Parsons coming home?

[tooler]

actually you said he would opt out and take a 1+1....which means that Dallas could not sign him over their salary cap and it also means that his cap hold of $24 million would eat up a big chunk of their cap space until he resigned.

I don't see this anywhere in my post. I said he would opt out because it would be stupid or risky not to. I said he could take a 1+1 on any team in the league if he doesn't want to lock in 4 years now.

I couldn't care less about what it means for Dallas. Chandler Parsons doesn't either.

[ezzzp]

actually you said he would opt out and take a 1+1....which means that Dallas could not sign him over their salary cap and it also means that his cap hold of $24 million would eat up a big chunk of their cap space until he resigned.

I don't see this anywhere in my post. I said he would opt out because it would be stupid or risky not to. I said he could take a 1+1 on any team in the league if he doesn't want to lock in 4 years now.

I couldn't care less about what it means for Dallas. Chandler Parsons doesn't either.

Of course thats what you meant

If Chandler opts out and signs with another team for a 1+1 that costs him his Bird Rights...now that is stupid as it costs him millions. So I'm guessing Chandler does care.

Not only that but that 1+1 maneuver is only slightly less risky than just opting in with Dallas, big deal he ensures one more year...but loses millions (you know those bolded red numbers you thought were funny - go take a glance and see what the difference is).

[tooler]

Of course thats what you meant

Now I'm confused. Is there a language barrier here? My statements are pretty straightforward.

If Chandler opts out and signs with another team for a 1+1 that costs him his Bird Rights...now that is stupid as it costs him millions. So I'm guessing Chandler does care.

Sure, like I said, if he has an under-the-table guarantee from Cuban that he'll get a 5-year max next season, then it would be smart to opt-in. That's fine when you're a young superstar like Kawhi, but it's pretty risky if you're a tier below that. What if you get injured? What if Cuban changes his mind or plays hardball? Then you have to sign elsewhere and you lost the $7M for 2016-2017.

We've seen that some players are willing to give up some money long-term for the security of an already-enormous payday. It wasn't "stupid" for Anthony Davis to sign a 5-year extension last summer. He simply decided that was the best way to go. We can't ascribe perfect economic efficiency to people staring at a hundred million dollars.

Not only that but that 1+1 maneuver is only slightly less risky than just opting in with Dallas, big deal he ensures one more year...but loses millions (you know those bolded red numbers you thought were funny - go take a glance and see what the difference is).

I've looked at your bolded numbers. And I saw that you were comparing apples to oranges to grapes. If Parsons takes a 4 year max with another team now, what would he earn in 20-21 and 21-22, the last two years of your 6-year hypothetical scenario that might not even happen? What would the cap be at that point? What if he could make $80 million in those two years? Then he's made a little bit more than your scenario. Maybe he wouldn't since he's a sub-superstar and he'll be 31 by then. But barring injury, it's not like he'll be out on the street.

Again, compare apples to apples. Remember that the only 100% guaranteed deal is the 4/98 he could take this year by opting out. He could get that if he wanted it. It's right there. One hundred million dollars, with plenty of productive years left after that. Opting in or signing a 1+1 adds different kinds of risk.

[ezzzp]

Of course thats what you meant

Now I'm confused. Is there a language barrier here? My statements are pretty straightforward.

If Chandler opts out and signs with another team for a 1+1 that costs him his Bird Rights...now that is stupid as it costs him millions. So I'm guessing Chandler does care.

Sure, like I said, if he has an under-the-table guarantee from Cuban that he'll get a 5-year max next season, then it would be smart to opt-in. That's fine when you're a young superstar like Kawhi, but it's pretty risky if you're a tier below that. What if you get injured? What if Cuban changes his mind or plays hardball? Then you have to sign elsewhere and you lost the $7M for 2016-2017.

We've seen that some players are willing to give up some money long-term for the security of an already-enormous payday. It wasn't "stupid" for Anthony Davis to sign a 5-year extension last summer. He simply decided that was the best way to go. We can't ascribe perfect economic efficiency to people staring at a hundred million dollars.

Not only that but that 1+1 maneuver is only slightly less risky than just opting in with Dallas, big deal he ensures one more year...but loses millions (you know those bolded red numbers you thought were funny - go take a glance and see what the difference is).

