The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1)

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1321 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Mar 4, 2016 12:48 am

Bourne85 wrote:I've been asking for Curry to put up 15 3s a game for a bit now. He doesn't really pass up any "open" looks as is already. But I feel like he can and should be given the liberty to create 3-5 extra 3s off dribble moves.

I would say he avg shoots up to 35ppg easily really.



I understand where you guys are coming from in terms of maximizing Curry's individual output, but I wouldn't want him shot-hunting to the point it starts taking away from how special the team is.

Absolutely nothing is broken with how either he or his team is playing right now. I'd be careful in making it worse IRL in the name of a theoretical experiment.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1322 » by Bourne85 » Fri Mar 4, 2016 12:54 am

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Bourne85 wrote:I've been asking for Curry to put up 15 3s a game for a bit now. He doesn't really pass up any "open" looks as is already. But I feel like he can and should be given the liberty to create 3-5 extra 3s off dribble moves.

I would say he avg shoots up to 35ppg easily really.



I understand where you guys are coming from in terms of maximizing Curry's individual output, but I wouldn't want him shot-hunting to the point it starts taking away from how special the team is.

Absolutely nothing is broken with how either he or his team is playing right now. I'd be careful in making it worse IRL in the name of a theoretical experiment.


I tend to agree but imo any shot curry takes is the best shot on the floor at any time.

But the Warriors are on a roll and have a good TEAM. So I doubt he will do it even though a lot of us selfishly would love to see it happen lol
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1323 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Mar 4, 2016 12:55 am

Bourne85 wrote:
I tend to agree but imo any shot curry takes is the best shot on the floor at any time.



This is categorically false obviously.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1324 » by tsherkin » Fri Mar 4, 2016 1:57 am

I think Curry has displayed an admirable sense of when to shoot and when to pass, when to take over and when to let the defense overextend itself while enabling Draymond to burn the defense. No real need for him to shoot more while it's working. He knows when it's time.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1326 » by Doctor MJ » Fri Mar 4, 2016 5:50 am

Man, the Warriors are just magic. Curry is something amazing, but sometimes it does a disservice when we all fixate on him so. Every once in a while a team just synergizes completely. Golden State is one of those teams.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1327 » by RSCD3_ » Fri Mar 4, 2016 7:15 am

Really impressed with his defense vs russ, he did well in making him taking jumpers when he couldnt drive by him, might have taken wind out of his sails but he looked real good on defense
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1328 » by The-Power » Fri Mar 4, 2016 10:25 am

RSCD3_ wrote:Really impressed with his defense vs russ, he did well in making him taking jumpers when he couldnt drive by him, might have taken wind out of his sails but he looked real good on defense

Yes, he played him to the jumper nicely but to be fair, Westbrook really did him the favor by taking horrible shots all night. It's not his standard shot-selection this year so I'm not sure why he shot his team out of the game last night instead of leveraging his usual game more. Anyway, last night was a good example as to why the 'a superior athlete would punish Curry all night long' or 'someone like Magic would take Curry to the post every possession' stance isn't reasonable by any means. It's simply not efficient enough for it to happen in half-court sets over and over again regardless of how big your perceived advantage may be.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1329 » by RSCD3_ » Fri Mar 4, 2016 2:44 pm

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RSCD3_ wrote:I dont know if anyone's tracking but I got Curry as +786, all he needs is +7.1 over 24 games to beat 1,000.


b-r has Curry listed as +765, putting him on the pace for about 1200.

Let's see so, Jordan's best was 980, right?

It occurred to me that Wilt might have something umatched given that he played so much, but in '67, the 76ers in total weren't even at 700, and Wilt basically played all of those minutes.

The more I think about it, it basically seems like a given that if he's healthy, he's going to smash any conceivable record.

Crazy.


Update.

Since this game which was the 49th, over the last 7 games curry was only +35, or +5

Golden state hasnt had many blowouts recently and we are at +790 with 22 games left to play.

