 is pretty much set going forward with a TON of talent and room to grow..I really don't understand some peoples views of this team and it's future...mind blowing at times really.


Don't get me wrong, the team is decent and is worlds better than what Dumars left us with, but I don't see this team as it is now constructed being any better than the 3rd seed in the future and that is being extremely optimistic and also considering that we play in a weak conference. I still think we are a good veteran or two away from getting back to the Eastern Conference Finals. The fact that you can look at this team's current roster and see anything more than that is mind blowing.


Maybe because I know SVG and CO. will still be upgrading the roster...as far as what this team can or can't be in the future it's way too early to declare this teams ceiling as anything at this point..way too young and haven't even had a full season together to build chemistry and continuity..that's why I scoffed at your view on the team long term. But hey to each his own..you have your opinion of this team going forward and I have mine..so all good.
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Post#9 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Mar 2, 2016 1:55 am

Pffft. Why can't this team develop and get better like Pistons teams in the past. It is not like we are going to sign All-Stars at every position. Those types of players are most commonly developed, not bought. I think this crew right here now can develop into something special. Pistons just need to find quality backups who can start when called upon without missing much of a beat.
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Post#10 » by Todd3 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 2:35 am

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detroitKG wrote:Serious upgrades....wut? Maybe on the bench but the Starting 5 is pretty much set going forward with a TON of talent and room to grow..I really don't understand some peoples views of this team and it's future...mind blowing at times really.


Don't get me wrong, the team is decent and is worlds better than what Dumars left us with, but I don't see this team as it is now constructed being any better than the 3rd seed in the future and that is being extremely optimistic and also considering that we play in a weak conference. I still think we are a good veteran or two away from getting back to the Eastern Conference Finals. The fact that you can look at this team's current roster and see anything more than that is mind blowing.


Maybe because I know SVG and CO. will still be upgrading the roster...as far as what this team can or can't be in the future it's way too early to declare this teams ceiling as anything at this point..way too young and haven't even had a full season together to build chemistry and continuity..that's why I scoffed at your view on the team long term. But hey to each his own..you have your opinion of this team going forward and I have mine..so all good.


But you said the starting 5 is set. So do you really think upgrades to the bench + more experience is the only thing keeping this team from a championship?

I agree with Sakuraba and think we're still short 1 star in the starting lineup, in addition to upgrading the bench + more experience.
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Post#11 » by Todd3 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 2:49 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:Pffft. Why can't this team develop and get better like Pistons teams in the past. It is not like we are going to sign All-Stars at every position. Those types of players are most commonly developed, not bought. I think this crew right here now can develop into something special. Pistons just need to find quality backups who can start when called upon without missing much of a beat.


Those past Pistons teams were loaded with All-Stars and HOFers though. So if that is the model you're talking about, we're still short a major piece or two.
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Post#12 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Mar 2, 2016 2:58 am

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BadMofoPimp wrote:Pffft. Why can't this team develop and get better like Pistons teams in the past. It is not like we are going to sign All-Stars at every position. Those types of players are most commonly developed, not bought. I think this crew right here now can develop into something special. Pistons just need to find quality backups who can start when called upon without missing much of a beat.


Those past Pistons teams were loaded with All-Stars and HOFers though. So if that is the model you're talking about, we're still short a major piece or two.


Wait, when the Pistons built their team over a few years to fight their way to the ECF with Billups, Rip, TP, Ben and Okur before they got Sheed, they were a bunch of nobodies, not hall of famers. They developed and earned their way to being Elite.

It wasn't like Joe Dumars saw hall of famers when he found those players. He found solid glue guys who were determined to improve and develop good chemistry.

This is about building a solid foundation and then working them over a few years to get to that level which is close to what Stan is doing with this current crew right here. Because, no Durant or superstar is going to sign with Detroit. We have to develop one from what we have right here, right now over the next few years of seasoning.
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Post#13 » by epheisey » Wed Mar 2, 2016 3:01 am

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BadMofoPimp wrote:Pffft. Why can't this team develop and get better like Pistons teams in the past. It is not like we are going to sign All-Stars at every position. Those types of players are most commonly developed, not bought. I think this crew right here now can develop into something special. Pistons just need to find quality backups who can start when called upon without missing much of a beat.


