Nets Buyout Joe Johnson (Page 4)

[NyCeEvO]

Everyone is talking past each other.

HB is not saying that JJ didn't carry us in the playoffs. He's saying that he doesn't think JJ should get as much credit for that entire playoff run as he's received. It's indisputable that Joe carried us. He's questioning whether 100% of the credit should go to JJ or if we should also recognize the sizable contributions by others.

Everyone is making a mountain of a mole hill.

[MrDollarBills]

Everyone contributed except for Deron.

Joe was just the engine that made the ship move. he was clearly the best player on the floor next to Lowry.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Johnson was the best player on the team from ASB to the final minutes of our Miami loss in the 2nd rd. If you're going to sit here and lie about Paul Pierce carrying the Nets that season we'll end it here, because clearly you have an agenda.

Ok. And Paul Pierce was the one who made the game winner in the Toronto series.

Pierce showed leadership and turned the franchise around. Why is it that when Pierce left the Nets became terrible? And why is it that when he went to the Wizards they became much better? And then why is it then when he left they also sucked?

Johnson took this team nowhere. He averaged 15 points a game in 2014. Stop overhyping him. He played ok. But he showed a lack of leadership and didn't play like we expected him to.

Pierce hit a game winner but if Johnson did not dominate Derozan and Ross the entire series the Nets would have lost.

Pierce averaged 13ppg in the regular season and the same in the playoffs. Johnson averaged 15 in the reg season and 20+ in the playoffs. How is that a lack of leadership? I'm posting facts and you're just posting nonsense that can't be quantified.

Am I dismissing what pierce gave us? Nope. But to say that on the court he was a bigger factor over Joe Johnson is silly and comical. Chill with your agenda. Yeah Johnson fell apart last year and this year. He's over 30 and isn't very athletic or mobile. Even if pierce was still here this team would still be ass.

21/4/3 62%TS 20.3PER in the playoffs. you subtract that from the Nets that season and they're done in 4 games.

I'm not trying to be insulting, but I really wonder if you guys are even reading what I'm saying.

Nobody is denying that Joe Johnson was our best player. What I am saying is that he did exhibit leadership or show a commitment to winning while he was on the Nets.

Yes he had a great playoffs that one year in 2014. Even during that time do I think he was the leader of our team? No, in fact I remember the newspapers in Toronto running articles with Pierce's image on them.

So sure Joe Johnson had a great stretch in the playoffs. And yes there were times when he played really well. But do I think he showed a commitment to winning the 4 seasons he was here? Do I think he gave his all every night?

No. I don't think a player getting paid 22 million in the prime of his career should be averaging 15-16 points a game. And last year and this year he played absolutely terrible. IDK wtf happened to him this year specifically.

But was there any point in time where I ever thought Joe Johnson cared that we were losing? Or made any real effort to change it like Jason Kidd would?

No I don't. And I don't think you can dispute that.

[Hello Brooklyn]

No, he just carried the team from all star break and into the post season playing the best basketball of his Nets career in 2013-14...but he didn't care

You must have him confused with D-Will.

LOL carried the team? It was very obvious who was carrying the team in the playoffs. Yes he was playing well, but he wasn't the leader of the team. And having a great post all-star break isn't a great season. He got paid 22 million to average 15 points a game. You're actually impressed by that?

When Pierce left, we became a 38 win team. This year we'll be lucky to even win 30. What do you attribute that to? Johnson's amazing leadership.

Give me a break. Stop being so satisfied with mediocrity. JJ was just ok for this franchise.

if you cant admit joe carried us in the playoffs you are either just trolling or didnt watch the playoffs that season.

joe wasnt as good as most hoped, but he wasnt awful, and it wasnt tough to justify a decline he had given he was top 10 in the nba in minutes at ages 34,35,36 with this team.

im fine with joe as a net. im glad with what we got out of him. to me you cant lump him with deron/wallace/brook as far as disappointments

The leader of the Brooklyn Nets in 2014 was Paul Pierce. It wasn't Joe Johnson. Pierce was the one who exhibited the qualities of a leader. Pierce was the one who was vocal. Pierce was the one who they put on covers on newspapers. Pierce was the one who made the game winning block in Toronto.

Yes Johnson was the better player. But he was not a leader. And he never will be. And he never did anything in his time on the Nets to show leadership skills or that he really cared how much we have sucked for the past 2 years.

Nobody is saying he was awful. But people are seriously over glorifying his tenure here. I thought he was ok. No I don't lump him with Deron/Brook. And the fact that you mentioned Lopez is pretty insane.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I can't believe this is still a discussion. We get swept quite easily without JJ in the postseason. Deron showed up in two games against the Raptors. He checked out against Miami.