Take out that portland game where he was -18 though and 53/6 is 8.83 since the break

190/22 = +8.63, so the warriors need to ramp things up a bit but the record is still in reach

Their total season record projected to 79 game is

790/57*79 = +1094.91
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1330 » by Doctor MJ » Fri Mar 4, 2016 3:25 pm

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RSCD3_ wrote:Really impressed with his defense vs russ, he did well in making him taking jumpers when he couldnt drive by him, might have taken wind out of his sails but he looked real good on defense

Yes, he played him to the jumper nicely but to be fair, Westbrook really did him the favor by taking horrible shots all night. It's not his standard shot-selection this year so I'm not sure why he shot his team out of the game last night instead of leveraging his usual game more. Anyway, last night was a good example as to why the 'a superior athlete would punish Curry all night long' or 'someone like Magic would take Curry to the post every possession' stance isn't reasonable by any means. It's simply not efficient enough for it to happen in half-court sets over and over again regardless of how big your perceived advantage may be.


Honestly, I think there's a psychological tendency in star match ups like this for a "Oh yeah? I can do that too!" which I think Westbrook might be particularly prone too in general, and which gives Curry an added edge over anyone susceptible to it because of course, playing horse against Curry is a bit like playing against your older brother when you're 6 and he's 16.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1331 » by tsherkin » Fri Mar 4, 2016 4:22 pm

The-Power wrote: the 'a superior athlete would punish Curry all night long' or 'someone like Magic would take Curry to the post every possession' stance isn't reasonable by any means. It's simply not efficient enough for it to happen in half-court sets over and over again regardless of how big your perceived advantage may be.


This is great with respect to Westbrook, but at 6'8 and holding a 5" advantage on Curry while also having a well-documented and significant usage of the post throughout his career from beginning to end, I don't think it's really that wise to include Magic in that. He was able to successfully post players both smaller and larger than himself, and to do so efficiently. Magic was quite good at drawing fouls in the halfcourt as well as in transition, and was an accomplished post player. He's maybe the worst example you could have used in this instance, IMHO. The general nature of that comment is fine, it's true that guys like Westbrook who have fairly specific scoring modalities can't necessarily exploit Curry just by virtue of his size and build. Westy isn't a particularly good shooter, the Warriors have good interior help defense, so it becomes very difficult for Westbrook to get the kind of shots which make post offense that awesome.... and of course because he doesn't have a J which Steph needs to worry about OVERmuch, he can back up a step to play the drive and see what Westy does... and Russ is a little prone to doing the least-appealing option, which is to say 'taking the jumper.'
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1332 » by cpower » Fri Mar 4, 2016 4:58 pm

Oscar needs to take notes:

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1333 » by The-Power » Fri Mar 4, 2016 6:31 pm

tsherkin wrote:This is great with respect to Westbrook, but at 6'8 and holding a 5" advantage on Curry while also having a well-documented and significant usage of the post throughout his career from beginning to end, I don't think it's really that wise to include Magic in that.

The thing is: this wasn't Magic's game. I love Magic as he's one of my favorite players of all time but when you get Magic to constantly look for his own shot on perceived mismatches I'll say: mission accomplished! Note that I'm not saying Magic couldn't or wouldn't be efficient against Curry but rather that Magic wouldn't score on him all the time and if he tried to, his team would likely lose. It's not like Magic punished all smaller players he faced to an extent which renders traditional defense by a smaller guy completely ineffective. We're not talking about Shaq on Curry here. Not to mention that defenses have become way too sophistaced for it to be a viable strategy anyway. So, could Magic score on Curry efficient 20-25 points on Curry if he doesn't receive much help? Sure, certainly within the realm of possibility. Would he single-handedly destroy Curry's team by going at him over and over again? Most certainly not. That's all I'm saying.
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Post#1334 » by jumpstart » Fri Mar 4, 2016 6:41 pm

I think Curry can surpass LBJ's legacy.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1335 » by PCProductions » Fri Mar 4, 2016 7:12 pm

Man 55-5. Sometimes the record just needs to be looked at and thought about for a good minute.

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1336 » by MacGill » Fri Mar 4, 2016 7:45 pm

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The-Power wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:Really impressed with his defense vs russ, he did well in making him taking jumpers when he couldnt drive by him, might have taken wind out of his sails but he looked real good on defense

Yes, he played him to the jumper nicely but to be fair, Westbrook really did him the favor by taking horrible shots all night. It's not his standard shot-selection this year so I'm not sure why he shot his team out of the game last night instead of leveraging his usual game more. Anyway, last night was a good example as to why the 'a superior athlete would punish Curry all night long' or 'someone like Magic would take Curry to the post every possession' stance isn't reasonable by any means. It's simply not efficient enough for it to happen in half-court sets over and over again regardless of how big your perceived advantage may be.