Those past Pistons teams were loaded with All-Stars and HOFers though. So if that is the model you're talking about, we're still short a major piece or two.



Only Ben was an All-Star either of the years that team went to the Finals. They didn't get league-wide recognition until after the fact.

We already have 1 star player in Drummond. We have another on the verge with RJ. Between Harris, KCP, and Stanley Johnson, I think there is potential for a 3rd. That's plenty enough talent to contend. It's not guaranteed, but this is all conjecture based on potential, and there is no shortage on this roster right now. Not one of our players has hit their ceiling yet in my opinion, it's possible they already have, but that's impossible to judge in the moment.
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Post#14 » by detroitKG » Wed Mar 2, 2016 3:09 am

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Don't get me wrong, the team is decent and is worlds better than what Dumars left us with, but I don't see this team as it is now constructed being any better than the 3rd seed in the future and that is being extremely optimistic and also considering that we play in a weak conference. I still think we are a good veteran or two away from getting back to the Eastern Conference Finals. The fact that you can look at this team's current roster and see anything more than that is mind blowing.


Maybe because I know SVG and CO. will still be upgrading the roster...as far as what this team can or can't be in the future it's way too early to declare this teams ceiling as anything at this point..way too young and haven't even had a full season together to build chemistry and continuity..that's why I scoffed at your view on the team long term. But hey to each his own..you have your opinion of this team going forward and I have mine..so all good.


But you said the starting 5 is set. So do you really think upgrades to the bench + more experience is the only thing keeping this team from a championship?

I agree with Sakuraba and think we're still short 1 star in the starting lineup, in addition to upgrading the bench + more experience.


I said pretty much set, not 100% set because you never know what can come up in a trade or free agency..
You'd be amazed how much continuity and playoff experience can do for a young team that's only going to get better..
Ask Boston about it, hell they're in the TOP 3 of the East with no real superstar, so..It can go a long way.
As far as a star my money is on it coming from with in and my moneys on Johnson..so we'll see on that front..
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Post#15 » by Todd3 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 3:32 am

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BadMofoPimp wrote:Pffft. Why can't this team develop and get better like Pistons teams in the past. It is not like we are going to sign All-Stars at every position. Those types of players are most commonly developed, not bought. I think this crew right here now can develop into something special. Pistons just need to find quality backups who can start when called upon without missing much of a beat.


Those past Pistons teams were loaded with All-Stars and HOFers though. So if that is the model you're talking about, we're still short a major piece or two.


Wait, when the Pistons built their team over a few years to fight their way to the ECF with Billups, Rip, TP, Ben and Okur before they got Sheed, they were a bunch of nobodies, not hall of famers. They developed and earned their way to being Elite.

It wasn't like Joe Dumars saw hall of famers when he found those players. He found solid glue guys who were determined to improve and develop good chemistry.

This is about building a solid foundation and then working them over a few years to get to that level which is close to what Stan is doing with this current crew right here. Because, no Durant or superstar is going to sign with Detroit. We have to develop one from what we have right here, right now over the next few years of seasoning.


Chauncey was the 3rd overall pick, Rip was 7th, Tayshaun was a 1st rd pick, Corliss was a lotto pick. They weren't a bunch of nobodies.

I don't disagree that this current team could develop into a similar version of that '03 team eventually, but unless the goal is to get swept in the ECF, we're still that "Rasheed" piece away (at least) from being a legit championship contender .

So it's too early to say we're set and it's just a matter of time. Our talent level isn't there yet.
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Post#16 » by Todd3 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 3:44 am

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Maybe because I know SVG and CO. will still be upgrading the roster...as far as what this team can or can't be in the future it's way too early to declare this teams ceiling as anything at this point..way too young and haven't even had a full season together to build chemistry and continuity..that's why I scoffed at your view on the team long term. But hey to each his own..you have your opinion of this team going forward and I have mine..so all good.


But you said the starting 5 is set. So do you really think upgrades to the bench + more experience is the only thing keeping this team from a championship?

I agree with Sakuraba and think we're still short 1 star in the starting lineup, in addition to upgrading the bench + more experience.


