Potential sleepers

[B-Ball Freak]

Derrick Jones Jr. is a stud, so explosive and smooth, it is a shame that he cant shoot, but man the guy is a walking highlight reel, no idea if will declare, but he definetely is a 1st rounder in this draft if he does.
There are a few guys like him that I have no idea if they will declare of not, it could make this Draft much more interesting.

Dude has BOUNCE, you think he might drop to late first?

[SelfishPlayer]

Anthony "Cat" Barber is starting to grow on me.

[treefi]

Derrick Jones Jr. is a stud, so explosive and smooth, it is a shame that he cant shoot, but man the guy is a walking highlight reel, no idea if will declare, but he definetely is a 1st rounder in this draft if he does.
There are a few guys like him that I have no idea if they will declare of not, it could make this Draft much more interesting.

Dude has BOUNCE, you think he might drop to late first?

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[BoyzNTheHood]

Ulis can play D, the only thing you are seeing is 5'9 and you are not even trying, he is a 1st round prospect in this Draft hands down.
Buddy Hield going top5 is a testament of people been lazy in terms of scouting or looking for prospects, there are easily 15 prospects better than him, and he is on par with 5-10 more, and I am only talking about the obvious calls.
But again, we are talking about people that barely consider international prospects in a draft that could've up to 15 international guys in the top40, so of course you are considering Hield in the top5.

Ulis cannot play D, he is 5'9" 160lbs. Who is he going to guard in the league?. He is not a 1st round prospect.

Buddy Hield potentially going top 5 has nothing to do with people being lazy, he is easily one of if not the best shooters in the draft, has an nba body which he can defend with, has the ability to slash, in this draft he will get looks very high because every team is looking for a player like that.

I have seen the international guys so dont give me that bs, I had Luwawau whom you love in my top 10 for my big board a year ago for the 2015 draft before you or anyone else were even on him. I have seen plenty of the international guys, I have seen Bender, Cornelie, Korkmaz, Qi, Hernangomez, Zipser, Cordinier, etc.

Ulis can play defense and anyone who watches him play can see it. Your claim about his height definitely puts you in the camp with Steph Curry doubters when he came out of Davidson, and Damian Lillard doubters because he came from a small school. Your knowledge of Ulis is severely lacking if you think he can't defend.

The fact that you project Hield top 5 is laughable. He's not even close to that level and any GM who picks him in the lottery will be sorry. He's at best a spot up shooter in the NBA. You're not alone though, big seasons have even proven professionals wrong, just look at Adam Morrison.

Also, you weren't alone on Luwawu, you can't even spell his name. During my RealGM stalking last year many people were high on Luwawu so don't come in here claiming like you know it all because you don't, nobody does.

[doordoor123]

Ulis can play D, the only thing you are seeing is 5'9 and you are not even trying, he is a 1st round prospect in this Draft hands down.
Buddy Hield going top5 is a testament of people been lazy in terms of scouting or looking for prospects, there are easily 15 prospects better than him, and he is on par with 5-10 more, and I am only talking about the obvious calls.
But again, we are talking about people that barely consider international prospects in a draft that could've up to 15 international guys in the top40, so of course you are considering Hield in the top5.

Ulis cannot play D, he is 5'9" 160lbs. Who is he going to guard in the league?. He is not a 1st round prospect.

Buddy Hield potentially going top 5 has nothing to do with people being lazy, he is easily one of if not the best shooters in the draft, has an nba body which he can defend with, has the ability to slash, in this draft he will get looks very high because every team is looking for a player like that.

I have seen the international guys so dont give me that bs, I had Luwawau whom you love in my top 10 for my big board a year ago for the 2015 draft before you or anyone else were even on him. I have seen plenty of the international guys, I have seen Bender, Cornelie, Korkmaz, Qi, Hernangomez, Zipser, Cordinier, etc.

Ulis can play defense and anyone who watches him play can see it. Your claim about his height definitely puts you in the camp with Steph Curry doubters when he came out of Davidson, and Damian Lillard doubters because he came from a small school. Your knowledge of Ulis is severely lacking if you think he can't defend.

The fact that you project Hield top 5 is laughable. He's not even close to that level and any GM who picks him in the lottery will be sorry. He's at best a spot up shooter in the NBA. You're not alone though, big seasons have even proven professionals wrong, just look at Adam Morrison.

