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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#81 » by ChosenSavior » Tue Mar 1, 2016 7:49 pm

Mario gonna get another shot at a starting gig since it seems Evan will not play tonight against the Mavericks.
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#82 » by seeingstars » Tue Mar 1, 2016 8:32 pm

Mario is the future
The future is bright 8-) Payton said. ``I just want to keep getting better and maybe one day I can be the all-time all assists leader for the Magic.’’
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#83 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Mar 1, 2016 9:12 pm

SaberT wrote:His passing and vision is really good, I'd dare to say one of the best on the team. Payton's passing is great as well but in my opinion Hezonja's passing may be more spectacular, Payton does clean effective passing but it rarely wows you. Mind you, I am not saying Mario is a better passer than Payton.

My impression is that Hezonja still struggles with reading the limits of his teammates. This is why he sometimes throws a hard pass toward butter fingers Dedmon or similar. With more playing time, he'd get better feel for his teammates, they'd know to expect the unexpected from him (passing wise) and he could help this team going forward.

I'm looking forward to tonight. Mario will probably get second start of his career and I'm hoping he will be less jittery tonight. I'm predicting a career high for him.


Yeah.. I feel like there are just moments where he sees it and immediately reacts. Sometimes it wasn't a gauge of the receivers skillset.... a lot of the times it deals with their awareness of the current situation or just plain weren't putting the effort he was expecting to get to that spot (lax jogging up the court). In the Rising star game there were a few "errant passes" that i could easily see were catchable and convertible for an easy basket if the player probably played at the same intensity level that Mario could envision as an advantage in the situation.

That said.... This is where i can easily see victor and more specifically AIRGORDON excelling with Mario on the court.
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#84 » by rmfc » Tue Mar 1, 2016 10:10 pm

How has Mario been performing lately?
I'm going to guess that the Pistons have an eye on one of Fournier/Hezonja.
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#85 » by OrlandO » Tue Mar 1, 2016 10:21 pm

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cedric76 wrote:Ok you are happy, he got pt. So what now? Do we carry on with this 'great shooter' that can't score open shot??
He isn't ready yet, lets hope he 'll be better next season

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This is what is so asinine about people who think Mario shouldn't be getting more playing time.

They think if he's given minutes that he should be playing at his full potential. :banghead:

C'mon cedric. You should be better than this. It's not about him being 100% ready now to fulfill all his promise. It's about him getting the chance to get better in live games. It's about speeding up his development. At worst, it's not like we're risking winning games because he's playing more minutes. So I don't even buy the "we're trying to win now, that's why he needs to be benched" mantra.

Cedric is french and has a big boner for Fournier. Mario is a threat to that boner.
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#86 » by Dennis Reynolds » Tue Mar 1, 2016 10:30 pm

OrlandO wrote:
Skin wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Ok you are happy, he got pt. So what now? Do we carry on with this 'great shooter' that can't score open shot??
He isn't ready yet, lets hope he 'll be better next season

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This is what is so asinine about people who think Mario shouldn't be getting more playing time.

They think if he's given minutes that he should be playing at his full potential. :banghead:

C'mon cedric. You should be better than this. It's not about him being 100% ready now to fulfill all his promise. It's about him getting the chance to get better in live games. It's about speeding up his development. At worst, it's not like we're risking winning games because he's playing more minutes. So I don't even buy the "we're trying to win now, that's why he needs to be benched" mantra.

Cedric is french and has a big boner for Fournier. Mario is a threat to that boner.


Do you know cedric is French for a fact or are you just making a guess based on his nickname?
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#87 » by Skin » Wed Mar 2, 2016 12:14 am

rmfc wrote:How has Mario been performing lately?
I'm going to guess that the Pistons have an eye on one of Fournier/Hezonja.

Whacha gon give us?
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#88 » by tooler » Wed Mar 2, 2016 12:46 am

rmfc wrote:How has Mario been performing lately?
I'm going to guess that the Pistons have an eye on one of Fournier/Hezonja.

