Rookie Discussion Thread

[Nuggets_Talk]

Pretty much this, plus Winslow's actually contributing 30mpg as part of a playoff rotation. He's helping us win games. He's never gonna win the stats battle, most of what he does doesn't show up in the box score.

But since we adjusted our offense and stopped trying to make him shoot corner three's he's averaged 7.7pts 7.1rebs in 31mpg while shooting 50FG% in his past 18 games.

as already mentioned positions do not count when dealing with all rookie teams.

secondly, neither does team success. so getting to play for miami doesnt give winslow bonus points or anything.

jokic is far out playing winslow this year.

Mentioned by who? You? If Jokic makes the all rookie team, he will have to beat out Porzingis.

dafan334 - just a few posts above these.

no way jokic beats out porzingis for all rookie first team. but he should definitely beat out winslow.

[QUIZ]

as already mentioned positions do not count when dealing with all rookie teams.

secondly, neither does team success. so getting to play for miami doesnt give winslow bonus points or anything.

jokic is far out playing winslow this year.

Ok man he can have the award.

which award? you mean all rookie first team over winslow?

then yes, he should. hes earned it. not sure why you are so upset about it.

I'm really not and I don't pretend that I've watched the Nuggets or Jokic play. If you feel so strongly about it then ok, good luck to him.

[PG24]

Pretty much this, plus Winslow's actually contributing 30mpg as part of a playoff rotation. He's helping us win games. He's never gonna win the stats battle, most of what he does doesn't show up in the box score.

But since we adjusted our offense and stopped trying to make him shoot corner three's he's averaged 7.7pts 7.1rebs in 31mpg while shooting 50FG% in his past 18 games.

as already mentioned positions do not count when dealing with all rookie teams.

secondly, neither does team success. so getting to play for miami doesnt give winslow bonus points or anything.

jokic is far out playing winslow this year.

Mentioned by who? You? If Jokic makes the all rookie team, he will have to beat out Porzingis.

Why would he have to beat out Porzingis? Positions don't matter.

I think the all rookie first team is set 1-4 -- Towns, Russell, Okafor, Porzingis... then we will see from there who gets the last spot.

[Kabookalu]

The thing that's surprised me about Towns is his scoring ability. I didn't think he'd be this good already. From my understanding in college he was more of a defensive player with the ability to knock down shots, hence the Ibaka comparisons. Right now he's looking like some freak hybrid of Garnett and Duncan.

[wablty]

The thing that's surprised me about Towns is his scoring ability. I didn't think he'd be this good already. From my understanding in college he was more of a defensive player with the ability to knock down shots, hence the Ibaka comparisons. Right now he's looking like some freak hybrid of Garnett and Duncan.

I don't think anyone expected him to be able to take people off the dribble and he does it pretty consistently. We knew he was working on his post game and figured there'd be a bit there, and we were told he could shoot it a bit. We didn't know he had a handle for a 7 footer. Obviously he won't be playing point center anytime soon, but he'll beat most 4's and 5's in the league to the rim if they come out to defend the jumper and if they don't, he buries it consistently. The damned if you do, damned if you don't aspect of his game 15-20' from the basket is a surprise.

[Zeitgeister]

The thing that's surprised me about Towns is his scoring ability. I didn't think he'd be this good already. From my understanding in college he was more of a defensive player with the ability to knock down shots, hence the Ibaka comparisons. Right now he's looking like some freak hybrid of Garnett and Duncan.

I don't think anyone expected him to be able to take people off the dribble and he does it pretty consistently. We knew he was working on his post game and figured there'd be a bit there, and we were told he could shoot it a bit. We didn't know he had a handle for a 7 footer. Obviously he won't be playing point center anytime soon, but he'll beat most 4's and 5's in the league to the rim if they come out to defend the jumper and if they don't, he buries it consistently. The damned if you do, damned if you don't aspect of his game 15-20' from the basket is a surprise.

I would say by game 2, where he dropped something like 28 points against Denver, I was pretty sure this guy could be a special scorer. He was taking them off the dribble, coming off screens, scoring in such a variety of ways. But I had an idea of the handle after I saw that draft express workout video.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkK1xY3xSkc[/youtube]

This video shocked me because I was so surprised not only by how agile he looked but also his handle looked so good for a center. I know it's easy to be dismissive of workout videos but there was an obvious, and rare talent on display. Not to mention he was drilling threes over and over in the video, that didn't hurt.

[Domejandro]

I believe Karl-Anthony Towns is the first player twenty years old or younger to post (get ready for this obscure cut-off) 28 Points, 7 Assists, 6 Rebounds, 3 Blocks, and 2 Steals. When you exclude the steals, only Josh Smith, and Lamar Odom had reached the cutoff.

http://bkref.com/tiny/ag7tm

[Revived]

Freaking Towns man. I never thought we'll see a player who could be better than Davis so fast but here he is.

[Westbreezy]

Freaking Towns man. I never thought we'll see a player who could be better than Davis so fast but here he is.

And the crazy part is that he was one of the least hyped #1 picks in a while. I (including many, many others) thought at his best he would be a better version of Al Horford which is still really solid in and of itself.

Just goes to show you that we really don't know as much as we think we do

[Riko]

All rookie First and Second Team so far

First Team
Russell
Booker
Winslow
Porzingis
KAT

Second Team
Mudiay
Hezonja
Johnson
Turner
Okafor

Position doesn't matter. The All-Rookie are pretty much settle:

All Rookie 1st Team
Towns
Porzingis
Booker
Okafor
Russell

All Rookie 2nd Team
Mudiay
Turner
Jokic
Winslow
Johnson

[Klomp]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyTZ1yZQoAQ[/youtube]

[Revived]

Freaking Towns man. I never thought we'll see a player who could be better than Davis so fast but here he is.

