2016 Draft

[bwgood77]

Man..Bill Walton is something else lol.

I love watching him call college basketball, but I used to hate him calling NBA games.

I think he's hilarious. I always found it funny how he always says "Conference of Champions" especially since it's been a long while since the conference won a championship. And tonight that have a bell for every time he says it. He's so over the top he's funny. A lot of people can't stand him though.

[Damkac]

Here are college stats of Brown, Winslow and SJohnson:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jaylen-brown-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/justise-winslow-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/stanley-johnson-1.html
I'm not expert but Brown looks worse for me. Doesn't means he will end as the worst player of the 3.

What do you guys think about Furkan Korkmaz with Was pick? High iq shooter, humble, hard worker and 3rd youngest in the draft. That reminds me of Booker a lot. But he needs to add strenght to play sf and not a great defender.
I would be happy with him or Timothe Luwawu. I think it's good to use Was pick on international player - more chance of getting a steal because these players aren't as much exposured to scouts as college players.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Warren and Booker were probably considered limited players at the next level, but McD looked at their elite skill and thought that would translate and the rest could be worked on.

I don't see many domestic players with an absolute elite skill to bank on. Maybe Buddy Hield's scoring though he's a 4th year player. Rabb is dual handed so maybe his post up skill set.

[bwgood77]

Here are college stats of Brown, Winslow and SJohnson:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jaylen-brown-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/justise-winslow-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/stanley-johnson-1.html
I'm not expert but Brown looks worse for me. Doesn't means he will end as the worst player of the 3.

What do you guys think about Furkan Korkmaz with Was pick? High iq shooter, humble, hard worker and 3rd youngest in the draft. That reminds me of Booker a lot. But he needs to add strenght to play sf and not a great defender.
I would be happy with him or Timothe Luwawu. I think it's good to use Was pick on international player - more chance of getting a steal because these players aren't as much exposured to scouts as college players.

I had those pages all bookmarked to post the other day too, along with MKG. Yes, I went through the comparison in each category of all the guys a page or two back.

Korkmaz and Luwawu look intriguing but they are both SG/SFs. We are so loaded and deep at those spots I think it is just redundant to keep adding those guys. I think we should take a PF with that pick...best on the board. Chriss, Davis or Rabb. Or Ellenson if he slides. Even if we take a PF with our own pick. We are two deep everywhere except PF where we have exactly none under contract for next year.

If not a PF, maybe a pure PG at that spot. Maybe if it falls more in the 16 range and all those guys are gone, take someone like Wade Baldwin IV

Wade Baldwin appears to be one of the fastest rising prospects in this draft class thus far, making a significant jump between his freshman to sophomore seasons that has catapulted him into lottery discussions. While it's first and foremost Baldwin's physical tools and upside that have scouts so intrigued, his production has been very solid thus far too, posting a strong 19.5 points (47% 2P%, 46% 3P%, 82% FT%), 5.3 rebounds, 5.9 assists and 1.9 steals per-40 minutes.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Wade-Baldwin-82826/

[No-Man]

My current mock with today's standings since a quarter of the season is left and the MM starts soon,

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/160059/

I have Phoenix getting Bender, Ellenson, Prince and McCaw

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Korkmaz and Luwawu look intriguing but they are both SG/SFs. We are so loaded and deep at those spots I think it is just redundant to keep adding those guys. I think we should take a PF with that pick...best on the board. Chriss, Davis or Rabb. Or Ellenson if he slides. Even if we take a PF with our own pick. We are two deep everywhere except PF where we have exactly none under contract for next year.

This is why I'm increasingly under the impression that a significant trade is likely. We have such a diversity of assets as well as a pick in every range in this draft. If the BPA is a SG, we should try to trade down. But that gets complicated fast – and could put is in position to add some high-quality vets to this roster in addition to picks. I’ll be prepared for craziness on draft night.

[bwgood77]

Korkmaz and Luwawu look intriguing but they are both SG/SFs. We are so loaded and deep at those spots I think it is just redundant to keep adding those guys. I think we should take a PF with that pick...best on the board. Chriss, Davis or Rabb. Or Ellenson if he slides. Even if we take a PF with our own pick. We are two deep everywhere except PF where we have exactly none under contract for next year.

This is why I'm increasingly under the impression that a significant trade is likely. We have such a diversity of assets as well as a pick in every range in this draft. If the BPA is a SG, we should try to trade down. But that gets complicated fast – and could put is in position to add some high-quality vets to this roster in addition to picks. I’ll be prepared for craziness on draft night.

The bad thing is that we are loaded at guard and most teams are fairly set at guard. If a bunch of teams needed guards, I would be inclined to think we could more easily move one or some of them.