I've looked at your bolded numbers. And I saw that you were comparing apples to oranges to grapes. If Parsons takes a 4 year max with another team now, what would he earn in 20-21 and 21-22, the last two years of your 6-year hypothetical scenario that might not even happen? What would the cap be at that point? What if he could make $80 million in those two years? Then he's made a little bit more than your scenario. Maybe he wouldn't since he's a sub-superstar and he'll be 31 by then. But barring injury, it's not like he'll be out on the street.

Again, compare apples to apples. Remember that the only 100% guaranteed deal is the 4/98 he could take this year by opting out. He could get that if he wanted it. It's right there. One hundred million dollars, with plenty of productive years left after that. Opting in or signing a 1+1 adds different kinds of risk.

Wow - Language barrier? Resorting to Trump strategies - what a joke. I'd destroy what you just said, but no need to waste any more time on garbage.

[tooler]

Lots of moldy oranges and grapes in this garbage here.

Ending the conversation here is probably for the best. Weren't you the guy who was pulling for Dedmon to start next to Vucevic for about 3 months? I think you have more stamina than me!

We'll just have to see what happens with Parsons.

[ezzzp]

EDITweren't you the one crying like a little child about players making so much money and that you were going to stop watching organized sports? have fun at your KKK rallies...everyone is going to miss you - especially those millionaires


MOD EDIT - Unnecessary. Let's disagree about topics without name calling.

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[No-Man]

Parsons is much better playing as a PF surrounded with a lob threat at C that covers him defensively, and shooters in the perimeter, you dont have the guys to make that happen unless you trade half of the team.
I dont really see it making much sense, he is in another age range and he is going to want a full max, which is about 23-24m$ per, for a guy with his injury issues and all that, I wont be happy as an Orlando fan if they bring him in.

[OrlandoDream]

Parsons is much better playing as a PF surrounded with a lob threat at C that covers him defensively, and shooters in the perimeter, you dont have the guys to make that happen unless you trade half of the team.
I dont really see it making much sense, he is in another age range and he is going to want a full max, which is about 23-24m$ per, for a guy with his injury issues and all that,I [b]I wont be happy as an Orlando fan if they bring him in.[\b]

Wishful thinking. Your trying to convince yourself more then anyone else. Majority of the fan base would love to have the hometown boy Parsons. And the other age range thing is a plus. As a young team, one of our goals is to get older. Chandler would be a great complement to our young guys. It's a perfect fit.

[PennytoShaq]

No. He takes time away from Mario who will probably end up being our SF of the Future.

You may be right, but I think Mario ends up at SG long term. He is a natural 2 and also does better on defense when he is matched up on guards. This is one reason Skiles was rolling him out at PG in some rotations.

If the Magic keep Oladipo, Elf and Fournier, Mario will end up being a 3. I think SF's are usually the best secondary ball handlers which would fit with Mario's handles. In addition, Mario's size is suited for SF more than PG. I think SG's are too quick for Mario to defend. I really haven't seen Mario play SG as much in Orlando, but mainly SF and sometimes PG because when he is on the court, he is with a PG (Elf/Watson/Jennings) and a SG (Fournier/Oladipo).

Well last night Skiles crossmatched so Mario could guard the SG and Oladipo had to guard Parsons. SG's are definitely not too quick for Mario to defend. He matches up very well with them and does better than against SFs. This is why Skiles made that decision. Just watch last night game and you will see it, in fact the announcers even mentioned it.

[BadMofoPimp]

You may be right, but I think Mario ends up at SG long term. He is a natural 2 and also does better on defense when he is matched up on guards. This is one reason Skiles was rolling him out at PG in some rotations.

If the Magic keep Oladipo, Elf and Fournier, Mario will end up being a 3. I think SF's are usually the best secondary ball handlers which would fit with Mario's handles. In addition, Mario's size is suited for SF more than PG. I think SG's are too quick for Mario to defend. I really haven't seen Mario play SG as much in Orlando, but mainly SF and sometimes PG because when he is on the court, he is with a PG (Elf/Watson/Jennings) and a SG (Fournier/Oladipo).