And the crazy part is that he was one of the least hyped #1 picks in a while. I (including many, many others) thought at his best he would be a better version of Al Horford which is still really solid in and of itself.

Just goes to show you that we really don't know as much as we think we do

Damn straight. I almost hate the TWolves now because I'm jealous that they have Towns, Wiggins and Lavine.

[Klomp]

Damn straight. I almost hate the TWolves now because I'm jealous that they have Towns, Wiggins and Lavine.

After 12 years, we deserve this.

It's just too bad half our fan base is too busy complaining about petty stuff to enjoy this team.

[Domejandro]

Freaking Towns man. I never thought we'll see a player who could be better than Davis so fast but here he is.

And the crazy part is that he was one of the least hyped #1 picks in a while. I (including many, many others) thought at his best he would be a better version of Al Horford which is still really solid in and of itself.

Just goes to show you that we really don't know as much as we think we do

Damn straight. I almost hate the TWolves now because I'm jealous that they have Towns, Wiggins and Lavine.

I would put Zach LaVine below Ricky Rubio, Ricky is easily our second best player behind Towns. The dude is a horrible shooter, but he is elite at every other aspect of the game.

I am somewhat iffy on Zach though. If we can hire someone like Tom Thibodeau to help him defensively, the dude could potentially become a monster, like top fifteen in the league at least good. If he does not get someone like Coach Thibodeau, I am really, really concerned with his long-term defense; he just needs the right guy to guide him in the right direction. He is really struggling on that end.

That aside, I understood the sentiment of the post, haha. It has been eleven brutal years, but things are finally falling into place; once Sam Mitchell goes, we are absolutely set.

[Domejandro]

Damn straight. I almost hate the TWolves now because I'm jealous that they have Towns, Wiggins and Lavine.

After 12 years, we deserve this.

It's just too bad half our fan base is too busy complaining about petty stuff to enjoy this team.

Eh, we are not fun to watch most of the time; poor coaching and lackadaisical effort has really diminished my excitement on this team. That said, Karl Anthony-Towns is worth every single second of bad basketball we have to watch.

[Klomp]

Eh, we are not fun to watch most of the time; poor coaching and lackadaisical effort has really diminished my excitement on this team.

My point exactly. No fan base is 100% happy with their coach. No team gives great effort on every play of every game.

Read our board and you'd think you'd accidentally visited the Nets board. They at least have something to complain about with no present and no future.

Not saying this has been a great or enjoyable team to watch in every game. But even when there's games like this, it's still like pulling teeth to get some excitement and optimism from the fan base, and that's extremely frustrating. A number of other fan bases are jealous of what we have, yet our own fan base is blind to what we have.

[Domejandro]

Eh, we are not fun to watch most of the time; poor coaching and lackadaisical effort has really diminished my excitement on this team.

My point exactly. No fan base is 100% happy with their coach. No team gives great effort on every play of every game.

Read our board and you'd think you'd accidentally visited the Nets board. They at least have something to complain about with no present and no future.

Not saying this has been a great or enjoyable team to watch in every game. But even when there's games like this, it's still like pulling teeth to get some excitement and optimism from the fan base, and that's extremely frustrating. A number of other fan bases are jealous of what we have, yet our own fan base is blind to what we have.

You are underrating the level of lackadaisical effort, the team is completely demoralized at this point, and at times look like they have given up. This is not a one-off lack of effort thing, Klomp, Andrew Wiggins is often times completely disengaged from the game!

In addition, the relevance of what other fan-bases feel about their coach is nonexistent. Sam Mitchell is a horrible, horrible coach; he is holding this team back from both a development standpoint AND a winning standpoint. He is awful.

Other fan-bases have good reason to be envious of the young pieces we have, I personally am ecstatic at what has been built; that said, you cannot simply disregard the awful tendencies of this team because it will likely be fixed in the future. People who are irate with Sam Mitchell are frustrated because he is hurting the team's growth and is making the team not fun to watch.

[Klomp]

You are underrating the level of lackadaisical effort, the team is completely demoralized at this point, and at times look like they have given up. This is not a one-off lack of effort thing, Klomp, Andrew Wiggins is often times completely disengaged from the game!

Yeah, and those things were evident during last night's game, right?

[Domejandro]

You are underrating the level of lackadaisical effort, the team is completely demoralized at this point, and at times look like they have given up. This is not a one-off lack of effort thing, Klomp, Andrew Wiggins is often times completely disengaged from the game!

Yeah, and those things were evident during last night's game, right?

Klomp, this kind of straw-man-esque logic is why I have chosen to avoid the Minnesota forum, it is painful. Minnesota played great against Brooklyn, duh, but does that completely negate the rest of the season? Nobody is complaining about last night, the team played well. That said, Andrew Wiggins and the rest of the team have absolutely had issues with their effort level throughout the season; Wiggins in particular has been lazy in multiple games. That does not mean I hate him, it simply means I see a major flaw that I wish to see addressed.

I am still bamboozled at how last night should make any other game irrelevant.

I am going to bow out of this debate, I don't wish to spam the Rookie Thread anymore, and I have already explained my position on the Minnesota board extensively.

[Klomp]

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I'm not calling for last night to make everything irrelevant. I just think people get too caught up in the now of another likely 50+ loss season that we aren't looking at what we have.

-Three 20-year olds leading the team in scoring (has that ever been done)
-The possible unanimous ROY
-A top-5 draft pick
-A bunch of cap space

Yet we're too focused on what we don't have. Sam's not a good enough coach, Ricky's not a top-5 PG, Wiggins not an elite defender or rebounder yet, etc. I don't disagree with any of those statements, but I don't let them be my entire mindset of the franchise.