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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#421 » by NOOB77 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:33 pm

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HerSports85 wrote:honestly with this record and the triangle I'll be surprised if we land anyone in Free Agency


I think it makes sense to just rebuild. We have a 20 year old piece. We can move Melo, ROLO, and others to get additional picks. And we have all our 1st rounders after this year to rebuild with. Perfect time to rebuild.



If Phil wanted to rebuild then he should have moved some of these players at the deadline for future picks. I am sure we could have gotten a late first for AA from OKC.

It always seems Phil is working two plans at the same side. Win now by not trading our older assets AA, Melo ect.....And by not making trades to improve the current team like trading future picks for someone like Teague (not saying that is smart to trade the picks).

Mentor a young coach with no experience screams rebuild. Then can him a year later screams win now.


Just seems he doesn't really have a plan or direction.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#422 » by HerSports85 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:34 pm

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HerSports85 wrote:honestly with this record and the triangle I'll be surprised if we land anyone in Free Agency


I think it makes sense to just rebuild. We have a 20 year old piece. We can move Melo, ROLO, and others to get additional picks. And we have all our 1st rounders after this year to rebuild with. Perfect time to rebuild.


I'm all for a rebuild if we strike out. 2017 draft looks good. The thing is..we may not get back what we want for Melo, and I'm fine with that at this point.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#423 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:35 pm

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i didn't forget. but it doesn't change the fact the he doesn't know how to put a team together. he put together rosters that didn't make sense 2 years in a row now. i'm pretty sure this upcoming year is his last year if he doesn't figure it out.


Roster, not rosters... 1 roster.

How can you blame him for last years roster with Amare and Bargs taking up nearly 50% of the cap. He brought in scraps because of inability to make any moves. Amare, Bargs, and JR weren't his fault.

So really he has had 1 year.


he changed half the roster last year...dalembert, calderon, larkin, acy, j smith, early, wear...that was him.....those were his ideas at getting better....all of those guys are worthless


just because you change half the roster doesn't mean thats his roster. He was doing whatever he could do to get guys like Tyson, Felton, and JR off the roster. So he took back a lot of scrubs in return.

What were you expecting with no cap space and guys like Felton and JR to trade? He basically moved pieces around to clean house. This was his first year to actually build a team. Since he had $$$ to do so. Again he is hampered by other GM's moves because we don't have our pick.

He took on a team with no assets. While we don't have a crazy amount of them right now. KP, Melo, and to a lesser extent ROLO are attractive pieces. That is far better than 2 years ago with what Grunwald left us.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#424 » by Sark » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:36 pm

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HerSports85 wrote:honestly with this record and the triangle I'll be surprised if we land anyone in Free Agency


I think it makes sense to just rebuild. We have a 20 year old piece. We can move Melo, ROLO, and others to get additional picks. And we have all our 1st rounders after this year to rebuild with. Perfect time to rebuild.


I'm all for a rebuild if we strike out. 2017 draft looks good. The thing is..we may not get back what we want for Melo, and I'm fine with that at this point.


If we can't get anything good for him, Melo can stay and drive the tank.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#425 » by HerSports85 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:37 pm

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HerSports85 wrote:honestly with this record and the triangle I'll be surprised if we land anyone in Free Agency


I think it makes sense to just rebuild. We have a 20 year old piece. We can move Melo, ROLO, and others to get additional picks. And we have all our 1st rounders after this year to rebuild with. Perfect time to rebuild.



If Phil wanted to rebuild then he should have moved some of these players at the deadline for future picks. I am sure we could have gotten a late first for AA from OKC.

It always seems Phil is working two plans at the same side. Win now by not trading our older assets AA, Melo ect.....And by not making trades to improve the current team like trading future picks for someone like Teague (not saying that is smart to trade the picks).

Mentor a young coach with no experience screams rebuild. Then can him a year later screams win now.


Just seems he doesn't really have a plan or direction.


