Game Thread: Phoenix Suns vs Orlando Magic Friday March 4th....

[KillMonger]

I didn't ask you. And your answer has nothing to do with the comparison viper is trying to make. Monroe doesn't take jumpers at all.

You're right their stats are nearly identical but their most common trait is bad defense.

Plumlee is not a good defender. He is giving up 57% fg at the rim as a starter, which is worse than both Monroe and Vuc. Monroe's minutes also remain unchanged despite coming off the bench. The Bucks are playing well because they're staggering their talent (MCW also coming off bench now playing big minutes) and finally allowing Parker to be the scorer he was drafted to be (increased his minutes and shot attempts, averaging 20 ppg in last 10). The Vuc comparison was a lazy one.

dont hurt em OrlandO lol

[BadMofoPimp]

ultimate chuckers team of misfit mascots
meanwhile Harris
17 ppg 50%fg 46% 3pt

but yeah it was a very good trade for us trading for a chucking cap space that we wont use because none will come here anyway

I know people are trying to justify that trade to make themselves feel better but I seriously think that Tobias asked to be traded. His production went down with Skiles here and I don't blame him if he did.

I have to agree with this. Harris all of a sudden was out of the lineup with a mysterious injury and as soon as he was traded, he was 100% healthy putting up 17ppg with 46% from 3.

[basketballRob]

You're right their stats are nearly identical but their most common trait is bad defense.

Plumlee is not a good defender. He is giving up 57% fg at the rim as a starter, which is worse than both Monroe and Vuc. Monroe's minutes also remain unchanged despite coming off the bench. The Bucks are playing well because they're staggering their talent (MCW also coming off bench now playing big minutes) and finally allowing Parker to be the scorer he was drafted to be (increased his minutes and shot attempts, averaging 20 ppg in last 10). The Vuc comparison was a lazy one.

dont hurt em OrlandO lol

I think Orlando should follow that mold.

[basketballRob]

I didn't ask you. And your answer has nothing to do with the comparison viper is trying to make. Monroe doesn't take jumpers at all.

You're right their stats are nearly identical but their most common trait is bad defense.

Plumlee is not a good defender. He is giving up 57% fg at the rim as a starter, which is worse than both Monroe and Vuc. Monroe's minutes also remain unchanged despite coming off the bench. The Bucks are playing well because they're staggering their talent (MCW also coming off bench now playing big minutes) and finally allowing Parker to be the scorer he was drafted to be (increased his minutes and shot attempts, averaging 20 ppg in last 10). The Vuc comparison was a lazy one.

Yes Vooch on the bench to start the game might help the Magic like it did the Bucks. I can almost guarantee Vooch won't be a starter next season. When Len made him his bitch almost sealed that deal.

[OrlandO]

You're right their stats are nearly identical but their most common trait is bad defense.

Plumlee is not a good defender. He is giving up 57% fg at the rim as a starter, which is worse than both Monroe and Vuc. Monroe's minutes also remain unchanged despite coming off the bench. The Bucks are playing well because they're staggering their talent (MCW also coming off bench now playing big minutes) and finally allowing Parker to be the scorer he was drafted to be (increased his minutes and shot attempts, averaging 20 ppg in last 10). The Vuc comparison was a lazy one.

Yes Vooch on the bench to start the game might help the Magic like it did the Bucks. I can almost guarantee Vooch won't be a starter next season. When Len made him his bitch almost sealed that deal.

Is removing Vuc going to improve Fournier's poor vision, make defenders suddenly respect Payton, or turn Oladipo into a consistent player? The only thing benching Vuc will do is open up more long twos from Jason Smith. The only way Vuc isn't starting next season is if we sign an all star center and that's easier said than done.

[basketballRob]

Plumlee is not a good defender. He is giving up 57% fg at the rim as a starter, which is worse than both Monroe and Vuc. Monroe's minutes also remain unchanged despite coming off the bench. The Bucks are playing well because they're staggering their talent (MCW also coming off bench now playing big minutes) and finally allowing Parker to be the scorer he was drafted to be (increased his minutes and shot attempts, averaging 20 ppg in last 10). The Vuc comparison was a lazy one.

Yes Vooch on the bench to start the game might help the Magic like it did the Bucks. I can almost guarantee Vooch won't be a starter next season. When Len made him his bitch almost sealed that deal.

Is removing Vuc going to improve Fournier's poor vision, make defenders suddenly respect Payton, or turn Oladipo into a consistent player? The only thing benching Vuc will do is open up more long twos from Jason Smith. The only way Vuc isn't starting next season is if we sign an all star center and that's easier said than done.