Well last night Skiles crossmatched so Mario could guard the SG and Oladipo had to guard Parsons. SG's are definitely not too quick for Mario to defend. He matches up very well with them and does better than against SFs. This is why Skiles made that decision. Just watch last night game and you will see it, in fact the announcers even mentioned it.

True. Mario is still young, skinny and learning. I am sure by the time he is 23-25 years old, he will be bigger and evolved into a long term SF.

[Hogified05]

I like me some Elf. Hard working and seems like a good kid. I think however we gave up on the Oladipo at PG too soon. I think Vic is more then capable of running the PG now. If you slide Vic over to the PG its a whole new world for lineups.

Vic
Mario
Parsons
AG
Vuc

I think Parsons would become a Hedo type and handle the ball mostly anyways.

[King Close]

I like me some Elf. Hard working and seems like a good kid. I think however we gave up on the Oladipo at PG too soon. I think Vic is more then capable of running the PG now. If you slide Vic over to the PG its a whole new world for lineups.

Vic
Mario
Parsons
AG
Vuc

I think Parsons would become a Hedo type and handle the ball mostly anyways.

Victor at the PG works, but it isn't good. He can play it for short amounts of time, but being the primary shot-creator just isn't his thing, and he's played PG quite a bit in his career, not sure if we gave up on it too soon (I think we gave up on it to late)... Majority of his rookie year he was the PG, and he's played it numerous times since then.

[cedric76]

It s really a shame that we couldn't make dipo our poor version of Westbrook

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[MagicFan32]

oh sure, let's overpay for b and c free agents
that'll work.

oh look the "magic connection" that works so well for us doesn't it?

#NoMoreMagicConnections

[Gordon]

Parsons is nice offensive asset to have, but he is not go-to-guy, and he is minus defender. With his injury history, signing him at max or near max would be cringe worthy.

[Hogified05]

Parsons is nice offensive asset to have, but he is not go-to-guy, and he is minus defender. With his injury history, signing him at max or near max would be cringe worthy.

He has only been hurt once that I can remember and that was last year that bled into this year, his knee. But he is playing great ball now seems to be over it. I just like the fact that he would want to be here, he would be motivated to do it for the city. Again if we sign him I'd be happy and if we don't I am cool with it too.

I'd like to see this young group at least get a fair shake next year at the playoffs, before they panic and deal everyone. I just don't know if Elf and Dipo can play together. I hope I'm wrong and they kill it next year.

[ralphie9898]

It was mentioned in another thread but why would Parsons opt out of his contract? It is basically the perfect storm of bad timing for Parsons to opt out.

Uh money? Even if he stays he would be wise to opt out and get paid more.

[ralphie9898]

It was mentioned in another thread but why would Parsons opt out of his contract? It is basically the perfect storm of bad timing for Parsons to opt out.

The cap is going to skyrocket next year. Read 20 teams will have max capabilities. He is playing the best stretch of ball in his career at 27. Not too mention in my eyes not a deep Free Agent class, top heavy. Makes sense to opt out to me.

The cap is going to spike each of the next two seasons before (hopefully) leveling out.

Guys like Lebron or possibly even Durant are expected to sign one year deals with players options for more so they can opt out in 2017 for even more.

For a guy like Parsons who doesn't have the leverage of a Lebron, it might make sense to wait one more year when ALL contracts are even higher and grab a long term deal. Then again, how much money does a young guy really need? Grabbing the money while its on the table might be too good to pass on.

Yeah but than you also risk injury or a drop in production. We will have to just wait and see.

[LBPTarHeel27]

The cap is going to skyrocket next year. Read 20 teams will have max capabilities. He is playing the best stretch of ball in his career at 27. Not too mention in my eyes not a deep Free Agent class, top heavy. Makes sense to opt out to me.

The cap is going to spike each of the next two seasons before (hopefully) leveling out.

Guys like Lebron or possibly even Durant are expected to sign one year deals with players options for more so they can opt out in 2017 for even more.

For a guy like Parsons who doesn't have the leverage of a Lebron, it might make sense to wait one more year when ALL contracts are even higher and grab a long term deal. Then again, how much money does a young guy really need? Grabbing the money while its on the table might be too good to pass on.

Yeah but than you also risk injury or a drop in production. We will have to just wait and see.

Injury and drop in production...so exactly what he has gone through this year?