I remember there was a rumor Stan wanted Fournier as well as Tobias in a bigger deal, but Orlando didn't want to move him. Do they even have cap space to make a run at Evan this summer?

I actually feel bad for Mario when I remember his family were hoping he'd be drafted by Detroit. With the bench and injuries this season, he'd have as many minutes and shots as he could handle. Oh well, he'll take his rightful place here eventually.
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#89 » by KillMonger » Wed Mar 2, 2016 3:48 pm

More insight on Skiles mindset on how he's handling Mario

Magic coach Scott Skiles made it clear early that Hezonja will earn minutes with his defense. Earlier this season, Skiles lamented Hezonja's lack of defensive focus—that it took him too long to lock in—costing the Magic dearly on the scoreboard. Asked last week if that was still an issue for the rookie, Skiles simply replied, "Yes."

"What we're trying to do with him is, for lack of a better way of phrasing it, is bring him up the right way," Skiles said last week. "That's what we're trying to do. There's no entitlement minutes. As long as I'm the coach, there will be no entitlement minutes. He's going to have to earn them, and that's what we're trying to impress upon him."


I mean he was drafted for his offense, he's a shooter that's his bread and butter sure he can do more but shooting is well supposed to be his strength......but yeah lets STRICTLY base his minutes off of how he does defensively ONLY! no matter what he does on the offensive end.......that being said i do get the idea skiles is going for but maybe now it makes sense why there are hardly any plays ran for him because skiles only wants to evaluate him defensively
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#90 » by Mc-o » Wed Mar 2, 2016 3:52 pm

Immature Luigi wrote:More insight on Skiles mindset on how he's handling Mario

Magic coach Scott Skiles made it clear early that Hezonja will earn minutes with his defense. Earlier this season, Skiles lamented Hezonja's lack of defensive focus—that it took him too long to lock in—costing the Magic dearly on the scoreboard. Asked last week if that was still an issue for the rookie, Skiles simply replied, "Yes."

"What we're trying to do with him is, for lack of a better way of phrasing it, is bring him up the right way," Skiles said last week. "That's what we're trying to do. There's no entitlement minutes. As long as I'm the coach, there will be no entitlement minutes. He's going to have to earn them, and that's what we're trying to impress upon him."


I mean he was drafted for his offense, he's a shooter that's his bread and butter sure he can do more but shooting is well supposed to be his strength......but yeah lets STRICTLY base his minutes off of how he does defensively ONLY! no matter what he does on the offensive end.......that being said i do get the idea skiles is going for but maybe now it makes sense why there are hardly any plays ran for him because skiles only wants to evaluate him defensively

I dont have a problem with Skiles challenging Mario to become a two way player. Especially because it is critical for us that he becomes a two way player. Lately our offense has not been a problem it is our defense .
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#91 » by OrlChamps2030 » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:04 pm

Immature Luigi wrote:More insight on Skiles mindset on how he's handling Mario

Magic coach Scott Skiles made it clear early that Hezonja will earn minutes with his defense. Earlier this season, Skiles lamented Hezonja's lack of defensive focus—that it took him too long to lock in—costing the Magic dearly on the scoreboard. Asked last week if that was still an issue for the rookie, Skiles simply replied, "Yes."

"What we're trying to do with him is, for lack of a better way of phrasing it, is bring him up the right way," Skiles said last week. "That's what we're trying to do. There's no entitlement minutes. As long as I'm the coach, there will be no entitlement minutes. He's going to have to earn them, and that's what we're trying to impress upon him."