Honestly, I think there's a psychological tendency in star match ups like this for a "Oh yeah? I can do that too!" which I think Westbrook might be particularly prone too in general, and which gives Curry an added edge over anyone susceptible to it because of course, playing horse against Curry is a bit like playing against your older brother when you're 6 and he's 16.


Well unless you're Curry and your 6 ;)
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1337 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Mar 4, 2016 7:51 pm

If Magic was taking Curry into the post over and over and abusing him--and not just scoring but with his vision and passing--well Kerr would simply put Iggy or Klay or maybe even Green on him. You don't have to put Curry on him. Magic certainly wouldn't be guarding him at the other end. And I feel really confident in my belief that if each guy did guard each other that Curry would come out on top and I have infinite respect for how great Magic is offensively.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1338 » by tsherkin » Fri Mar 4, 2016 8:59 pm

The-Power wrote:The thing is: this wasn't Magic's game.


But really, it was. The difference is, Magic knew how to use an elbow post up for more than just looking to get the shot. He'd get it established as necessary and compel the opposition to change their coverage, at which point he'd start picking them apart with passing FROM the post, or as the team around him started moving. Clearly, Magic wasn't gonna look at Steph and go for 50, I mean that wasn't HOW he played, he didn't really try to do that. What he did do was exploit the matchup to create holes and changes in the defense, which was sufficient. It was his version of what Steph does by drawing defenders away from the basket with the gravity of his 3pt potential.

Would he single-handedly destroy Curry's team by going at him over and over again? Most certainly not. That's all I'm saying.


No, as I noted above, I do agree with this principle. He'd do it a few times to engender a change in the defense.

Texas Chuck wrote:If Magic was taking Curry into the post over and over and abusing him--and not just scoring but with his vision and passing--well Kerr would simply put Iggy or Klay or maybe even Green on him. You don't have to put Curry on him. Magic certainly wouldn't be guarding him at the other end. And I feel really confident in my belief that if each guy did guard each other that Curry would come out on top and I have infinite respect for how great Magic is offensively.


I don't think Iggy or Klay would do especially well against Magic. I doubt they'd get owned more so than would anyone else, but I mean it was more of an event when Magic went for 30 or 35 points, because he typically didn't look for his own shot enough to make that happen. In his highest-scoring regular season in 87, he managed 30+ only 6 times, despite averaging 23.9 ppg over 72 games, and he shot 60%+ in 5 of those games, and 56.5% in the other one. He only took 20+ FGA 7 times, despite averaging 16.4 FGA/g. He was generally pretty steady about what he was doing with his shot, and didn't usually go for the gusto unless he was REALLY going. This remained true in the playoffs that year, where the only 30-point game he had was against the Spurs in a game where he was 13/19 from the floor. Conversely, the only game where he had < 10 assists was a 32-minute game with 9. He was all about using his own personal threat to make something happen for other people, and for finding seams and cracks in the defense, catching defenders napping, finding lobs, attacking in transition, etc.

I think we all realize that Magic wouldn't be calling his own number ALL that often, only when it was necessary. The initial response I made was more to differentiate him from Westy. Westbrook has troubles because while he has the physical tools to be a post scorer, he doesn't have the breadth of skill yet to really take advantage of those sets, as he's more of a face-up perimeter attack kind of player. Brutal in transition, brutal with momentum going to the basket, brutal in the PnR, but if you can stall his momentum before it starts, then he has trouble.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1339 » by The-Power » Sat Mar 5, 2016 10:35 pm

Another nice stat I read somewhere: the Warriors are 54-0 this season in games in which they led by 7 or more points at any point in the game. They are 55-5 overall.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1340 » by JordansBulls » Sat Mar 5, 2016 10:53 pm

PCProductions wrote:Man 55-5. Sometimes the record just needs to be looked at and thought about for a good minute.

Wow.

Also the amazing thing is how they came out this year. You would expect something like this from a team that had just lost the title more than a team that had just won it.
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