2015-16 German Bundesliga Discussion Thread II

[Det the Threat]

It was really nice to see Hazard re-establishing himself with the side. Not integrating him was my biggest gripe with Schubert.

Yeah, Hazard has been our best player in 2016 so far.
Nice to see him finally score one, even though it should've been two today.

Also, Raffael's quitely putting up nice numbers.
So far he's got 11 goals and 10 assists in the Bundesliga this season.

[Foye]

Thank you Mainz!!!!!


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[J-Mezzy]

Thank you Mainz!!!!!


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Where the hell is the beast???

[truth18]

Thank you Mainz!!!!!


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Where the hell is the beast???

Getting laid dude. That kind of goal leads to instant sex.

[No_20]

I did say to you guys weeks ago that Dortmund would cut Bayern's lead before their meeting.

Did not think it would be against Mainz Bayern would drop points though.

[No_20]

Roger Schmidt is done at Leverkusen I think. I still think he is a good manager. He outcoaches Guardiola every time they meet, that's a sign of a good manager.

He should go to the Premier League and make himself a global name.

[Andi Obst]

The longest streak in BuLi without a goal: 1033 minutes. It´s still a long way, but i think we have a shot as long as we continue to deny creating goal-scoring chances. Don´t change anything.

congrats Nathan. Europe is calling for you guys.

Thanks man. But as a Hertha fan I've learned that I shouldn't get my hopes up too early

We had a bad start in 2016, got really lucky that apparently nobody really wanted the third place and now we have to keep winning games. No matter what happens though, Dardai did such a fantastic job with the team. Completely didn't see this kind of season coming.

[Foye]

Gotta sweep the week against Darmstadt on Sunday now.
Might be the hardest game in a two week span that features Leverkusen, Munich and Dortmund, though.

Also lmao at Klopp
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o_kVrfStEU[/youtube]

[DD12]

Roger Schmidt is done at Leverkusen I think. I still think he is a good manager. He outcoaches Guardiola every time they meet, that's a sign of a good manager.

He should go to the Premier League and make himself a global name.

Can't win anything with his mentality.

[Foye]

I never understood Roger Schmidt's game approach.
To me it's more like an absolutely chaotic approach than anything well planned. He is trying to play extreme pressing but they don't have the passing accurancy or defensive stability to play this kind of game. It works to a certain degree against lesser teams (well currently even that doesn't seem to work) but you ain't going to find continous success against top teams with that kind of game plan.

It's no surprise to me he might get fired soon. Overall, he is a pretty terrible coach to be honest.

Tuchel is the best coach in the Bundesliga by far. Successful in Mainz for years in a row despite low budget. And now taking a Dortmund team that barely qualified for EL to at a minimum the 2nd spot again.

[DD12]

There is no game approach. So don't look for one.

There is one kinda defensive sided midfielder, two cbs. And that's it. The rest is all attacking mentality players. When they are attacking, back wings are becoming wing midfielders, defensive minded mc becomes third cb while they are setting their defense around midfield line. But the problem with this mentality that if your players lose the ball all of a sudden, you are caught out with a counter as your defensive minded midfielder already became your third cb and you have no one to cover that gap between midfield to opponents 18 yard.

Unless you are Barcelona, you can't win with that approach. Every deep ball, every good #10, every striker who can sneak in between your cbs is a problem.

[Foye]

I agree with you for once Massimo. It is really a terrible approach at the game unless you are Barca.

Even for Bayern its not working in UCL.

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[Det the Threat]

Tuchel is the best coach in the Bundesliga by far. Successful in Mainz for years in a row despite low budget. And now taking a Dortmund team that barely qualified for EL to at a minimum the 2nd spot again.

That team had loads of injuries and a bad first half of the season because of that.
A healthy Gündogan can solely be named as the reason for their success and even Mikki showed signs at the end of last season, while Klopp made Aubameyang a striker.

I know Tuchel's doing very well, and knows what he's doing, but that last season can't really be taken as an argument for the current one.
If there'd be anywhere near as many injuries as last season, he surely wouldn't have them at 2nd place.

[Foye]

Tuchel is the best coach in the Bundesliga by far. Successful in Mainz for years in a row despite low budget. And now taking a Dortmund team that barely qualified for EL to at a minimum the 2nd spot again.

That team had loads of injuries and a bad first half of the season because of that.
A healthy Gündogan can solely be named as the reason for their success and even Mikki showed signs at the end of last season, while Klopp made Aubameyang a striker.

I know Tuchel's doing very well, and knows what he's doing, but that last season can't really be taken as an argument for the current one.
If there'd be anywhere near as many injuries as last season, he surely wouldn't have them at 2nd place.

How so? They have 15 points on spot 3. Even if there were more injuries...they would probably still be second.

Also, let me add that the reduced amount of injuries might actually be a direct consequence of a better organized training.

Its no coincidence that some teams (including Bayern and Schalke for example) have an absurd amount of muscle injuries while others dont.

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[ATL Boy]

Dortmund vs. Bayern on Saturday, and Fox is showing Augsburg vs. Leverkusen on FS1, while pushing the biggest match of the season to Fox Sports Plus. Get it together Fox, smh.

[Det the Threat]

How so? They have 15 points on spot 3. Even if there were more injuries...they would probably still be second.

Also, let me add that the reduced amount of injuries might actually be a direct consequence of a better organized training.

Its no coincidence that some teams (including Bayern and Schalke for example) have an absurd amount of muscle injuries while others dont.