I mean he was drafted for his offense, he's a shooter that's his bread and butter sure he can do more but shooting is well supposed to be his strength......but yeah lets STRICTLY base his minutes off of how he does defensively ONLY! no matter what he does on the offensive end.......that being said i do get the idea skiles is going for but maybe now it makes sense why there are hardly any plays ran for him because skiles only wants to evaluate him defensively



mario seems like one of those guys who will show more defensively if he gets it going offensively. which skiles isnt letting happen with how short his leash is
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#92 » by tiderulz » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:12 pm

Mc-o wrote:
Immature Luigi wrote:More insight on Skiles mindset on how he's handling Mario

Magic coach Scott Skiles made it clear early that Hezonja will earn minutes with his defense. Earlier this season, Skiles lamented Hezonja's lack of defensive focus—that it took him too long to lock in—costing the Magic dearly on the scoreboard. Asked last week if that was still an issue for the rookie, Skiles simply replied, "Yes."

"What we're trying to do with him is, for lack of a better way of phrasing it, is bring him up the right way," Skiles said last week. "That's what we're trying to do. There's no entitlement minutes. As long as I'm the coach, there will be no entitlement minutes. He's going to have to earn them, and that's what we're trying to impress upon him."


I mean he was drafted for his offense, he's a shooter that's his bread and butter sure he can do more but shooting is well supposed to be his strength......but yeah lets STRICTLY base his minutes off of how he does defensively ONLY! no matter what he does on the offensive end.......that being said i do get the idea skiles is going for but maybe now it makes sense why there are hardly any plays ran for him because skiles only wants to evaluate him defensively

I dont have a problem with Skiles challenging Mario to become a two way player. Especially because it is critical for us that he becomes a two way player. Lately our offense has not been a problem it is our defense .

how about our other non-2way players? Fournier isnt great on D. Payton not a 2-way player on offense, Gordon not really either.

Dipo is the closest thing we have to a 2-way player
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#93 » by Mc-o » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:30 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Mc-o wrote:
Immature Luigi wrote:More insight on Skiles mindset on how he's handling Mario



I mean he was drafted for his offense, he's a shooter that's his bread and butter sure he can do more but shooting is well supposed to be his strength......but yeah lets STRICTLY base his minutes off of how he does defensively ONLY! no matter what he does on the offensive end.......that being said i do get the idea skiles is going for but maybe now it makes sense why there are hardly any plays ran for him because skiles only wants to evaluate him defensively

I dont have a problem with Skiles challenging Mario to become a two way player. Especially because it is critical for us that he becomes a two way player. Lately our offense has not been a problem it is our defense .

how about our other non-2way players? Fournier isnt great on D. Payton not a 2-way player on offense, Gordon not really either.

Dipo is the closest thing we have to a 2-way player
We have no better option than payton right now. Gordon is not a liability on offense because he usually gets put backs and has been pretty decent lately on offense. Fournier is not A great defender but he is far better than hezonja at the moment,. And do not forget Hezonja is the teams rookie and actually has the highest potential to become a two way player and at this point Hezonja is still considered a liability on defense hence the reasons teams usually try to go right at him when he is in the game.
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#94 » by KillMonger » Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:51 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
SaberT wrote:His passing and vision is really good, I'd dare to say one of the best on the team. Payton's passing is great as well but in my opinion Hezonja's passing may be more spectacular, Payton does clean effective passing but it rarely wows you. Mind you, I am not saying Mario is a better passer than Payton.

My impression is that Hezonja still struggles with reading the limits of his teammates. This is why he sometimes throws a hard pass toward butter fingers Dedmon or similar. With more playing time, he'd get better feel for his teammates, they'd know to expect the unexpected from him (passing wise) and he could help this team going forward.

I'm looking forward to tonight. Mario will probably get second start of his career and I'm hoping he will be less jittery tonight. I'm predicting a career high for him.


Yeah.. I feel like there are just moments where he sees it and immediately reacts. Sometimes it wasn't a gauge of the receivers skillset.... a lot of the times it deals with their awareness of the current situation or just plain weren't putting the effort he was expecting to get to that spot (lax jogging up the court). In the Rising star game there were a few "errant passes" that i could easily see were catchable and convertible for an easy basket if the player probably played at the same intensity level that Mario could envision as an advantage in the situation.