Also, you weren't alone on Luwawu, you can't even spell his name. During my RealGM stalking last year many people were high on Luwawu so don't come in here claiming like you know it all because you don't, nobody does.

Everyone is high on Luwawu at some point. I'm not too high on him, but he's ideally the best wing with the most upside in the draft.

Having said that, Marquese Chriss is the most overlooked player. Someone as tall as he is and can defend the way he can, as well as his athleticism is really rare. I get so excited thinking about what he can become. He also finishes with contact and contorts his body in the air to finish. Love a guy that follows through.

[EMG518]

Ulis can play D, the only thing you are seeing is 5'9 and you are not even trying, he is a 1st round prospect in this Draft hands down.
Buddy Hield going top5 is a testament of people been lazy in terms of scouting or looking for prospects, there are easily 15 prospects better than him, and he is on par with 5-10 more, and I am only talking about the obvious calls.
But again, we are talking about people that barely consider international prospects in a draft that could've up to 15 international guys in the top40, so of course you are considering Hield in the top5.

Ulis cannot play D, he is 5'9" 160lbs. Who is he going to guard in the league?. He is not a 1st round prospect.

Buddy Hield potentially going top 5 has nothing to do with people being lazy, he is easily one of if not the best shooters in the draft, has an nba body which he can defend with, has the ability to slash, in this draft he will get looks very high because every team is looking for a player like that.

I have seen the international guys so dont give me that bs, I had Luwawau whom you love in my top 10 for my big board a year ago for the 2015 draft before you or anyone else were even on him. I have seen plenty of the international guys, I have seen Bender, Cornelie, Korkmaz, Qi, Hernangomez, Zipser, Cordinier, etc.

Ulis can play defense and anyone who watches him play can see it. Your claim about his height definitely puts you in the camp with Steph Curry doubters when he came out of Davidson, and Damian Lillard doubters because he came from a small school. Your knowledge of Ulis is severely lacking if you think he can't defend.

The fact that you project Hield top 5 is laughable. He's not even close to that level and any GM who picks him in the lottery will be sorry. He's at best a spot up shooter in the NBA. You're not alone though, big seasons have even proven professionals wrong, just look at Adam Morrison.

Also, you weren't alone on Luwawu, you can't even spell his name. During my RealGM stalking last year many people were high on Luwawu so don't come in here claiming like you know it all because you don't, nobody does.

I dont get why people always do this, lump people in with others when it literally has nothing to do with the topic being discussed. I never saw Steph play in college and I had Lillard near the top of my draft board and projected him as a future all star. It literally has nothing to do with what is being discussed, Curry is 6'3", Lillard is just shy of 6'3", and Ulis is 5'9". Can you name me one player that is 5'9" and 160lbs in the NBA right now?

I dont project Hield as top 5, I think he could potentially go that high and undoubtedly is a lottery pick. You literally just told me not to come in here acting like I know it all because nobody does while simultaneously telling me exactly what Buddy Hield is, hypocritical much?

I cant spell his name because I miss typed 1 letter one time while writing his name, ok, that takes away from what I said. You might be right, alot of people may have been high on Luwawu but as far as I saw I was one of if not the first one on this board and way before the mock draft sites. I had him lottery last draft.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Ulis cannot play D, he is 5'9" 160lbs. Who is he going to guard in the league?. He is not a 1st round prospect.

Buddy Hield potentially going top 5 has nothing to do with people being lazy, he is easily one of if not the best shooters in the draft, has an nba body which he can defend with, has the ability to slash, in this draft he will get looks very high because every team is looking for a player like that.

I have seen the international guys so dont give me that bs, I had Luwawau whom you love in my top 10 for my big board a year ago for the 2015 draft before you or anyone else were even on him. I have seen plenty of the international guys, I have seen Bender, Cornelie, Korkmaz, Qi, Hernangomez, Zipser, Cordinier, etc.

Ulis can play defense and anyone who watches him play can see it. Your claim about his height definitely puts you in the camp with Steph Curry doubters when he came out of Davidson, and Damian Lillard doubters because he came from a small school. Your knowledge of Ulis is severely lacking if you think he can't defend.