I'd really love to see Vuc and Smith play as little as possible and give some o the other guys more opportunities to shoot. They should also yank Payton to when he tries to play hero ball.

[KillMonger]

Yes Vooch on the bench to start the game might help the Magic like it did the Bucks. I can almost guarantee Vooch won't be a starter next season. When Len made him his bitch almost sealed that deal.

Is removing Vuc going to improve Fournier's poor vision, make defenders suddenly respect Payton, or turn Oladipo into a consistent player? The only thing benching Vuc will do is open up more long twos from Jason Smith. The only way Vuc isn't starting next season is if we sign an all star center and that's easier said than done.

I'd really love to see Vuc and Smith play as little as possible and give some o the other guys more opportunities to shoot. They should also yank Payton to when he tries to play hero ball.

tell me a more consistent offensive option than vuc and ill agree with you......give who more opportunities to shoot?

[j-ragg]

Is removing Vuc going to improve Fournier's poor vision, make defenders suddenly respect Payton, or turn Oladipo into a consistent player? The only thing benching Vuc will do is open up more long twos from Jason Smith. The only way Vuc isn't starting next season is if we sign an all star center and that's easier said than done.

I'd really love to see Vuc and Smith play as little as possible and give some o the other guys more opportunities to shoot. They should also yank Payton to when he tries to play hero ball.

tell me a more consistent offensive option than vuc and ill agree with you......give who more opportunities to shoot?

I agree we don't have the most offensively capable group but I really don't know how good they are until our 1st 2nd and 3rd options are something other than throw the ball to Vuc at the elbow and let him do whatever he wants. Guy gets more opportunities than most in the league. Id like to see other players get some plays ran for them besides Vuc and Evan.

[KillMonger]

Like who? To me dipo should be getting less shots along with fournier. Elf can't buy a basket consistently..... So who?

[Furinkazan]

ultimate chuckers team of misfit mascots
meanwhile Harris
17 ppg 50%fg 46% 3pt

but yeah it was a very good trade for us trading for a chucking cap space that we wont use because none will come here anyway

I know people are trying to justify that trade to make themselves feel better but I seriously think that Tobias asked to be traded. His production went down with Skiles here and I don't blame him if he did.

conspiracy theory with Jesse Ventura

[shinoff2183]

I'd really love to see Vuc and Smith play as little as possible and give some o the other guys more opportunities to shoot. They should also yank Payton to when he tries to play hero ball.

tell me a more consistent offensive option than vuc and ill agree with you......give who more opportunities to shoot?

I agree we don't have the most offensively capable group but I really don't know how good they are until our 1st 2nd and 3rd options are something other than throw the ball to Vuc at the elbow and let him do whatever he wants. Guy gets more opportunities than most in the league. Id like to see other players get some plays ran for them besides Vuc and Evan.

I thought weve been scoring decently recently, aside from the phx game. Ill add atleast for us.

[Optimus_Steel]

I know EP was scoring early in the 1st but I knew we were in trouble with how hard the Suns were playing and how careless we looked on defense. Once we allowed them to get confidence early it was over. Although Elf was scoring early I though he played selfish because he wasn't getting anyone involved, it was individual plays. Idk maybe he felt his teammates were flat so he had to takeover. Either way I am tired of how soft and how easily pushed over this team is. How do you go 8 mins without scoring a single point against the worst defense in the league? Too nice guys, too many jello softies on this team.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I know EP was scoring early in the 1st but I knew we were in trouble with how hard the Suns were playing and how careless we looked on defense. Once we allowed them to get confidence early it was over. Although Elf was scoring early I though he played selfish because he wasn't getting anyone involved, it was individual plays. Idk maybe he felt his teammates were flat so he had to takeover. Either way I am tired of how soft and how easily pushed over this team is. How do you go 8 mins without scoring a single point against the worst defense in the league? Too nice guys, too many jello softies on this team.

Its because teams will let him shoot jumpers all day. That's why its so easy to beat this team. They could literally not guard him at all and they'd be fine.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

I know EP was scoring early in the 1st but I knew we were in trouble with how hard the Suns were playing and how careless we looked on defense. Once we allowed them to get confidence early it was over. Although Elf was scoring early I though he played selfish because he wasn't getting anyone involved, it was individual plays. Idk maybe he felt his teammates were flat so he had to takeover. Either way I am tired of how soft and how easily pushed over this team is. How do you go 8 mins without scoring a single point against the worst defense in the league? Too nice guys, too many jello softies on this team.

But didn't Payton have like 7 of his 11 assists by half time? I didn't think he was selfish at all.