That said.... This is where i can easily see victor and more specifically AIRGORDON excelling with Mario on the court.

I'd say that Elfrid is a more of a read and react type of passer and mario is more instinctual, with Mario you'll probably hear the term "He has a good feel for the game" and he does. When mario made that lob pass to dedmon off the pick and roll the other day it was instantaneous, he didn't think about it he just knew that Dedmon was going to be open and just made the pass. A lot of players said that they were point guard when they were younger but with Mario i believe it, he definitely has some point guard skills and it could be great going forward........Hedo 3.0?
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#95 » by zelenooq » Wed Mar 2, 2016 7:21 pm

Mario has problem with fast benching, so that's why he thinks a lot while he play and make this way game faster for him,not slower
A specially if he make first mistake
Yesterday he play really well until second foul and than he stopped
Skiles moves him out, what is move by book but for me not move of psychological because hezonja scared of that
When he comes back he start to play soft, because with 3rd foul he would be benched again
And since that there were scared unsecured mario
But he shouldn't blame skiles, he is what he is
He should look at AG
With 4 fouls he still play hard and aggressive
Ok he makes 5th but he helped team with aggressive defense
Mario should play his game,to be best as he can and if skiles bench him for one or two mistakes it's up to him to blame him
Stop to think about mistakes or he will be eaten
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#96 » by OrlandoDream » Wed Mar 2, 2016 7:26 pm

Another chance for Mario tonight. He needs to come out strong like he did in his first starting game. Kid also needs to be smarter on those fouls. We were doing great yesterday and when he picked up the second, it all went to hell. Needs to play smarter and find a way to stay on the floor. As soon as Mario goes out, that awful two PG lineup comes in. After that, the game was over. Mavs just abused us the rest of the way.
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#97 » by Magic_Kingdom » Fri Mar 4, 2016 2:19 pm

Myles Turner just won Rookie of the Month and is looking really good. Hit a game-winner vs. OKC a few weeks ago. How good can he be? I remember a few people advocating for him at #5 before the draft. Even if Mario becomes a solid player, will Turner be the one that got away for Hennigan? Too early to tell, but I like him a lot.
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#98 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Mar 4, 2016 2:25 pm

OrlandoDream wrote:Another chance for Mario tonight. He needs to come out strong like he did in his first starting game. Kid also needs to be smarter on those fouls. We were doing great yesterday and when he picked up the second, it all went to hell. Needs to play smarter and find a way to stay on the floor. As soon as Mario goes out, that awful two PG lineup comes in. After that, the game was over. Mavs just abused us the rest of the way.


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Post#99 » by MoMM » Fri Mar 4, 2016 3:54 pm

Immature Luigi wrote:I'd say that Elfrid is a more of a read and react type of passer and mario is more instinctual, with Mario you'll probably hear the term "He has a good feel for the game" and he does. When mario made that lob pass to dedmon off the pick and roll the other day it was instantaneous, he didn't think about it he just knew that Dedmon was going to be open and just made the pass. A lot of players said that they were point guard when they were younger but with Mario i believe it, he definitely has some point guard skills and it could be great going forward........Hedo 3.0?

I'd say he is more like Manu Ginobili, but remember that Manu came to the NBA as a 25 year-old player and European League MVP and World Cup silver medal.
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Re: Let's Talk About Mario 

Post#100 » by KillMonger » Fri Mar 4, 2016 3:56 pm

Magic_Kingdom wrote:Myles Turner just won Rookie of the Month and is looking really good. Hit a game-winner vs. OKC a few weeks ago. How good can he be? I remember a few people advocating for him at #5 before the draft. Even if Mario becomes a solid player, will Turner be the one that got away for Hennigan? Too early to tell, but I like him a lot.

i doubt turner was that high for hennigan but at this point whats done is done
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