The fact that you project Hield top 5 is laughable. He's not even close to that level and any GM who picks him in the lottery will be sorry. He's at best a spot up shooter in the NBA. You're not alone though, big seasons have even proven professionals wrong, just look at Adam Morrison.

Also, you weren't alone on Luwawu, you can't even spell his name. During my RealGM stalking last year many people were high on Luwawu so don't come in here claiming like you know it all because you don't, nobody does.

I dont get why people always do this, lump people in with others when it literally has nothing to do with the topic being discussed. I never saw Steph play in college and I had Lillard near the top of my draft board and projected him as a future all star. It literally has nothing to do with what is being discussed, Curry is 6'3", Lillard is just shy of 6'3", and Ulis is 5'9". Can you name me one player that is 5'9" and 160lbs in the NBA right now?

It has a lot to do with the topic because you're doubting Ulis just like you doubted Curry and Lillard. Disclaimer: Nobody is saying that Ulis will be on the level of Curry or Lillard. However, Ulis has the game to be successful in the NBA. You think because he's 5'9 that he can't do it. Well, who thought that little Steph Curry would change the league? It's because of people like you that Isaiah Thomas fell to 60th and is now an all-star; the doubters.

I dont project Hield as top 5, I think he could potentially go that high and undoubtedly is a lottery pick. You literally just told me not to come in here acting like I know it all because nobody does while simultaneously telling me exactly what Buddy Hield is, hypocritical much?

Did I say "exactly" what Buddy Hield is? If you read what I wrote you'd rescind that comment. I said he's a spot up shooter "at best". That statement is not exact by any means. In fact, it's very vague as all it does is give him a ceiling.

I cant spell his name because I miss typed 1 letter one time while writing his name, ok, that takes away from what I said. You might be right, alot of people may have been high on Luwawu but as far as I saw I was one of if not the first one on this board and way before the mock draft sites. I had him lottery last draft.

You claim to know it all about Luwawu but can't spell his name, ok. Either way, having him in the lottery last draft wasn't early. He was projected as a 2nd rounder based on where he was last year. However, a ton of people had him as a lotto pick if he waited a year.

[doordoor123]

Ulis can play defense and anyone who watches him play can see it. Your claim about his height definitely puts you in the camp with Steph Curry doubters when he came out of Davidson, and Damian Lillard doubters because he came from a small school. Your knowledge of Ulis is severely lacking if you think he can't defend.

The fact that you project Hield top 5 is laughable. He's not even close to that level and any GM who picks him in the lottery will be sorry. He's at best a spot up shooter in the NBA. You're not alone though, big seasons have even proven professionals wrong, just look at Adam Morrison.

Also, you weren't alone on Luwawu, you can't even spell his name. During my RealGM stalking last year many people were high on Luwawu so don't come in here claiming like you know it all because you don't, nobody does.

I dont get why people always do this, lump people in with others when it literally has nothing to do with the topic being discussed. I never saw Steph play in college and I had Lillard near the top of my draft board and projected him as a future all star. It literally has nothing to do with what is being discussed, Curry is 6'3", Lillard is just shy of 6'3", and Ulis is 5'9". Can you name me one player that is 5'9" and 160lbs in the NBA right now?

It has a lot to do with the topic because you're doubting Ulis just like you doubted Curry and Lillard. Disclaimer: Nobody is saying that Ulis will be on the level of Curry or Lillard. However, Ulis has the game to be successful in the NBA. You think because he's 5'9 that he can't do it. Well, who thought that little Steph Curry would change the league? It's because of people like you that Isaiah Thomas fell to 60th and is now an all-star; the doubters.

I dont project Hield as top 5, I think he could potentially go that high and undoubtedly is a lottery pick. You literally just told me not to come in here acting like I know it all because nobody does while simultaneously telling me exactly what Buddy Hield is, hypocritical much?

Did I say "exactly" what Buddy Hield is? If you read what I wrote you'd rescind that comment. I said he's a spot up shooter "at best". That statement is not exact by any means. In fact, it's very vague as all it does is give him a ceiling.

I cant spell his name because I miss typed 1 letter one time while writing his name, ok, that takes away from what I said. You might be right, alot of people may have been high on Luwawu but as far as I saw I was one of if not the first one on this board and way before the mock draft sites. I had him lottery last draft.