This is a 1000000% true. This team has no clear vision. Been saying this since last year. Phil, Melo and Dolan want to compete .. we just sucked the last 2 seasons so plan B was to try to semi-rebuild.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#426 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:37 pm

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HerSports85 wrote:honestly with this record and the triangle I'll be surprised if we land anyone in Free Agency


I think it makes sense to just rebuild. We have a 20 year old piece. We can move Melo, ROLO, and others to get additional picks. And we have all our 1st rounders after this year to rebuild with. Perfect time to rebuild.



If Phil wanted to rebuild then he should have moved some of these players at the deadline for future picks. I am sure we could have gotten a late first for AA from OKC.

It always seems Phil is working two plans at the same side. Win now by not trading our older assets AA, Melo ect.....And by not making trades to improve the current team like trading future picks for someone like Teague (not saying that is smart to trade the picks).

Mentor a young coach with no experience screams rebuild. Then can him a year later screams win now.


Just seems he doesn't really have a plan or direction.


I would have probably traded AA too. The question would be what was his market because he wasn't playing too good at the time.

Outside AA all our other assets can be moved in the offseason as well. I don't consider that a terrible decision. No need to be impatient.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#427 » by Fat Kat » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:38 pm

HerSports85 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/therealdocL/status/705058779935731712[/tweet]


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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#428 » by Knicksfan1992 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:39 pm

The same guys that want to rebuild wanted Phil to apparently build a team that was really good this year. Can't have it both ways fellas.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#429 » by Americafkya » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:40 pm

I'm happy that we struck out on free agents this season. At least any of the "big name ones". Lamarcus would have been nice, but that would have killed Porzingis' development. Monroe is gonna Monroe, and play no defense en route to making us even worse. Everyone else wasn't a game changer.

Caroll would have been a nice piece, but hard to blame Phil for "striking out" there, since he had the choice to be a key cog a 50 + win team, or the second option on a team coming off a 17 win season.

There were definitely a few complimentary pieces available like Lou Williams or average bench dudes like Bass, but these guys would have wanted long-term deals. I don't think that would have been a good decision. Phil is looking to splash big this off-season or break it up I think. He keeps talking about this season, but that is a BS front.

I think the situation going forward for us isn't as bleak as people think. This team is in the right situation to approach the fork in the road this offseason. We are either going to make a big splash and sign a free agent that really compliments this team(Conely, Teague, Derozan, Batum) and go into 2017 in a strong position, or we are going to strike out, deal Melo and still have all of our picks and cap intact.

I am happy that Phil has been patient. Look at the flip side of the coin....Phil signs better free agents from last season to multi-year deals, and makes a deal involving our first round pick to acquire teague this season's deadline. Now our roster is

Teague/Williams(just using Lou as an example of a solid vet we could have signed to make us better immediately)
Afflalo/Calderon
Melo/D williams
Porzingis/Thomas
Lopez/Zing/Serphina

That's a solid team but not one of 3 best teams in the East, and Teague would still have the chance to leave in the offseason. And I think Phil didn't realize how bad Calderon was going to be. So we would win maybe 40 games, spent an asset on a free agent that we don't have locked up, and be locked into more long-term money plus not have a pick.

That scenario would be much worse. If we pick a big name and a complimentary piece this off season, then not only will this team be a .500 squad or better, it will look great for the real big names coming up in 2017. If we don't, then we have our picks and cap intact to go into full rebuild plus whatever we get for Melo/Rolo.

This season was about improving on last season. Never about the playoffs. I feel like our start to the season changed expectations unrealistically. Phil hasn't been perfect, but we are still in a good situation.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#430 » by NOOB77 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:42 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
I think it makes sense to just rebuild. We have a 20 year old piece. We can move Melo, ROLO, and others to get additional picks. And we have all our 1st rounders after this year to rebuild with. Perfect time to rebuild.



If Phil wanted to rebuild then he should have moved some of these players at the deadline for future picks. I am sure we could have gotten a late first for AA from OKC.

It always seems Phil is working two plans at the same side. Win now by not trading our older assets AA, Melo ect.....And by not making trades to improve the current team like trading future picks for someone like Teague (not saying that is smart to trade the picks).