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They have 15 points on third spot because those other teams behind them are struggling big time.
Schalke isn't that great, Wolfsburg lost de Bruyne, Leverkusen's got quite some injuries as well and we started out with five losses while still having problems defensively.

Don't get me wrong, Tuchel's a very good manager and doing a very good job, but that Dortmund side is the best of the rest on paper and this season they're showing it again.
It was just a freak accident of a season last year and they got it together during the second half anyways.

BTW: Oscar Wendt got injured yesterday(pulled hamstring) and will miss some time.
Will be interesting to see if Schubert will play Hinteregger there, switch Elvedi to the left side and play Korb at rb, or if he'll just try to keep playing that 3-4-3 kind of system we played yesterday defensively.

Oh, and Nico Elvedi's the other guy, next to Hazard, who's playing very well this year.

[Foye]

How so? They have 15 points on spot 3. Even if there were more injuries...they would probably still be second.

Also, let me add that the reduced amount of injuries might actually be a direct consequence of a better organized training.

Its no coincidence that some teams (including Bayern and Schalke for example) have an absurd amount of muscle injuries while others dont.

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They have 15 points on third spot because those other teams behind them are struggling big time.
Schalke isn't that great, Wolfsburg lost de Bruyne, Leverkusen's got quite some injuries as well and we started out with five losses while still having problems defensively.

Don't get me wrong, Tuchel's a very good manager and doing a very good job, but that Dortmund side is the best of the rest on paper and this season they're showing it again.
It was just a freak accident of a season last year and they got it together during the second half anyways.

The other teams are basically collecting points at their usual pace, though. Some a bit more and others a bit less. It is just that this season with Dortmund being a historically good 2nd place that people say "Schalke, Wolfsburg, Leverkusen etc. struggle" because there's such a large gap between 2nd and 3rd. But in reality the third place usually never is much better than Hertha currently is by match day 24.
Match day 24
2015/16
2. Dortmund 57 points
3. Hertha 42 points
2014/15
2. Wolfsburg 50 points
3. Gladbach 41 points
2013/14
2. Dortmund 48 points
3. Leverkusen 44 points
2012/13
2. Dortmund 46 points
3. Leverkusen 45 points

...so if we turn back the clock...in each of the past three seasons with 57 points Dortmund would've had at least a 12 point lead on #3. In terms of points collected Tuchel has them performing at their peak Meister level in Bundesliga, something they haven't done for three seasons and he should get credit for that.
It is clearly not the case that he is just helping them to reach their pre-2014/15 level. They are considerably better than in 2013/14 and 2012/13 as well.

[Det the Threat]

Match day 24
2015/16
2. Dortmund 57 points
3. Hertha 42 points
2014/15
2. Wolfsburg 50 points
3. Gladbach 41 points
2013/14
2. Dortmund 48 points
3. Leverkusen 44 points
2012/13
2. Dortmund 46 points
3. Leverkusen 45 points

...so if we turn back the clock...in each of the past three seasons with 57 points Dortmund would've had at least a 12 point lead on #3. In terms of points collected Tuchel has them performing at their peak Meister level, something they haven't done for three seasons and he should get credit for that.
It is clearly not the case that he is just helping them to reach their pre-2014/15 level. In terms of points collected are considerably better than in 2013/14 and 2012/13 as well.

Like I've said before, he's doing a very good job.
Though, that's also the second most expensive squad in Germany and they should be at that 2nd spot.
Especially with most of their guys being healthy, including Gündogan.
They also didn't lose any of their important players, which is a big plus as well.

What I didn't think makes sense was trying to use last season to make a statement about this one.
Last season was a freak accident(and we used it to our advantage) and that second half of the season showed how much better they actually are.

Still, again, I know that Tuchel's a very good manager and he's doing very well at Dortmund.

[truth18]

Tuchel is the best coach in the Bundesliga by far. Successful in Mainz for years in a row despite low budget. And now taking a Dortmund team that barely qualified for EL to at a minimum the 2nd spot again.

That team had loads of injuries and a bad first half of the season because of that.
A healthy Gündogan can solely be named as the reason for their success and even Mikki showed signs at the end of last season, while Klopp made Aubameyang a striker.

I know Tuchel's doing very well, and knows what he's doing, but that last season can't really be taken as an argument for the current one.
If there'd be anywhere near as many injuries as last season, he surely wouldn't have them at 2nd place.

How so? They have 15 points on spot 3. Even if there were more injuries...they would probably still be second.

Also, let me add that the reduced amount of injuries might actually be a direct consequence of a better organized training.

Its no coincidence that some teams (including Bayern and Schalke for example) have an absurd amount of muscle injuries while others dont.

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This is almost word for word what I was going to say. Tuchel has changed the whole culture around almost instantly. The squad had become entirely complacent in their training. And of course, the tactics were stale as well. I love Klopp but similar to Doc Rivers, he's a bit too lenient with certain players after a while. That's why, although I was sad to see him go, I was happy that the culture would change.

But I didn't think it would change this quickly in my wildest dreams. There is a reason that Hijinx, ATLboy and I all had grim preseason predictions. This season's success is about WAY more than health/fitness. Tuchel is amazing.

[truth18]

Also, its not like we have THAT much money. Spurs/Pool have more. The Bundesliga is just broke.

Dortmund vs. Bayern on Saturday, and Fox is showing Augsburg vs. Leverkusen on FS1, while pushing the biggest match of the season to Fox Sports Plus. Get it together Fox, smh.

This is unbelievably stupid.