You claim to know it all about Luwawu but can't spell his name, ok. Either way, having him in the lottery last draft wasn't early. He was projected as a 2nd rounder based on where he was last year. However, a ton of people had him as a lotto pick if he waited a year.

I've come to realize you just like to argue with people.

[bwgood77]

Having said that, Marquese Chriss is the most overlooked player. Someone as tall as he is and can defend the way he can, as well as his athleticism is really rare. I get so excited thinking about what he can become. He also finishes with contact and contorts his body in the air to finish. Love a guy that follows through.

I hope the Suns take Chriss with their Washington pick in the early to mid teens. I'd be happy if they come away with him and Bender.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I dont get why people always do this, lump people in with others when it literally has nothing to do with the topic being discussed. I never saw Steph play in college and I had Lillard near the top of my draft board and projected him as a future all star. It literally has nothing to do with what is being discussed, Curry is 6'3", Lillard is just shy of 6'3", and Ulis is 5'9". Can you name me one player that is 5'9" and 160lbs in the NBA right now?

It has a lot to do with the topic because you're doubting Ulis just like you doubted Curry and Lillard. Disclaimer: Nobody is saying that Ulis will be on the level of Curry or Lillard. However, Ulis has the game to be successful in the NBA. You think because he's 5'9 that he can't do it. Well, who thought that little Steph Curry would change the league? It's because of people like you that Isaiah Thomas fell to 60th and is now an all-star; the doubters.

I dont project Hield as top 5, I think he could potentially go that high and undoubtedly is a lottery pick. You literally just told me not to come in here acting like I know it all because nobody does while simultaneously telling me exactly what Buddy Hield is, hypocritical much?

Did I say "exactly" what Buddy Hield is? If you read what I wrote you'd rescind that comment. I said he's a spot up shooter "at best". That statement is not exact by any means. In fact, it's very vague as all it does is give him a ceiling.

I cant spell his name because I miss typed 1 letter one time while writing his name, ok, that takes away from what I said. You might be right, alot of people may have been high on Luwawu but as far as I saw I was one of if not the first one on this board and way before the mock draft sites. I had him lottery last draft.

You claim to know it all about Luwawu but can't spell his name, ok. Either way, having him in the lottery last draft wasn't early. He was projected as a 2nd rounder based on where he was last year. However, a ton of people had him as a lotto pick if he waited a year.

I've come to realize you just like to argue with people.

So you realized this before or after you decided to quote me on a discussion that I was having with another poster to talk trash?

[Ruzious]

Ok guys - let's cool down - you're both normally good posters. Time to take a break from this discussion.

[Dr Positivity]

Ron Baker is an old white mid major player so understandably the NBA isn't giving him much attention. He is however showing up very strongly in my statistical system. Here is how his per 40 numbers compare to some mid majors as of late:

Baker: 17.7 pt, .59 TS, 6.0 reb, 4.0 ast, 2.0 stl, 0.8 blk

George: 19.9 pt, .58 TS, 8.6 reb, 3.7 ast, 2.6 stl, 1.0 blk
Lillard: 27.6 pt, .57 TS, 5.4 reb, 4.6 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.3 blk
McCollum: 30.9 pt, .63 TS, 6.5 reb, 3.8 ast, 1.8 stl, 0.4 blk
Stuckey: 29.5 pt, .57 TS, 5.8 reb, 6.6 ast, 2.9 stl, 0.4 blk
Elfrid Payton: 21.0 pt, .54 TS, 6.4 reb, 6.1 ast, 2.5 stl, 0.6 blk

It appears scoring is a number to watch out for in terms of mid major inflation. Baker's number is thus a weakness especially considering his age. However in the rebounding, assists, steals, blocks categories I don't know of those mid major comparisons are doing more than better than they would have at a bigger program. Former Wichita State pick Cleanthony Early as a comparison also follows in line with this, as he put up 23.7 pt, .63 TS, 8.7 reb, 1.0 ast, 1.1 stl, 1.2 blk per 40 his last year there. While his scoring numbers were awesome, in reb, ast, stls and blks, playing in a mid major did not help him escape mediocre stats for a SF/PF. Therefore when Baker performs well in reb/ast/stl/blk it may be pretty legit.