I said pretty much set, not 100% set because you never know what can come up in a trade or free agency..
You'd be amazed how much continuity and playoff experience can do for a young team that's only going to get better..
Ask Boston about it, hell they're in the TOP 3 of the East with no real superstar, so..It can go a long way.
As far as a star my money is on it coming from with in and my moneys on Johnson..so we'll see on that front..


I agree on Johnson but too early to know for sure.

BOS has a nice team but they aren't winning any titles with that roster. If you're just talking about being a perennial top 4 team in the East like ATL, I'd agree we have the makings of that type of team already, but I thought we were talking about winning a championship and for that we still have work to do to the starting 5 imo. I think at least one of the 2/3 spots is going to need to be upraded into an All-Star type player. Could be Stanley.
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Post#17 » by zeebneeb » Wed Mar 2, 2016 3:56 am

This teams starting 5 could absolutely be a title contending team but that will be at the minimum 2 years down the line. The Positions I see set are Jackson, Pope, and Drummond. I need to see more of Harris, and Morris could be the Prince in this group providing outstanding defense while scoring when needed.

If Drummond keeps developing as he is he would be the best player the Pistons have ever had period. He is so dominant in some games at this young of an age I cant even imagine him at 27 when he has learned all the ropes.

If Drummonds progress continues the current 4 other players in the starting lineup is killer.
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Post#18 » by Todd3 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 3:58 am

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BadMofoPimp wrote:Pffft. Why can't this team develop and get better like Pistons teams in the past. It is not like we are going to sign All-Stars at every position. Those types of players are most commonly developed, not bought. I think this crew right here now can develop into something special. Pistons just need to find quality backups who can start when called upon without missing much of a beat.


Those past Pistons teams were loaded with All-Stars and HOFers though. So if that is the model you're talking about, we're still short a major piece or two.



Only Ben was an All-Star either of the years that team went to the Finals. They didn't get league-wide recognition until after the fact.

We already have 1 star player in Drummond. We have another on the verge with RJ. Between Harris, KCP, and Stanley Johnson, I think there is potential for a 3rd. That's plenty enough talent to contend. It's not guaranteed, but this is all conjecture based on potential, and there is no shortage on this roster right now. Not one of our players has hit their ceiling yet in my opinion, it's possible they already have, but that's impossible to judge in the moment.


It's not about league recognition, it's about talent. Those players were All-Stars talents in '04 & '05 and that's why they won, regardless of public perception.

I think Drummond and Reggie can get to that level, and possibly Tobias as well, but that team had 4-5 guys at that level so I don't think we're there yet.

Stanley has potential, but needs to do it for at least one season before I can say for sure he can get to Chauncey/Rip/Tay level.

Keep in mind, teams today are building Big 3s of superstars, not just 3 All-Stars, so if you don't have 2-3 superstars you better have 4-5 All-Star/AS caliber players to compensate. We're getting there, but not quite yet imo.
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Post#19 » by Todd3 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:23 am

zeebneeb wrote:This teams starting 5 could absolutely be a title contending team but that will be at the minimum 2 years down the line. The Positions I see set are Jackson, Pope, and Drummond. I need to see more of Harris, and Morris could be the Prince in this group providing outstanding defense while scoring when needed.

If Drummond keeps developing as he is he would be the best player the Pistons have ever had period. He is so dominant in some games at this young of an age I cant even imagine him at 27 when he has learned all the ropes.

If Drummonds progress continues the current 4 other players in the starting lineup is killer.


I think Drummond can be even more dominant than Ben when factoring in both sides. I think with some more seasoning Reggie is going to be as good as Chauncey. Harris has potential to be a quasi-Sheed for us (offensively at least). One of Morris/KCP could play a Prince type role. But then we still lack a Rip caliber talent at either the 2 or 3. That's why I think we're still a piece away.

I like how KCPs been playing lately, but Rip was a potential HOFer. So even if he plays the Prince role at SG, we still need that all star talent at SF. Could be Stanley, but too early to tell.
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Post#20 » by Pugz » Wed Mar 2, 2016 5:15 am

i think the starting unit is good and should get better. morris could be moved to the bench in place of sj. the x-factor is kcp. i think we get that much better if his offense gets more consistent, while improving.

our bench and leadership is the biggest thing that'll make or break this team. we have to grow together to win together.
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