Depending on what Philly gets in the draft or free agency, and how fast they want to try and compete, maybe they will want a guard. They may want an upgrade at both guard spots and may upgrade neither in the draft. I'd love to find a place for Knight I'm just not sure where. Maybe Orlando if they let Jennings go.

[bwgood77]

My current mock with today's standings since a quarter of the season is left and the MM starts soon,

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/160059/

I have Phoenix getting Bender, Ellenson, Prince and McCaw

It always appears to me that your mocks are based on your personal rankings of players. Are you kind of ranking players and then slotting them where it makes sense?

Or are you trying to guess what teams will actually do? For example, I know you are personally high on Rabb and Hernangomez, but do you perceive teams are THAT high on them? And if so, why do you think guys like Givony or Ford are not aware of this?

And I take it you are assuming Marquese Chriss stays in college another year? Ford says he is the fastest riser in the draft right now. If he does come out, how high do you think he will go?

Overall I'd be happy with at least the way our first two picks played out in your scenario. Don't know the other guys. Looks like McCaw must be a pesky defender with all those steals. His stats look like TJ McConnell's were his sr year.

[No-Man]

I obviusly I use my own rankings, I dont care about Ford's who is clueless, or DX's who are always late, dunno about inside track with NBA FO's of course, but neither do they at this point honestly.
Plus a big deal of what they sell in terms of franchises been high on one guy or another it is them doing a favor to sport agencies/programs, you cant really trust them.

I have Chriss going back yep, I'd have him in the lotto for sure, dunno where exaclty.

[thamadkant]

Yeah. Wade Baldwin is a classic McD pick.

Wouldnt be surprised at all to see him get drafted... If he played for Kentucky... It would of been 100% certainty he would be McD's pick.

[bwgood77]

Yeah. Wade Baldwin is a classic McD pick.

Wouldnt be surprised at all to see him get drafted... If he played for Kentucky... It would of been 100% certainty he would be McD's pick.

If all the decent PF's are gone when we get to the Washington pick I wouldn't mind Baldwin at all. He is more of a passing pg, which we need to back up or potentially supplant Bledsoe at some point. But he also can shoot if needed. 44% from 3. So even if we keep Knight, it would be nice to play those two in a backcourt together. Baldwin's probably the best PG in the draft after Dunn.

Though I guess I'm leaving out your boy Archie in that second backcourt. He'd be a good third string guard possibly though.

[thamadkant]

If McD drafts another PG... A PG that needs development... I see him moving Bledsoe and Knight... And going young. As in 76ers young.

If not young... He might move one of Bledsoe and Knight and try to get a star SF or PF.... Depending on who he drafts top 5.

Suns do have assets... But just depends on their planned window of contention.

[thamadkant]

Goodwin can be a PG, SG, SF.
If his rate of improvement continue on, he'll fill any of those roles well enough to get 20 minutes a game. Scoring 20 points multiple times and over double digits regularly as a raw 21 year old still makes him very appealing for a rebuilding team.

[Kerrsed]

Goodwin can be a PG, SG, SF.
If his rate of improvement continue on, he'll fill any of those roles well enough to get 20 minutes a game. Scoring 20 points multiple times and over double digits regularly as a raw 21 year old still makes him very appealing for a rebuilding team.

No he cant. Hunter tried him at his natural SG position, but he failed. He then tried to make him a PG, but that was fail. Horny tried him at SG, that failed. Then he tried him at PG, that failed. Watson tried him at PG and failed (to the tune of us using a combo of Price/Pressey over him). He now slated him back at SG which so far has been fail.

He is a SG that really cant shoot. His biggest asset is "Crashing the paint" and drawing fouls. We figured taking him out of the SG role and making him a PG would put the ball in his hands more to "crash the paint" and maybe kick it out to teammates for assists. NOPE.

As for SF, thats laughable.

Scoring a few 20 point games is nothing when you are doing it on a team as bad as ours. Thats like being the fastest jumper in the special olympics.

Potato.

[saintEscaton]

Goodwin can be a PG, SG, SF.
If his rate of improvement continue on, he'll fill any of those roles well enough to get 20 minutes a game. Scoring 20 points multiple times and over double digits regularly as a raw 21 year old still makes him very appealing for a rebuilding team.

No he cant. Hunter tried him at his natural SG position, but he failed. He then tried to make him a PG, but that was fail. Horny tried him at SG, that failed. Then he tried him at PG, that failed. Watson tried him at PG and failed (to the tune of us using a combo of Price/Pressey over him). He now slated him back at SG which so far has been fail.