The median per 40 rate of my simple list of SGs successes lately in Harden, Wade, Derozan, Klay, Butler, Thompson, McCollum, Matthews, KMart is 1.85 steals, 0.4 blocks, 6.75 rebounds, 3.35 assists. So Baker rates above average in steals, blocks and assists and isn't brutally bad in rebounds compared to that list. Of that group he has the 3rd best steal rate (behind Wade and Martin), 3rd best block rate (behind Wade and Thompson) and 4th best assist rate (behind Wade, Harden and Thompson). His statline is overall most comparable to Thompson who put up 1.9 steals, 1.1 blocks, 4.3 assists, 6.0 rebounds per 40.

Mind you, Baker's scoring numbers for his age and conference shouldn't just be ignored either, and is a weakness.

As for whether he has the talent. He is a good 3pt shooter, has very solid length/strength for a 2, has basketball IQ and doesn't play like he's unathletic. In addition to his defensive stats, his FT rate for his FGA is pretty solid. Like Denzel Valentine, being skilled and smart is a talent. It's why you could argue Dellavedova has more talent than Bennett

[NuggetsWY]

Ok guys - let's cool down - you're both normally good posters. Time to take a break from this discussion.

Emotions can run high on this topic; probably because there are a lot of long shots and everyone has "their man" that they absolutely believe in. But you gotta admit, some statements (not necessarily the conversation your post came from, but not excluding it) - some statements can be rather hilarious.

[Justwar]

Hield is Jodie meeks with the benefit of a sr year. Great college player nice role nba player. And ulis puts tremendous ball pressure size doesn't matter because you don't have hand checking in the nba. Pg defense doesn't almost matter anymore because they took anyway physical contact. But ulis has that confidence to give enough effort to not let size be a factor, besides no one at pg posts up anyways.

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

To say Hield is nothing more than a role player is ridiculous. He's a 47% 3pt shooter on 8 attempts a game, first option on offense for his team, he finishes well around the rim, he runs the break more than fast enough. He will be a 20ppg scorer in the NBA.

[Justwar]

You must not remember how good Jodie meeks was in college without the benefit of a sr year.

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

I think his numbers are closer to CJ McCollum. and I think his dribble is better now than people give him credit for.

[EMG518]

Hield is Jodie meeks with the benefit of a sr year. Great college player nice role nba player. And ulis puts tremendous ball pressure size doesn't matter because you don't have hand checking in the nba. Pg defense doesn't almost matter anymore because they took anyway physical contact. But ulis has that confidence to give enough effort to not let size be a factor, besides no one at pg posts up anyways.

Hield is bigger, faster, more explosive, and alot longer, those things make a difference at the next level. All I am going to say on that. As far as Ulis goes, 5'9", 160 lbs, you cant name 1 player in the league that size. You want to throw out Isaiah Thomas like im sure many of his supporters would, he is more explosive than Ulis, slightly taller and has 25lbs on him.

[BoyzNTheHood]

DeAndre Bembry is my sleeper. He's going for 17/8/5 on 47% from the field with a steal to boot. He's a versatile wing player who pretty much does it all for his team. His biggest weakness is his long range shooting since he only makes 27% from deep, but I think he can pattern his game after Larry Hughes to be successful in the NBA.

[Justwar]

Hield is Jodie meeks with the benefit of a sr year. Great college player nice role nba player. And ulis puts tremendous ball pressure size doesn't matter because you don't have hand checking in the nba. Pg defense doesn't almost matter anymore because they took anyway physical contact. But ulis has that confidence to give enough effort to not let size be a factor, besides no one at pg posts up anyways.

Hield is bigger, faster, more explosive, and alot longer, those things make a difference at the next level. All I am going to say on that. As far as Ulis goes, 5'9", 160 lbs, you cant name 1 player in the league that size. You want to throw out Isaiah Thomas like im sure many of his supporters would, he is more explosive than Ulis, slightly taller and has 25lbs on him.

Meeks was just as athletic. Same height, i don't know about wingspan because I haven't looked but people are forgetting he put up 54 as a jr. And ulis has the same measurables as Thomas except weight.