Yes, Pierce made key moments to help us win but we could also extend that thought process to everyone in league history. Ray Allen would deserve credit over LeBron against San Antonio for hitting the corner three. Doesn't work that way. The game has a flow and we have absolutely no shot at winning without JJ torching the Raptors backcourt. Nobody is saying JJ was some all-time great but let's stop being childish and admit he wasn't a malcontent like Deron Williams, he wasn't injury prone like Brook and he wasn't a half hearted "star" like Pierce who never invested himself into this franchise and still remained hung up on Boston. He legitimately invested himself into the franchise and genuinely tried to win. He put pride in wearing our jersey.

He legitimately invested himself in the franchise?

Were you asleep for the past two years? Where Joe Johnson has been God awful. Watch how much better he plays in Miami. Just wait. You're gonna start seeing things you didn't see all year.

But somehow getting paid 22 million to average 15 or 16 points a year is "investing yourself." Give me a break man.

[MrDollarBills]

well to be fair, Joe was playing better in February. BUT....If he starts averaging 20+ ppg on the Heat then I'll concede your point

[NyCeEvO]

well to be fair, Joe was playing better in February. BUT....If he starts averaging 20+ ppg on the Heat then I'll concede your point

How would that prove anything though?

Miami has a plethora of weapons that we never had, with the exception of the one season under Kidd. He's benefiting from being the 3rd option on that team.

[MrDollarBills]

Joe was also shooting very poorly until last month. So I would chalk up some measured good play in Miami to him rounding into form. He's always been a slow starter during the season.

[NyCeEvO]

Joe was also shooting very poorly until last month. So I would chalk up some measured good play in Miami to him rounding into form. He's always been a slow starter during the season.

That happens with age.

Remember Pierce started off the year terribly with us but I knew that he'd turn it around once he got enough games under his belt. And he sure did.

[MrDollarBills]

Joe was also shooting very poorly until last month. So I would chalk up some measured good play in Miami to him rounding into form. He's always been a slow starter during the season.

That happens with age.

Remember Pierce started off the year terribly with us but I knew that he'd turn it around once he got enough games under his belt. And he sure did.

Yeah Pierce was injured as well if I'm not mistaken.

Here's my thing, if Joe reverts into Joe Jesus 2013-14 I will be livid. But smart money says he won't.

[NyCeEvO]

Joe was also shooting very poorly until last month. So I would chalk up some measured good play in Miami to him rounding into form. He's always been a slow starter during the season.

That happens with age.

Remember Pierce started off the year terribly with us but I knew that he'd turn it around once he got enough games under his belt. And he sure did.

Yeah Pierce was injured as well if I'm not mistaken.

Here's my thing, if Joe reverts into Joe Jesus 2013-14 I will be livid. But smart money says he won't.

I understand your feelings but what can you do. He wanted to leave (on good terms) and got his wish.

In a similar manner to D-Will, once you're gone from the team I don't really care how you're doing.

[Prokorov]

The leader of the Brooklyn Nets in 2014 was Paul Pierce. It wasn't Joe Johnson. Pierce was the one who exhibited the qualities of a leader. Pierce was the one who was vocal. Pierce was the one who they put on covers on newspapers. Pierce was the one who made the game winning block in Toronto.

Yes Johnson was the better player. But he was not a leader. And he never will be. And he never did anything in his time on the Nets to show leadership skills or that he really cared how much we have sucked for the past 2 years.

Nobody is saying he was awful. But people are seriously over glorifying his tenure here. I thought he was ok. No I don't lump him with Deron/Brook. And the fact that you mentioned Lopez is pretty insane.

being a leader is nice... but give me the guy who actually puts the team on his back in games and leads them to wins. its nice pierce had catchy quotes, but ill take joe destroying the raptors in the playoffs 1000 times out of 1000.

what exactly is wrong with mentioning lopez? he missed the entire season basically the year we beat toronto. how did brook help us make it to the second round? joe has been top 10 in minutes and top 10 in games played since he came to the nets. and he crushed it in the playoffs.

[kamaze]

Joe was only 1 player no he wasn't a leader so what most players aren't and Joe's the quiet type. That's why they brought in Pierce, KG and had Livingston. After they let Pierce go Joe said the team would miss him. They also let Livingston walk who is a tough leader and put the team back in the hands of you know who.
The team was disfunctional his entire time here.

I don't blame him for not choosing Cleveland. If Lebron doesn't like him he wouldn't be re-signed whether they won it all or not and most likely they won't. Can't blame him for wanting to be with a stable team where he could have fun he knew some of the players before he went there. No doubt that had something to do with his decision.