Mentor a young coach with no experience screams rebuild. Then can him a year later screams win now.


Just seems he doesn't really have a plan or direction.


I would have probably traded AA too. The question would be what was his market because he wasn't playing too good at the time.

Outside AA all our other assets can be moved in the offseason as well. I don't consider that a terrible decision. No need to be impatient.


I think we could have gotten something decent for AA. Probably late first from a contender.
I think we could have gotten something a couple seconds or something for DWill from a contender looking for bench scoring.
I also think Thomas could have gotten us something...
ECT.......

No reason to keep those guys it would have also opened up playing time for younger players. Just seems he was so focused on "buy" at the deadline and improving our current team for a "playoff run" that he missed a great chance to pile up some more assets for players that will not be apart of a rebuild. Like I said always seems to be working two plans.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#431 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:45 pm

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I think we could have gotten something decent for AA. Probably late first from a contender.
I think we could have gotten something a couple seconds or something for DWill from a contender looking for bench scoring.
I also think Thomas could have gotten us something...
ECT.......

No reason to keep those guys it would have also opened up playing time for younger players. Just seems he was so focused on "buy" at the deadline and improving our current team for a "playoff run" that he missed a great chance to pile up some more assets for players that will not be apart of a rebuild. Like I said always seems to be working two plans.


he very well might be working 2 plans. Which I don't consider a bad thing. Because what if by some miracle Durant did want to come. You do need to keep that door open.
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Post#432 » by will34 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:46 pm

This franchise is such a mess.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#433 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:48 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/705069237581185024[/tweet]

hopefully its wroten
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Post#434 » by Knicksfan1992 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:50 pm

will34 wrote:This franchise is such a mess.


Nah this board's/Ny Media/Fans gross overreactions to things is what the mess is. The long term state of the Franchise is actually quite stable from a non team hoodwinked objective point of view.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#435 » by Knicksfan1992 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:51 pm

mpharris36 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/705069237581185024[/tweet]

hopefully its wroten


Was always going to be a placeholder/fan appeaser until the buyout/waiver market finalized.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#436 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:53 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:The same guys that want to rebuild wanted Phil to apparently build a team that was really good this year. Can't have it both ways fellas.

Not me. I always expected us to be trash this year. In the offseason threads, I had us at 28-32 wins depending on Melo's health. I expected a slightly better version of the team we've been seeing during this 18 game stretch. I knew that we wouldn't go from 17 wins to playoffs...that rarely ever happens. I would love for us to start rebuilding through the draft if we strike out this offseason, and the 2017 draft is a great place to start.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#437 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:53 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/705069237581185024[/tweet]

hopefully its wroten


Was always going to be a placeholder/fan appeaser until the buyout/waiver market finalized.


it seemed like a backfire because the fans almost had a mutiny last night :lol:
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#438 » by NOOB77 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:57 pm

mpharris36 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/705069237581185024[/tweet]

hopefully its wroten



Or Ray McCallum.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#439 » by prophet_of_rage » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:57 pm

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NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Honestly, what did u expect? We were coming off of 17 wins, Melo had missed half the season, and KP was seen as an unknown project. Who did u really think was coming here? If u were penciling in Marc Gasol, Draymond Green, or LMA into your starting lineups while we were winning less than 20 games, then you were just fooling yourself. I guess u can say that we missed out on Monroe, but that's actually a good thing. If he was here right now not playing any defense, y'all would be sh*tting on Phil for having signed him. Monroe doesn't even start these days...


If you were at all reading my posts last year I told you guys no one was coming and that it was a pipe dream. But keep on with the fight against reality.

So then why are u mad at Phil if u thought that no one was going to come here, and then no one actually came?


Is this a serious question? Well either you've never read any of posts since Phil was signed or you're ignoring them.
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Re: PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus 

Post#440 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:59 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/705069237581185024[/tweet]

hopefully its wroten



Or Ray McCallum.


possibly but he really doesn't help the penetrating issue
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