He is a SG that really cant shoot. His biggest asset is "Crashing the paint" and drawing fouls. We figured taking him out of the SG role and making him a PG would put the ball in his hands more to "crash the paint" and maybe kick it out to teammates for assists. NOPE.

As for SF, thats laughable.

Scoring a few 20 point games is nothing when you are doing it on a team as bad as ours. Thats like being the fastest jumper in the special olympics.

Potato.

Same can be said about Len although to a lesser degree IMO. I like Zimmerman to give him some competition and replace Chandler

[AtheJ415]

Baldwin has an insane wingspan (6'10"). We could have a lot of length with Bledsoe, him, and Bogdan on the perimeter, and Len inside.

[AtheJ415]

Goodwin can be a PG, SG, SF.
If his rate of improvement continue on, he'll fill any of those roles well enough to get 20 minutes a game. Scoring 20 points multiple times and over double digits regularly as a raw 21 year old still makes him very appealing for a rebuilding team.

No he cant. Hunter tried him at his natural SG position, but he failed. He then tried to make him a PG, but that was fail. Horny tried him at SG, that failed. Then he tried him at PG, that failed. Watson tried him at PG and failed (to the tune of us using a combo of Price/Pressey over him). He now slated him back at SG which so far has been fail.

He is a SG that really cant shoot. His biggest asset is "Crashing the paint" and drawing fouls. We figured taking him out of the SG role and making him a PG would put the ball in his hands more to "crash the paint" and maybe kick it out to teammates for assists. NOPE.

As for SF, thats laughable.

Scoring a few 20 point games is nothing when you are doing it on a team as bad as ours. Thats like being the fastest jumper in the special olympics.

Potato.

He's not a SF, I agree, but I think he's better at the 1 than the 2 given how he's played this year. I don't think he failed during his run at PG under Jeff either. I'd have him as our backup 1 going forward, and move one of Knight or Bledsoe (whoever has the highest value), and potentially draft a future starting PG with one of our picks (I'd be okay with Dunn, Malik Newman, or maybe Baldwin) to develop as well.

To be fair, plenty of SGs can't really shoot (like Dwayne Wade). His shooting form and release seem to have improved. I don't think it's a given he won't ever shoot decently well.

If you're a rebuilding team, you won't win until you get a star, but it doesn't make the role players failures. I think Archie has proven he can be a role player on a good team, even if it's as an 8th-9th man, it has value to us. Plus, his athleticism is still there. He's far from his ceiling. Even if he never reaches it, we should be the team to see it through.

[AtheJ415]

Goodwin can be a PG, SG, SF.
If his rate of improvement continue on, he'll fill any of those roles well enough to get 20 minutes a game. Scoring 20 points multiple times and over double digits regularly as a raw 21 year old still makes him very appealing for a rebuilding team.

No he cant. Hunter tried him at his natural SG position, but he failed. He then tried to make him a PG, but that was fail. Horny tried him at SG, that failed. Then he tried him at PG, that failed. Watson tried him at PG and failed (to the tune of us using a combo of Price/Pressey over him). He now slated him back at SG which so far has been fail.

He is a SG that really cant shoot. His biggest asset is "Crashing the paint" and drawing fouls. We figured taking him out of the SG role and making him a PG would put the ball in his hands more to "crash the paint" and maybe kick it out to teammates for assists. NOPE.

As for SF, thats laughable.

Scoring a few 20 point games is nothing when you are doing it on a team as bad as ours. Thats like being the fastest jumper in the special olympics.

Potato.

Same can be said about Len although to a lesser degree IMO. I like Zimmerman to give him some competition and replace Chandler

I think we need to draft a center with one of our 4 picks so that we can move Chandler as soon as there is a taker (hopefully in FA when some teams miss on their targets). I feel pretty certain Len will be our starting center in the long-run. We should draft his backup. There are plenty of high upside bigs who will fall in this draft imo due to poor college performance. Guys like Skal, Diallo will fall more than their talent level would suggest. Hammons and other more traditional, massive centers will be there as well. Zimmerman falls in that area too but I'm not a fan of his and I'm not sure why. Just a gut feeling I don't think he'll be good at the next level.

If Kaleb Tarczewski isn't drafted we have to be all over him, and honestly I'd be fine with us taking him in the 2nd round. He's athletic enough to play in our system and is a throwback guy who likes to defend and set screens. We can use a guy like that as our backup 5, and I guess I disagree with most on him. He doesn't dominate college basketball, but not all role players in the NBA were dominant in college. Hell, not even all NBA stars were. He's been playing the role he'd play here for the past 4 years at Arizona Not a ton of upside, but it's very easy to project him at the next level imo.

[JMac1]

Watching Dunn right now, he is so nice!

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